For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[Hamster]

Let's add a little bit to this, if this is as you say, daily eucharist, don't you think it a little strange that these folks, who were devout Jews the day before, were suddenly renouncing the Passover and eating Wonder bread and drinking Welch's grape juice? They were there to keep the Feast...

Lev 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Lev 23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

If you want to take this as the prescribed method for the N.T. church, would you comply with this...

Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

do you believe that Christ wants us to sell all and put it in the pot and live in communism




The Church break bread on the first day of the week, not daily! Verse 42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. Acts 20:7. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread. No, we are to lay by in store for the needed saints as we are prospered upon the first day of the week. have you ever wondered, why, first day of the week to lay by in store? You think they may have been coming together upon the first day of the week to break bread, and that was convenience for them to lay by in store.

 

[john832]

Let's add a little bit to this, if this is as you say, daily eucharist, don't you think it a little strange that these folks, who were devout Jews the day before, were suddenly renouncing the Passover and eating Wonder bread and drinking Welch's grape juice? They were there to keep the Feast...

Lev 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Lev 23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

If you want to take this as the prescribed method for the N.T. church, would you comply with this...

Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

do you believe that Christ wants us to sell all and put it in the pot and live in communism




The Church break bread on the first day of the week, not daily! Verse 42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. Acts 20:7. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread. No, we are to lay by in store for the needed saints as we are prospered upon the first day of the week. have you ever wondered, why, first day of the week to lay by in store? You think they may have been coming together upon the first day of the week to break bread, and that was convenience for them to lay by in store.

Acts 20:7 again? First of all, there are three scriptures that every young graduate from seminary learns to arm themselves when questioned about the Sabbath: Acts 20:7, I Cor 16:2 and Rev 1:10. I will start with Acts 20:7 (I really ought to save this so I don't have to redo it every other day)...

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

First day of the week? Let's see what it really says...

The word for "first" here is...

G3391
μία
mia
mee'-ah
Irregular feminine of G1520; one or first: - a (certain), + agree, first, one, X other.

And it means first.

Notice the word "day" is italicized? From Why Do Many Bibles Show Some Words in Italics?

Italicized words were first used in 1560 when an edition of the Bible, known as the Geneva Bible, appeared. This Bible had been prepared by the Protestant reformers in Geneva and was translated directly from the original Hebrew and Greek. In it, there were words that had to be added in English to make the meaning plain, although they were not necessary in the original idioms. No language can be translated word for word. The translators, then, distinguished such necessarily added words by italicizing them. The Geneva Bible became the most popular Bible of its time.

In most cases, italicized words clarify the meaning of certain phrases. However, because these translators were not necessarily inspired by God in their work (though some would claim so), they made mistakes.

The word day was not in the original manuscripts.

The word "of the" come from...

G3588
ὁ, ἡ, τό
ho hē to
ho, hay, to
The masculine, feminine (second) and neuter (third) forms, in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.

Means "of the"

Now here is the interesting translation, the word for week is...

G4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

Means Sabbath.

Here is how the Diaglott renders Acts 20:7...

Act 20:7 In and the first of the sabbaths, having been assembled of us to break bread, the Paul discoursed to them, being about to depart on the morrow; continued and the discourse till midnight.

And here is Dr. Buillinger's take on it from his Companion Bible...

Acts 20:7


first, &c. = first day of the sabbaths, i.e. the first day for reckoning the seven sabbaths to Pentecost. It depended upon the harvest (Deu_16:9), and was always from the morrow after the weekly sabbath when the wave sheaf was presented (Lev_23:15). In Joh_20:1 this was the fourth day after the Crucifixion, "the Lord's Passover. "Compare App-156. This was by Divine ordering. But in A.D. 57 it was twelve days after the week of unleavened bread, and therefore more than a fortnight later than in A.D. 29.

Counting seven Sabbaths comes from this...

Lev 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Lev 23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

And is how Pentecost is counted. This was the first of seven SAbbaths and Paul preached a long time...

Act 20:9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.

 

[john832]

Guess what Paul did the next day, the first day of the week? He walked 19 miles across the peninsula to meet the others at Assos...

Act 20:11 When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed.
Act 20:12 And they brought the young man alive, and were not a little comforted.
Act 20:13 And we went before to ship, and sailed unto Assos, there intending to take in Paul: for so had he appointed, minding himself to go afoot.
Act 20:14 And when he met with us at Assos, we took him in, and came to Mitylene.

He left for Assos after daybreak and walked 19 miles. That is how he kept the first day of the week.

 

[Hamster]

Let's add a little bit to this, if this is as you say, daily eucharist, don't you think it a little strange that these folks, who were devout Jews the day before, were suddenly renouncing the Passover and eating Wonder bread and drinking Welch's grape juice? They were there to keep the Feast...

Lev 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Lev 23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

If you want to take this as the prescribed method for the N.T. church, would you comply with this...

Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

do you believe that Christ wants us to sell all and put it in the pot and live in communism?

If the Church was going to keep the feast of the passover with the Jews who did not accept Christ, why were they afraid of the Jews? John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

 

[Hizikyah]

If the Church was going to keep the feast of the passover with the Jews who did not accept Christ, why were they afraid of the Jews? John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

very Constintinian to say in that manner, Passover IS the TRUE celebration of the work of the Messiah set forth by Yahweh, just because there are Jewish people who dont see that does not nullify Yahweh's plan or Holy days.

1Corinthians 5:7-8, "Therefore, purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new batch, since you are unleavened. For truly Yahshua our Passover was sacrificed for us. Therefore, let us keep the Feast, not with bold leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."

 

[john832]

If the Church was going to keep the feast of the passover with the Jews who did not accept Christ, why were they afraid of the Jews? John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Well why don't you tell me what days they were keeping here?


1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

is this xmas or Ishtar?

 

[Hamster]

Acts 20:7 again? First of all, there are three scriptures that every young graduate from seminary learns to arm themselves when questioned about the Sabbath: Acts 20:7, I Cor 16:2 and Rev 1:10. I will start with Acts 20:7 (I really ought to save this so I don't have to redo it every other day)...

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

First day of the week? Let's see what it really says...

The word for "first" here is...

G3391
μία
mia
mee'-ah
Irregular feminine of G1520; one or first: - a (certain), + agree, first, one, X other.

And it means first.

Notice the word "day" is italicized? From Why Do Many Bibles Show Some Words in Italics?

Italicized words were first used in 1560 when an edition of the Bible, known as the Geneva Bible, appeared. This Bible had been prepared by the Protestant reformers in Geneva and was translated directly from the original Hebrew and Greek. In it, there were words that had to be added in English to make the meaning plain, although they were not necessary in the original idioms. No language can be translated word for word. The translators, then, distinguished such necessarily added words by italicizing them. The Geneva Bible became the most popular Bible of its time.

In most cases, italicized words clarify the meaning of certain phrases. However, because these translators were not necessarily inspired by God in their work (though some would claim so), they made mistakes.

The word day was not in the original manuscripts.

The word "of the" come from...

G3588
ὁ, ἡ, τό
ho hē to
ho, hay, to
The masculine, feminine (second) and neuter (third) forms, in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.

Means "of the"

Now here is the interesting translation, the word for week is...

G4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

Means Sabbath.

Here is how the Diaglott renders Acts 20:7...

Act 20:7 In and the first of the sabbaths, having been assembled of us to break bread, the Paul discoursed to them, being about to depart on the morrow; continued and the discourse till midnight.

And here is Dr. Buillinger's take on it from his Companion Bible...

Acts 20:7


first, &c. = first day of the sabbaths, i.e. the first day for reckoning the seven sabbaths to Pentecost. It depended upon the harvest (Deu_16:9), and was always from the morrow after the weekly sabbath when the wave sheaf was presented (Lev_23:15). In Joh_20:1 this was the fourth day after the Crucifixion, "the Lord's Passover. "Compare App-156. This was by Divine ordering. But in A.D. 57 it was twelve days after the week of unleavened bread, and therefore more than a fortnight later than in A.D. 29.

Counting seven Sabbaths comes from this...

Lev 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Lev 23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

And is how Pentecost is counted. This was the first of seven SAbbaths and Paul preached a long time...

Act 20:9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.

Let me add some more scriptures to your collection. Matt.26:29 Jesus said he would not drink of the fruit of the vine with his disciples, until that day when he drink it "new" with them in his Father's kingdom. Friend what day did Christ raised from the dead? Was it not the first day of the week? Acts 11:40,41 God raised his son on the third day which was the first day of the week and he showed him openly unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to those he ate and drink with after he rose from the dead. Was Christ in his Father's Kingdom? Are you going to answer some of my questions? hmmmm

 

[john832]

Let me add some more scriptures to your collection. Matt.26:29 Jesus said he would not drink of the fruit of the vine with his disciples, until that day when he drink it "new" with them in his Father's kingdom. Friend what day did Christ raised from the dead? Was it not the first day of the week? Acts 11:40,41 God raised his son on the third day which was the first day of the week and he showed him openly unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to those he ate and drink with after he rose from the dead. Was Christ in his Father's Kingdom? Are you going to answer some of my questions? hmmmm

Uh, He was crucified on the Passover, Wednesday, April 25, 31AD. Now count three days and three night from Wednesday, just before sunset. Wednesday night + Thursday day + Thursday night + Friday day + Friday night + Saturday day = His resurrection at/around sunset Saturday afternoon. He arose on the Sabbath, that is unless you can count three days and three nights from Friday sunset until before dawn on Sunday. Shoot, my seven year old grandson has no trouble with this math.

 

[Hamster]

John, are you saying that the Sabbath and the first day of the week are one of the same?

 

[john832]

John, are you saying that the Sabbath and the first day of the week are one of the same?

Of course not, why don't you show me where the scripture says He was raised on the first day of the week?

 

[Hamster]

Uh, He was crucified on the Passover, Wednesday, April 25, 31AD. Now count three days and three night from Wednesday, just before sunset. Wednesday night + Thursday day + Thursday night + Friday day + Friday night + Saturday day = His resurrection at/around sunset Saturday afternoon. He arose on the Sabbath, that is unless you can count three days and three nights from Friday sunset until before dawn on Sunday. Shoot, my seven year old grandson has no trouble with this math.

Where do you get those ideals of yours? Why do you think he rose on the Sabbath?

 

[john832]

Where do you get those ideals of yours? Why do you think he rose on the Sabbath?

Because I can count, can you?

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Now show me three days and three nights from Friday sunset to Sunday morning before dawn.

 

[Hizikyah]

Uh, He was crucified on the Passover, Wednesday, April 25, 31AD. Now count three days and three night from Wednesday, just before sunset. Wednesday night + Thursday day + Thursday night + Friday day + Friday night + Saturday day = His resurrection at/around sunset Saturday afternoon. He arose on the Sabbath, that is unless you can count three days and three nights from Friday sunset until before dawn on Sunday. Shoot, my seven year old grandson has no trouble with this math.

and the Feast of Yahweh called the FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS is the celebration of this resurrection the way Yahweh says.

not Ishtar sunday. (Isatar was a babylonian fertility goddess.....celebrated with eggs and bunnies, ishtar aka easter)

Resurrection - YouTube

1 Corinthians 15:20, "But the fact is that Messiah has been raised from the dead, and has become the firstfruits recalled to life of those who have fallen asleep."

Shaul understood this very well.

 

[Hamster]

Of course not, why don't you show me where the scripture says He was raised on the first day of the week?

Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

 

[john832]

Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Past tense, He was risen. In the past...

Joh 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

OK, still dark.

Joh 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

Why did she say this? He was already gone!

 

[Hizikyah]

satans puppet constantine the pitiful has sure done a number on the minds of the people...

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."
"Times" is word # 2166 - Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar - 1) a set time, time, season

Daniyl 8:12, "And a host was given him against the daily by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and succeeded."

 

[2Thewaters]

Jonah wasnt in the belly the whole three days and nights either,
as Jonah was
so was Jesus

he was in there three different day night periods of time
then it fits.

Jonah was swallowed in the afternoon friday and spit out on sunday morning before sunup

 

[2Thewaters]

Not a big deal

we have to look at all the verses

Jacob traveled three days to labans house

you know it did not mean three twenty four hour periods because people dont travel in the dark.

But not worth worrying about

Wht we do know is like Jonah stayed in the whale so did Jesu

so if Jonah was swallowed in afternoon friday (liekly, as storms happen in afternoon) and was spit out sunday morning than were good
the simplest answer is the right one.

 

[Hizikyah]

Jonah wasnt in the belly the whole three days and nights either,
as Jonah was
so was Jesus

he was in there three different day night periods of time
then it fits.

Jonah was swallowed in the afternoon friday and spit out on sunday morning before sunup

do the math, even if thats true which its not and you can not prove it Scriptually, that is still only 3 days and 2 nights, AT BEST, only parts of them....

 

[2Thewaters]

It is nothing we need to prove scripturally it makes no difference