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Yes, God can't die. Jesus' Godhead did not die in the usual sense but his godhead experienced death in so far much as a human can. Sorry for the confusion. I was still getting my head around this new term.
Can deity die?
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Well then I guess He didn't really die for your sins then, did He? He just shed His skin.
It was the flesh that was fashioned for the purpose of death. This was the prepared sacrifice. "Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says, SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME;" Heb. 10:5.
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verse 9 says "He follows my decrees and faithfully keeps my laws. that man is righteous; he will surely live."
or, verse 19 "since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live."
or, verse 21 "But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right , that person will surely live; they will not die."
or, verse 32 "For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!"
just off the top of my head.
John, I don't think those verses you quoted are saying what you think they're saying.
it's a wonder what context does for understanding.
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if Jesus died, and was unconscious or non-existent in the the grave, then how did he raise himself from the dead? just asking...
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Because he wanted one more slice of pizza, knowing that once he ascends into Heaven, he won't be able to eat food ever again.
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It can also be said that since Jesus is God, he may allow himself to die then resurrect in order to fulfill the prophesies and God's divine plan.
So, I read this. Thank you. I'm wondering if I should share my thoughts. Maybe on a few points. I find your thoughts to be fair at accessing theological philosophy. I liked the part (my smiling caused me to stop typing) I like the part about the flower. I love flowers. I had the thought from a poem, by Rumi I think, "the essence of a rose is in the thorn." I do not require the word essence, yeah seems misplaced. I do however prefer the word use personage over person. I highly dislike using references of subordination. When I first believed, it was simply like this- "God is"
It's late for me, but I want to say I don't view God in a particular order so to speak, when I approach Him He is just one and He just is, sure I cry to Him as my father, I depend on Him as my Savior and I lean on Him as my Teacher. I am speaking in thought over your bit about three distinct functions. The Father raised the Son. The Holy Spirit prays for us. I just had these thoughts as I read your write up, but I didn't spend much time with your thoughts, so what I am sharing are on the spur of moment, even premature or just maybe plainly pure honest thoughts. Good night
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Addition to post #90^
When Jesus was at the Passover meal, he already knew that Judas would betray him. When Jesus prayed three times in the garden, he knew perfectly well that he was to be arrested. Christ didn't try to pack his bags and flee before Judas and the army of ungodly authorities came to arrest him. He understood that it was for the good of all mankind.
He let himself die for a time. His physical body died for a time, and God, in his infinite power, resurrected it, and after Jesus remained on Earth for 40 days to give his final instructions to the faithful, he ascended into Heaven.
In the end, Jesus didn't truly die. He resurrected from the dead, then his physical body as well as his spiritual soul ascended into Heaven.
^Any loopholes? Please bring them forward.
^You know what? After reading this post a bit more, I feel that I'm not explaining my point correctly.
When Jesus was at the Passover meal, he already knew that Judas would betray him. When Jesus prayed three times in the garden, he knew perfectly well that he was to be arrested. Christ didn't try to pack his bags and flee before Judas and the army of ungodly authorities came to arrest him. He understood that it was for the good of all mankind.
He let himself die for a time. His physical body died for a time, and God, in his infinite power, resurrected it, and after Jesus remained on Earth for 40 days to give his final instructions to the faithful, he ascended into Heaven.
In the end, Jesus didn't truly die. He resurrected from the dead, then his physical body as well as his spiritual soul ascended into Heaven.
^Any loopholes? Please bring them forward.
^You know what? After reading this post a bit more, I feel that I'm not explaining my point correctly.
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third section ---> *In the end Jesus's death weren't permanent* ..*yes he did die, but he came back, so he's not dead anymore*
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Okay, I was just wondering.
I'm awful with vocabulary and have to make it a point to learn new words.
I just wanted to admit my ignorance because sometimes that is the only way we can begin to learn the wisdom God wants us to know. anyway, my kids just woke up and we have to get ready for school.
This thread should be interesting to read.
as for the guy who wants me to "prove my point/stance" or whatever.... if you had read my post, you would notice I did not post a stance at all but a question asking for clarification on the definition and usage of the term: "Hypostatic union"
after looking it up, I do believe the majority of pastors I have encountered do preach the doctrine even if they never use those two words.
The concept of how Jesus can be both fully man and fully God is a complex one to explain in words. I'm interested to see how the members of CC manage.
The reason the bible doesn't even try to explain it "in words" is because it's total garbage.The concept of how Jesus can be both fully man and fully God is a complex one to explain in words. I'm interested to see how the members of CC manage.
The hypo-static union is man-invented philosophy of the most despicable kind.
Rom 5:15 "But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many."
Gal 5:10 "The one who is throwing you into confusion, whoever that may be, will have to pay the penalty."
The whole point. Without His resurrection, we would be toast, literally.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
...............aw gee............it seems while God is not the Author of confusion, the Jehovah Witness "abound" in confusion....
Jesus begs to disagree with you brother........
John 10:17) Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 .) No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
(just saying.............)
May be this verse will clarify the situation.
Jud 1:10 "Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them."
Matt 13;15 "For this people's heart is waxed gross, And their ears are dull of hearing, And their eyes they have closed; "