How to know if you are sealed

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2Thewaters

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many people will be surprised at the judgment

Luke 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Luke 13:26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.


Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Luke 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will show you to whom he is like:
Luke 6:48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.


Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that (break the commandments).

so the answer is to daily be born again
and walk in the truth of the Word
he will uphold you
 
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2Thewaters

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If you are doing something not in the bible
just say I am sorry Jesus
give me power to change
and stop doing it
simple
move on to the next bible verse/
 

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Colossians 2
16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
olossians 2:16-23, "16Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths, 17which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body [is] of the Christ; 18let no one beguile you of your prize, delighting in humble-mindedness and [in] worship of the messengers, intruding into the things he hath not seen, being vainly puffed up by the mind of his flesh, 19and not holding the head, from which all the body — through the joints and bands gathering supply, and being knit together — may increase with the increase of God.20If, then, ye did die with the Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances? 21— thou mayest not touch, nor taste, nor handle — 22which are all for destruction with the using, after the commands and teachings of men, 23which are, indeed, having a matter of wisdom in will-worship, and humble-mindedness, and neglecting of body — not in any honour, unto a satisfying of the flesh."

I think we have v16 down, I want to focus on 20-23, as to see context. Shaul (Paul) in nearly all his thoughts talks about a topic and then goes on to explain, he uses an advanced style of writing as his (worldly) education was beyond that of the other NT writers.

20If, then, ye did die with the Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances?

So he is saying if your dead to the world why would you subject yourself to its (the worlds) ordinances. To think he is saying if your dead to the world then why would you subject yourself to Yahweh"s/Yahshua's Commandments would make no sense, but he explains it further.

21— thou mayest not touch, nor taste, nor handle

the pharisees had a law in which you could not eat meat and cheese togather, or even within 4 houhs of eachother. Now this is not in Yahweh's Law even, Yahweh's Law says dont boil a child in its mothers milk (3 times) (the local pagans had this as a religious practice Yahweh did not want His people to partake in these evil pagan practices) the pharisees using something called "midrashic interpretation" the pharisees looked at it and said well since it says this three times it must meant three different things. SO THEY MADE UP THEIR OWN LAW, that was completely disconnected from Scripture and enforced it as from Yahweh.

22which are all for destruction with the using, after the commands and teachings of men,

So here very clearly he states "the commandments of men", now if you read from 16-20 you see he stays on topic, and 20 says basically if your dead to the world why do what the world tells you, so we can see he is still on this topic from v16. In this verse 22, he says "which are all for destruction", how does Sabbath lead to destruction and it would also have to be a "commandment of men" if there is ant commandment that is the farthest thing possible from being a "commandment of men" it is the Sabbath, it was from creation and it shows the AUTHORITY of the Creator, the mark of the Creator. Also tying a "commandment of men" to destruction Romans 8:13, "For if you live according to the commandments of men, you will die; but if, through the Spirit, you put to death; put an end to, the evildoing of mankind, you will live."

23which are, indeed, having a matter of wisdom in will-worship, and humble-mindedness, and neglecting of body — not in any honour, unto a satisfying of the flesh.

Pleasing of the pharisees by following the talmud. v22 for context = "after the commands and teachings of men"

you see the pharisees would have a problem if you did things according to Yahweh's instruction and not their ORAL LAW, this is shown in MATT 15, 23, mark 7:7-9, etc

If you kept the Sabbath NOT according to the Talmud but according to the Scriptures the Pharisees would have a problem.

Matt 12:10 & 12, "And, behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. Then they asked
Him, saying; Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath Days?--so that they might accuse Him."
"And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

The "Rabbis" also made their own holidays, Haunnaka and Rosh hashanna and more. when they left babylon they even changed the names of the moons (months), and rosh hashanna even changes the time of the new year, commandment and ordinances of men. the calendar Yahweh instuted is Yahweh's calendar, the one who created it created the heavens and the earth. Our current calendar is the gregorian calendar, which goes back to the bablonian calendar. Yahweh said the days end and begin at sunset, not the "Rabbis."

% made up "feast days" the Pharisees may had, brought you to trial, beat, imprisoned, or even killed you for not honoring. The Talmud tells a story of another "Rabbi" disagreeing and wanting to follow the Scriptures, and the head Pharisees makes then man, on threat of death appear in public on a Scriptual Feast Day in a way that the man cant honor Yahweh, thus commanding him to disobey Yahweh.

Rosh Hashanah (New Year)
Rosh Hashanah occurs on the first and second days of Tishri (the 7th moon or month, Yahweh's year starts in the 1st month). In Hebrew, Rosh Hashanah means, literally, "head of the year" or "first of the year." Rosh Hashanah is commonly known as the Jewish New Year.

How does the year start in the 7th month? According to the Scriptures and Yahweh;s calendar the year starts in the 1st month, Abib.

Chanukkah
On the 25th of Kislev are the days of Chanukkah, which are eight... these were appointed a Festival with Hallel [prayers of praise] and thanksgiving. -Shabbat 21b, Babylonian Talmud

Tu B'Shevat
There are four new years... the first of Shevat is the new year for trees according to the ruling of Beit Shammai; Beit Hillel, however, places it on the fifteenth of that month. -Mishnah Rosh Hashanah 1:1

Purim
Is one of the most joyous and fun holidays on the Jewish calendar. It commemorates a time when the Jewish people living in Persia were saved from extermination.

Tisha B'Av
Five misfortunes befell our fathers ... on the ninth of Av. ...On the ninth of Av it was decreed that our fathers should not enter the [Promised] Land, the Temple was destroyed the first and second time, Bethar was captured and the city [Jerusalem] was ploughed up. -Mishnah Ta'anit 4:6
 

notuptome

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Romans 8:16 The Spirit Himself witnesseth with our spirit that are the children of God.

For the cause of Christ
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stonesoffire

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Before I say another word, I want to clarify I am not saying it is ok to sin.

We can see through the scriptures what the obedience is to receive Holy Spirit, by looking at the disobedient.

Eph 2:1
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3
Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

The disobedient are not born from above. They are still natural men, without regeneration. So when we receive Jesus or the gospel of salvation through His death and resurrection, we are receiving the Light of the world within our very inner being. Called the "heart" in scripture. What was once darkness, is now light.

This is the foundation of our faith. The first step. The first level. The second would be Pentecost, second level, giftings of Holy Spirit. The third level is fulness. The rooftop when there is nothing between you and your God....a level of maturity, no stumbling...warfare is over. Until we reach this place, we are battling the flesh, the enemy, and the world spirit.

The seal is the Kings favor for receiving His Son. It's viewed as the same thing when a letter is sent from the King, and He stamps it on the back with His own seal. His favor.

 
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Karraster

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I pray to God that anyone reading here will wake up to the Truth of the Word. Come out of the churches that teach man's law and vain things. Stop worshiping words of man and listen to God, for He has spoken!! Remember the Sabbath!! The ONLY commandment that says REMEMBER is the one that SAtan has tried desperately to condemn in the hearts of men. And why keeping Sabbath suggests we do not follow Jesus is the lamest argument of all. Jesus kept the Sabbath. Jesus came to save men and to show them how to be saved. How did that turn into believe in Jesus and do anything you want? Furthermore to teach people they shouldn't follow God's commandments and those commandments are dead, is sinful. Those ten commandments will stand forevermore, whether any man likes it or not.
The apostles kept Sabbath. It was changed after they were all dead and by whom? Men, that's who, not God.
 

stonesoffire

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Rom 4:8
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Rom 4:9
Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
Rom 4:10
How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
Rom 4:11
And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Rom 4:12
And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
Rom 4:13
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:14
For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Rom 4:15
Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
 

notuptome

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I pray to God that anyone reading here will wake up to the Truth of the Word. Come out of the churches that teach man's law and vain things. Stop worshiping words of man and listen to God, for He has spoken!! Remember the Sabbath!! The ONLY commandment that says REMEMBER is the one that SAtan has tried desperately to condemn in the hearts of men. And why keeping Sabbath suggests we do not follow Jesus is the lamest argument of all. Jesus kept the Sabbath. Jesus came to save men and to show them how to be saved. How did that turn into believe in Jesus and do anything you want? Furthermore to teach people they shouldn't follow God's commandments and those commandments are dead, is sinful. Those ten commandments will stand forevermore, whether any man likes it or not.
The apostles kept Sabbath. It was changed after they were all dead and by whom? Men, that's who, not God.
Jesus healed on the Sabbath and you claim He kept the Sabbath? Apparently there is a disconnect here somewhere. We knw that Jesus did not sin yet He was about His Father's work even on the Sabbath. God does not cease from being God on the Sabbath.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

stonesoffire

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Circumcision....the flesh or our human nature with it's frailties, both physical, and moral, and it's passions, is dealt with by sanctification of seperation by Holy Spirit unto the Lord. Cut off by the hands from above.
 

stonesoffire

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Karraster

I believe the church has gone wrong in not declaring how Yeshua fulfilled all the feasts, and how He is our sabbath rest. I can agree with you all on the holidays being changed.

But, days do not matter....John was in the spirit on the Lords day. That was not the sabbath was it?

And now, it is 24/7 we are His.

We would be blessed though to know how the feasts declare Yeshua. That is the point I want to make, not make this law.
 
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2Thewaters

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The Lords day was the Sabbath

Nowhere does the bible say the LORDS day is sunday...that has been falsly inferred since constantine changed it in 321 AD and the catholic catechism says so
it says they changed it
they changed the Lords day to Sunday they admit it

Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:

the Sabbath is the Lods day
...

Constantine changed and called the sund day the Lords day so that is all you ever heard

each sunday they say
this is the day the Lord has made... its called misapplying

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Isa 58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Isaih said in the NEW EARTH it will still be the Sabbath
 
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2Thewaters

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Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

It is the test
of obedience
and everyone is going to take the test
and most will not pass.

it is critical

because it is what the Beast says versus what god said

Just like evolution
god wrote this
and they believe that.
not part of Gods faith in the word

will there be faith on the earth when I return?
 

john832

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Jesus healed on the Sabbath and you claim He kept the Sabbath? Apparently there is a disconnect here somewhere. We knw that Jesus did not sin yet He was about His Father's work even on the Sabbath. God does not cease from being God on the Sabbath.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Show me in the Commandment where healing on the Sabbath, in fact doing good on the Sabbath is condemned. That whole idea comes from the Pharisaical teachings concerning building a fence around the Sabbath.
 
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2Thewaters

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We are supposed to heal on the sabbath
that is keeping the
sabbath

We follow Jesus
the Jews broke the Sabbath by not healing on sSabbath

so why would that make you keep sunday when Jesus said keep Sabbath?

The Sabbath is LOVE
healing is love
praying is love
spending time with Jesus is love
that is what Jesus did.
working to make money is not love.
 
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2Thewaters

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this is not about proving the Sabbath
there is no argument
 

john832

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Karraster

I believe the church has gone wrong in not declaring how Yeshua fulfilled all the feasts, and how He is our sabbath rest. I can agree with you all on the holidays being changed.

But, days do not matter....John was in the spirit on the Lords day. That was not the sabbath was it?

And now, it is 24/7 we are His.

We would be blessed though to know how the feasts declare Yeshua. That is the point I want to make, not make this law.
Think about the Feasts for a minute...

Col 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

They are a shadow of things to come, not what has already been accomplished. They look forward beyond Paul's day.

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,
Rev 1:11 saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last," and, "What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

this happen every Sunday does it? Nope. What he is referring to is mentioned in over thirty prophecies and called the Day of the Lord. Not a day of the week but the end time...

Isa 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts Shall come upon everything proud and lofty, Upon everything lifted up— And it shall be brought low—
Isa 2:13 Upon all the cedars of Lebanon that are high and lifted up, And upon all the oaks of Bashan;
Isa 2:14 Upon all the high mountains, And upon all the hills that are lifted up;
Isa 2:15 Upon every high tower, And upon every fortified wall;
Isa 2:16 Upon all the ships of Tarshish, And upon all the beautiful sloops.
Isa 2:17 The loftiness of man shall be bowed down, And the haughtiness of men shall be brought low; The LORD alone will be exalted in that day,
Isa 2:18 But the idols He shall utterly abolish.
Isa 2:19 They shall go into the holes of the rocks, And into the caves of the earth, From the terror of the LORD And the glory of His majesty, When He arises to shake the earth mightily.

Amo 5:18 Woe to you who desire the day of the LORD! For what good is the day of the LORD to you? It will be darkness, and not light.

If you really want to know what day of the week Christ is Lord of...

Mat 12:8 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."

Mar 2:27 And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath."

Luk 6:5 And He said to them, "The Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath."
 
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Karraster

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Jesus healed on the Sabbath and you claim He kept the Sabbath? Apparently there is a disconnect here somewhere. We knw that Jesus did not sin yet He was about His Father's work even on the Sabbath. God does not cease from being God on the Sabbath.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Maybe the misunderstanding is keeping Sabbath in spirit and truth. It is a holy day unto the Lord to rest from the burdens of this world, to set aside for devotion to Him. To follow where the Lord leads, and be apart from worldly things. Then again, the misunderstanding may go even deeper for the comment: God does not cease from being God on the Sabbath.


Who has said He did? That is a made up fiction, for God never ceases!!! Is that a misconception here, that to keep a certain commandment means we do so thinking we are god instead of God? Where is logic in that???? Disconnect, for sure.
 

john832

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I think this thread has been officially jacked. To try to bring it back to the rails...

Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

We're sealed by the Holy Spirit.
 

john832

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The real question is how do you know you have the Holy Spirit?

Mat 7:20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
 

notuptome

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We are supposed to heal on the sabbath
that is keeping the
sabbath

We follow Jesus
the Jews broke the Sabbath by not healing on sSabbath

so why would that make you keep sunday when Jesus said keep Sabbath?

The Sabbath is LOVE
healing is love
praying is love
spending time with Jesus is love
that is what Jesus did.
working to make money is not love.
So the Sabbath is love? You couldn't tell that from the Sabbath keepers around here.

Just mentioning it has stirred up the legalists, law keepers, and assorted works based salvationists.

For the cause of Christ
Roger