How to keep the Sabbath.

[homwardbound]

I go 'on the assault' when it's a doctrine that is contrary to something taught by Christ and his apostles.

maybe then consider first whether your assault is from and of your own flesh will maybe?
Love you Brother

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

And yet we read...

Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
Jer 31:32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD.
Jer 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Jer 31:34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

And the word for Law is Torah.

Figurative language for the indwelling holy spirit who works the righteousness demanded by the law. The holy spirit is life, not dead letters of law.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

And you abstain perfectly from doing anything on Saturday, every minute?

IMO they think the day sanctifies them, which relieves them from the work of faith that GOD is sanctifying us moment to moment. Yet the law says nothing about the sabbath sanctifying anyone. It was for remembering that GOD is the one who sanctified Israel. The people were to sanctify the day, not the other way around.

 

[homwardbound]

Is there one place in the NT that clearly states that any of the 10 commandments are binding law? No, not one. In fact, when Jesus declared what the two greatest commandments are, he didn't even mention those commandments. Those two are now the law that we under the new covenant live under.

Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Would that be the Laws of Love? to all no matter what? Is not that what god did for us through Son?
Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
It does not say he died for himself does it? For us, why? I mean him perfect and all why?
Could have to be to give us new life as he said it was what he came to do?
John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Today after the cross after the resurrected Christ and the day of Pentecost is this done or not?
I think it is if one believes, after belief all else falls into place at least it has for me and I know this is true with many others as well
We walk as he waked by Faith. Is that not how Christ walked by Faith?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

maybe then consider first whether your assault is from and of your own flesh will maybe?
Love you Brother

I think some people personalize my assault on their lies to think that it is an attack on them.

 

[homwardbound]

Law keepers are terrified of faith. They honestly don't know what the faith of Christ is.

Could they be trying to know though, I remember when I was caught up in trying to do good to perfection and could not, and by seeing this is when I turned from self to God.
As many here have and others on there way to see this amazing truth from Father to us through Son as you do see it yourself. And yet is very hard to explain
Only God can do that to each individual as we plant and or water
For it is god that gives the increase yes?
Love you Brother

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Ok one place in the bible, Just one that says clearly that the 7th day Sabbath is done away with.

Shadows pass away when facing the light.

​​Therefore do not let anyone judge you with reference to eating and drinking or participation in a feast or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of come things, but the body is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17​

 

[homwardbound]

Re Sabbaths, the truth is that you're not entitled to judge your neighbor on Sabbath keeping. Col 2:16.

Anyone who judges his neighbor by his Sabbath keeping had better re-read Galatians and be prepared to face the consequences.

That also goes visa versa Brother to be judged by anyone here on this earth
I shall be judged by none of you, I do not even judge myself, it is god that judges me and am at ease my conscience cleared
Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Love you deeper than you may know
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Could they be trying to know though, I remember when I was caught up in trying to do good to perfection and could not, and by seeing this is when I turned from self to God.
As many here have and others on there way to see this amazing truth from Father to us through Son as you do see it yourself. And yet is very hard to explain
Only God can do that to each individual as we plant and or water
For it is god that gives the increase yes?
Love you Brother

No problem. The problem only comes when they put stumbling blocks in front of the brothers by teaching that we under the law of Moses. It's spiritual abuse.

 

[homwardbound]

This is true

Exodus 20:6, "Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

However the the world has, as a whole been tricked by the lies of satan

Revelation 12:9, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world..."

I would think it very possible that out of those who say they follow the Messiah less than 1 in 5 actually follow Him in truth.

Can any of the people who dont believe in 7th day Sabbath tell me what this verse means?

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; (mentally attack to cause to fall away), the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

"Times" is word # 2166 - Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar - 1) a set time, time, season

That day started on that day of the eating of the tree that masquerades as good of the flesh
And are we not called to be alive today in the Spirit through the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of Christ?
did not Pentecost reveal this to us all?

 

[homwardbound]

the way i keep the sabbath is one sabbath at a time. i think i'd rather do something the Father commanded me to do knowing blessing comes with obeying. it would be ignorant of me knowing the blessings that come with keeping one day a week set aside (7th day), for me to ignore this would be goofy. i'm not a SDA. my belief is Christ Jesus all the way, and from what i see in the word Christ Jesus honored the 7th day.

And is thus okay to work then on the Sabbath? or not just asking. to me there is a big difference in how one sees the Sabbath to me anyway

 

[just-me]

The change of the Law was the change concerning the Aaronic Priesthood to the Mechisidec Priesthood. Context makes this plain.

That's the only change. We have a priest that will never die now. Consider the mount of transfiguration. Who was there? There is no record that they were in disagreement when the priesthood was transferred to the tribe of Judah. Some may think the entire law was changed because of this one change. Sad. "a change" is the way it reads. This is singular meaning one single change. The Priesthood changed, it doesn't say anything about any other change. Any other mind set is like the Nadab and Abihu mind set. They got smoked.

Hebrews 7:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

 

[homwardbound]

where are we Commanded to keep the "Lord's day" and exactly do you think this is?

KJV says Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, so wouldn't the "Lords day" still be the 7th day?

It couldn't be every day a rest whether we work or not, are we not called to be alive in the Spirit and dead in the flesh?
The flesh I know is weak and gets tired, yet the Spirit never needs rest does it? And truthfully did God need rest? Or is man in the flesh that needs rest?

 

[john832]

Figurative language for the indwelling holy spirit who works the righteousness demanded by the law. The holy spirit is life, not dead letters of law.

If it doesn't fit, it must be figurative.

 

[john832]

IMO they think the day sanctifies them, which relieves them from the work of faith that GOD is sanctifying us moment to moment. Yet the law says nothing about the sabbath sanctifying anyone. It was for remembering that GOD is the one who sanctified Israel. The people were to sanctify the day, not the other way around.

Yep, That is YOUR OPINION.

 

[just-me]

If it doesn't fit, it must be figurative.

Romans 8:7-9 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[john832]

Shadows pass away when facing the light.

​​Therefore do not let anyone judge you with reference to eating and drinking or participation in a feast or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of come things, but the body is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17​

They pass away when the fulfillment comes. Paul says the fulfillment is yet future. It is, it is the Millenium. Yet, in the Millenium we will still see people keeping the Sabbath...

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me," says the LORD.

 

[homwardbound]

where are we Commanded to keep the "Lord's day" and exactly do you think this is?

KJV says Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, so wouldn't the "Lords day" still be the 7th day?

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

So we are to only do this one day a week? God forbid, and am thankful to have and am in God's rest every day, thanking and praising him for Son. without that, I am most miserable and still in my sins that are today past, and trusting God to keep me whole, and no other,
Thanks

 

[john832]

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

So we are to only do this one day a week? God forbid, and am thankful to have and am in God's rest every day, thanking and praising him for Son. without that, I am most miserable and still in my sins that are today past, and trusting God to keep me whole, and no other,
Thanks

Why skip verse 9?

 

[homwardbound]

Father forgive those that mock and ridicule the day you have sanctified and made holy, they have been so brain washed they are afraid to obey, thinking if they obey, they are disobeying. Father you warned us of this, calling good bad, and bad good. Only you can open there eyes Father, in your Son Christ Jesus name i ask, Thank You.

That is for us all for:
1 Corinthians 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
1 Corinthians 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
Colossians 2:19 and not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.