The Truth About The Sabbath

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
RedTent

RedTent

Banned
#41
Oct 31, 2011
8,200
182
0
#41
Josh321 said:
think about it from a spiritual point of view my sister... do you honestly believe that keeping a day will give us complete rest for our souls? Jesus said Matthew 11:28-30

King James Version (KJV)

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.


do you honestlly believe with your heart... that this rest he is talking about is just a day rest.. you do know that our souls know they are destined to destructions, if Jesus said he is the Rest and he will give us that rest why won't you go to God for that resting? instead of relying on your understands of things instead of letting God give you the rest

listen careful now at this scripture please.


Hebrews 4:3

King James Version (KJV)

3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.




do you see it? they THAT BELIEVED upon the LORD ENTERS REST did it say so or not

Look at this

Hebrews 4:6

King James Version (KJV)

6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:


oh my...... why did they NOT ENTER REST? because of UNBELIEF! do you not see the rest that is being discussed here
Click to expand...
I certainly do not think that when God says to rest in Him, and when God says to rest from our labors that God excludes one kind of rest from the other kind.

Even when you meet one of your friends, you know that knowing one thing about them does not mean that you must not know more. God is all you say. It is not unbelief to say God is more, too. You can enter rest in the Lord AND rest from labor on the Sabbath, both are part of God, both are blessings.
 
I

Isdaniel

Banned
#42
Oct 14, 2013
4,750
21
0
#42
Josh321 said:
you call it falsehood because you don't understand it Matthew 11:25

King James Version (KJV)

25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Click to expand...

hmmm i understand that you dont understand hmmmmm
 
RedTent

RedTent

Banned
#45
Oct 31, 2011
8,200
182
0
#45
Josh321 said:
what don't i understand? i didn't get this understand from myself, no not at all, nor from any man
Click to expand...
Josh, it isn't from a man that we want you to understand more, it is from scripture. Your understanding is great, it just needs another step. Keep what you have, just add more of scripture. What you have does not cancel out more understanding, it really doesn't. When you say it does, it means your understanding of rest is too limited.
 
S

SparkleEyes

Senior Member
#46
Mar 23, 2013
771
21
18
#46
tripsin said:
I do not read loooong posts. And when someone posts such items, it is suspect that they have posted someone elses writings. If you want to post it because you agree with it, that is O.K. but we still need to know where it came from.

I think the basic premise of the article is that because of Christ's sacrifice on the cross, we are now in His continual rest. And I agree. Romans 14 answers to those who want to practice the Sabbath and those who do not, very well. If you see Romans 14 in any other way, then you are trying to make it complicated.

"But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." 2 Cor 11.:)
Click to expand...
I don't read long posts either. The OP first posted a long chunk of text complete with proper punctuation and at least ONE subsequent post had NOOOOOOOO punctuation what so ever. So that tells me exactly what Tripsin said - he /she probably copied and pasted the initial post in this thread.

I really dislike reading posts that have little to no punctuation and / or improper grammar. Even a well thought out piece of writing sounds unintelligent and rambling when there is little to no punctuation (periods, commas and such, in case anyone needs reminding) and improper grammar.

Sorry folks, I may offend by saying this, but there is a reason to learn and use good writing skills. :cool:
 
KohenMatt

KohenMatt

Senior Member
#47
Jun 28, 2013
4,031
233
63
#47
Josh321 said:
the spiritual rest of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is the only Rest we need, when we receive that rest indeed we are at rest in christ Jesus because our souls know that at first it was going into destruction but when it receives christ it is overwhelmed with Joy and happiness and relief that is the only Rest anyone should strive for, and if we do enter the rest of Christ why would anyone go back to a shadow of it ? now notice i'm not judging anyone i'm just saying
Click to expand...
God isn't calling us to "go back" to something once we have that salvation-rest. Rather, He's calling us to continue on in what He told His people to do from the beginning. Again, there are 2 different kinds of "rest" illustrated here. Neither are in conflict with the other. The Sabbath is a sign of God's relationship with His people. Just like baptism is a sign, or communion. Again, God never changes the Sabbath. Paul adds some clarification and correction for those who are using it improperly. But nowhere does God change it.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead

HeRoseFromTheDead

Senior Member
#48
Sep 4, 2012
14,424
691
113
#48
KohenMatt said:
God isn't calling us to "go back" to something once we have that salvation-rest. Rather, He's calling us to continue on in what He told His people to do from the beginning. Again, there are 2 different kinds of "rest" illustrated here. Neither are in conflict with the other. The Sabbath is a sign of God's relationship with His people. Just like baptism is a sign, or communion. Again, God never changes the Sabbath. Paul adds some clarification and correction for those who are using it improperly. But nowhere does God change it.
Click to expand...
His people? I see numerous people in scripture who I would call GOD's people, yet I can't find anything in scripture that says they were told to keep the sabbath. In fact, the evidence shows that the children of Israel who escaped from Egypt were the first to receive that commandment. Anything beyond this is speculation.
 
R

reject-tech

Guest
#49
#49
Sabbath to a Christian is no longer the
keeping of holy days, new moons or seasons. It means “eternal rest” to one’s soul by the
New Birth.
Click to expand...
Yes. Every time we go on vacation from our job and take our family to the beach, we are forshadowing the casting of the great millstone into the sea.

It demonstrates the difference in quality of life between now (working to death) and the sabbath.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Josh321

Josh321

Senior Member
#50
Sep 3, 2013
1,286
17
0
#50
it's like people are seeing it but yet still understand it, look at when christ came, they just could not accept him no matter what because you see they were using their human thinking, that is why they could not understand him because he was GOD in a MAN and they could not understand that so what did they do? they choose not to believe because their human understands about it doesn't understand, it's the same situation here too, we say the grace of God makes us lose to desire to sin and thus fulfils the law but you can't understand that see, you thinking with your human knowledge not the knowledge of God, the knowledge of God is supernatural, not for the natural mind
 
D

danschance

Guest
#51
#51
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Romans 10:4

Hmmmmmmmm I wonder what "end of the law" means Hmmmmmmmm.......

 
Josh321

Josh321

Senior Member
#52
Sep 3, 2013
1,286
17
0
#52
danschance said:
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Romans 10:4

Hmmmmmmmm I wonder what "end of the law" means Hmmmmmmmm.......
Click to expand...
read my post above my brother :)
 
KJV1611

KJV1611

Banned
#53
Nov 23, 2013
13,684
1,212
113
#53
Josh all the people whole who are keeping the Sabaath day are keeping the SHADOW of the Sabaath.
Once the real thing has come, the shadow is worthless. It's like continuing to sacrifice lambs after the LAMB OF GOD has already come... the shadow is worthless!

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Sabaath day keepers have not ceased from their own works... they are still WORKING trying pleasing God by keeping the Sabaath day.
 
I

Isdaniel

Banned
#54
Oct 14, 2013
4,750
21
0
#54
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
His people? I see numerous people in scripture who I would call GOD's people, yet I can't find anything in scripture that says they were told to keep the sabbath. In fact, the evidence shows that the children of Israel who escaped from Egypt were the first to receive that commandment. Anything beyond this is speculation.
Click to expand...
plese shew that it says keep Sunday pleaseeeeeeeeeeee
 
I

Isdaniel

Banned
#55
Oct 14, 2013
4,750
21
0
#55
KJV1611 said:
Josh all the people whole who are keeping the Sabaath day are keeping the SHADOW of the Sabaath.
Once the real thing has come, the shadow is worthless. It's like continuing to sacrifice lambs after the LAMB OF GOD has already come... the shadow is worthless!

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Sabaath day keepers have not ceased from their own works... they are still WORKING trying pleasing God by keeping the Sabaath day.
Click to expand...

So you are a robber because that was a shadow too right :rolleyes:
 
Josh321

Josh321

Senior Member
#56
Sep 3, 2013
1,286
17
0
#56
KJV1611 said:
Josh all the people whole who are keeping the Sabaath day are keeping the SHADOW of the Sabaath.
Once the real thing has come, the shadow is worthless. It's like continuing to sacrifice lambs after the LAMB OF GOD has already come... the shadow is worthless!

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Sabaath day keepers have not ceased from their own works... they are still WORKING trying pleasing God by keeping the Sabaath day.
Click to expand...
exactly.. that just shows... i mean we really gotta ask ourselves if we are looking at something other than christ or don't understand what others are saying.. are we infact born again? and born of a nature of God? some may say sure i am i believe on christ but look what paul ask these people.. [h=3]Acts 19:2[/h]King James Version (KJV)

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.




[h=3]Ephesians 4:18[/h]King James Version (KJV)

18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:


no one will ever understand the mystery of God until they are born again... i'm not boosting or say anything... i've told you many times this is not my saying i was not a christian but i used faith to God to believe in him and he say my genuine faith and accepted it, God choose to reveal this to me.. it's not my doing
 
Josh321

Josh321

Senior Member
#58
Sep 3, 2013
1,286
17
0
#58
Isdaniel said:
plese shew that it says keep Sunday pleaseeeeeeeeeeee
Click to expand...
it doesn't say to keep anyday honestly, we are to just worship in spirit and truth, but the people choose sunday because it is the glorious day that our lord Jesus christ was risen, redeeming everyone that believes upon him
 
I

Isdaniel

Banned
#59
Oct 14, 2013
4,750
21
0
#59
Josh321 said:
exactly.. that just shows... i mean we really gotta ask ourselves if we are looking at something other than christ or don't understand what others are saying.. are we infact born again? and born of a nature of God? some may say sure i am i believe on christ but look what paul ask these people.. Acts 19:2

King James Version (KJV)

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.




Ephesians 4:18

King James Version (KJV)

18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:


no one will ever understand the mystery of God until they are born again... i'm not boosting or say anything... i've told you many times this is not my saying i was not a christian but i used faith to God to believe in him and he say my genuine faith and accepted it, God choose to reveal this to me.. it's not my doing
Click to expand...
Thats true because your post clearly shews that hmmmm thou does not understand nothing
 
Josh321

Josh321

Senior Member
#60
Sep 3, 2013
1,286
17
0
#60
you know what is going to be very painful... criminals know they are going to hell, prostitutes know the same but to those people... who believe they are doing to right thing... but in the last days.. [h=3]Luke 13:27[/h]King James Version (KJV)

27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

if this doesn't scare you i don't know what will...i even have to double check myself constantly and remind myself what God did for me


honestly if your trying to do the right thing, trying to stop smoking, trying to live a good life, trying just keep trying.. there is something wrong there... anyone born of God does not try they just do.. they have the nature of christ giving to them by GOD, so if your trying anything be sure to check yourself... we must be certain that that same spirit that was in christ is in you, living through you, feeling the pain of the world, not bond to sin
 
You must log in or register to reply here.