The Truth About The Sabbath

[Isdaniel]

Hmmmmm..... How is Christ the end of the law? Hmmmmm.


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hmmmmmmmmmmmdo you disobey your parenst hmmm Jesus is the end of the law right

 

[tripsin]

Karrraster Hi - I know I don't have all the answers but I know the one who does and that is God. I read every day out of the Bible to try and learn more about Him and pray for help in understanding. I think about the 10 commandments that were written in stone and placed in the ark in the most holy place. Common sense tells me that because they were placed where God stayed with the children of Israel during there 40 year journey in the wilderness that those commandments had to be pretty important to Him. God is perfect - He does not change, He is faithful and He can not lie. I believe that when all is said and done and Jesus has come the 2nd time to take us with Him that in heaven the 10 commandments will still be there in heaven with us. I just can't get the Bible verse out of my head that says If you love Me keep My commandments. I have a hard time saying I love God not because I don't want to I just see that I don't always keep His commandments. Yes, I understand that Jesus died for me and God sees His perfect life instead of my sinful one because I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior. But I want to say I love Him knowing I obey and I believe if I love Him I will keep His commandments. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.

As a Christian I am still on a journey every day and I want to walk with Jesus and grow and learn and help others to find their way to God. And to know the truth - not to prove a point or to say I'm right and someone else is wrong.

God does not change. But He does have an eternal plan and in that plan are different dispensations. To be aware of the principles found in the Old Testament is good, but that is the old covenant. God has moved us on to a better covenant (which is and has been His plan all along) in Christ Jesus.

Under the New Covenant there are only two commandments: "Jesus said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. "And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor and your self.' "On these two commandments hang all the law and the Prophets." Matt.22:

A dear teacher once said, "God made the Ten Commandments to prove (to us) that we couldn't keep them."

You will fail if you try to keep them. After Jesus died for our sins, we live by life - by the spirit within, not by the law. Once you understand the reality of the magnitude of what Jesus has done for us and the liberty we have in Him, you will know that, yes, you love Him; you really love Him - a lot!

We have been conditioned by that 'Old Time Religion,' which more than not, tried to keep us under the law. We have been set free from that. We are under grace, unmerited favor!

 

[tripsin]

Law keepers never seem to mention the fact that a key reason the law was established was to condemn those under it. They talk about the law as if it is their friend or advocate, not realizing that the law points out their sin and condemns them.

You are just repeating the same law-cultist talking points that devotees glean from those kinds of websites and then regurgitate here. Those falsehoods have ready been thoroughly debunked, so no need to do so again.

And so many miss this from Paul: "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." Romans 8.

 

[KohenMatt]

Hmmmmm..... How is Christ the end of the law? Hmmmmm.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."

You're right. He is the end of the law, for righteousness.

We're not talking about that though.

 

[Josh321]

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."

You're right. He is the end of the law, for righteousness.

We're not talking about that though.

lol have you read what you just posted? isn't that the same thing you defending? the acting out of the law for righteousness instead of faith

 

[zone]

hmmmmmmmmmmmdo you disobey your parenst hmmm Jesus is the end of the law right

do you carry around 2 giant stone tablets to tell you right from wrong?
you better watch those charges you keep making - SDA cultist.

 

[Hizikyah]

here is one for you josh, Sabbath, main topic

"end of the Law" is not the meaning of the greek, "goal of the Law" is

unless you call Messiah a liar?

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors and their works do follow them!"

Mattithyah 24:20, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day."

Why would MEssiah IN A MESSAGE ONLY TO THOSE WHO FOLLOW HIM, be saying pray its not on the Sabbath?

Is He saying that since the Sabbath is "every day" pray it never happens? NO, every day is a lie.

Or is He saying this because the Sabbath is still valid in the endtimes?

 

[zone]

here is one for you josh, Sabbath, main topic

Matthew 3:15
Jesus replied, "Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness." Then John consented.

was Jesus your good example there, Hizikyah?
how pretentious of you to name yourself after an Hebrew king.

what did Jesus mean "to fulfill all righteousness"?

you have no clue:

Romans 3:21
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.

 

[Hizikyah]

Matthew 3:15
Jesus replied, "Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness." Then John consented.

was Jesus your good example there, Hizikyah?
how pretentious of you to name yourself after an Hebrew king.

what did Jesus mean "to fulfill all righteousness"?

you have no clue:

Romans 3:21
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.

One you know nothing about me, I did not name myself after a Hebrew king, a number of my friends started calling me this as a joke and it stuck.

also Hizikyah means "Yahweh will prevail" so I very much like he nickname.

Romans 3:21 is true, just as Romans 3:31 is also true:

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law

I dont follow Yahweh's Law accuse I want to be justified by it, I follow Yahweh's Law because I submit to Him as supreme ruler and He knows what conduct is proper and what conduct is not.

 

[danschance]

"end of the Law" is not the meaning of the greek, "goal of the Law" is

unless you call Messiah a liar?

The greek word is telos and it is never translated into english as goal. It simply means end.

Here is a link to strongs on this passage (Romans 10:4) where it states Christ

Greek Lexicon :: G5056 (KJV)

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Rom 10:4

 

[danschance]

hmmmmmmmmmmmdo you disobey your parenst hmmm Jesus is the end of the law right

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Romans 10:4

Still the question remains. How is Christ the end of the law?

 

[Hizikyah]

The greek word is telos and it is never translated into english as goal. It simply means end.

Here is a link to strongs on this passage (Romans 10:4) where it states Christ

Greek Lexicon :: G5056 (KJV)

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Rom 10:4

Root Word (Etymology)
From a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

 

[Josh321]

here is one for you josh, Sabbath, main topic

that's for the jews my brother.. the 144 000, why don't people understand this part of revelation? the church will be raptured away and God will come back to get his people israel the 144 000, they had to be killed because they were guilty of killing the messiah and they said LET HIS BLOOD BE UPON US AND OUR CHILDREN, exactly what is happening [h=3]Matthew 27:24-25[/h]King James Version (KJV)

24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

 

[Hizikyah]

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Romans 10:4

Still the question remains. How is Christ the end of the law?

I have to add your interpretation of Shaul's writings are very confusing...if that is what he means in Romans 10:4 he must had changed his mind very quicky...

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

I know new age pauline church dont read that verse, but fact remains, if it is how you say there is a clear contradiction, unless you can explain this verse away I dont see how your view could be correct.

 

[zone]

The greek word is telos and it is never translated into english as goal. It simply means end.

Here is a link to strongs on this passage (Romans 10:4) where it states Christ

Greek Lexicon :: G5056 (KJV)

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Rom 10:4

“I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.” Gal. 2:21

 

[zone]

I have to add your interpretation of Shaul's writings are very confusing...if that is what he means in Romans 10:4 he must had changed his mind very quicky...

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

I know new age pauline church dont read that verse, but fact remains, if it is how you say there is a clear contradiction, unless you can explain this verse away I dont see how your view could be correct.

“I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.” Gal. 2:21

GRACE - GOD GAVE HIS SON.

THAT'S ALL HE ACCEPTS.

A NEW HEART LOVES AND KNOWS RIGHT FROM WRONG.

get it?

 

[danschance]

Root Word (Etymology)
From a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

So rather than answer my question you want to redefine terms. As I previous mentioned that greek word telos simply means end. Not once has it been translated as goal. Also this not tello, it is telos.

The KJV translates Strongs G5056 in the following manner:
end (35x)
,custom (3x)
, uttermost (1x)
finally (1x)
ending (1x),
by (one's) continual (with G1519) (1x).

This proves it is translated 35 times as end in the KJV. Not a single time is it ever translated as goal.

Again, how is Christ the end of the law?

 

[Hizikyah]

that's for the jews my brother.. the 144 000, why don't people understand this part of revelation? the church will be raptured away and God will come back to get his people israel the 144 000, they had to be killed because they were guilty of killing the messiah and they said LET HIS BLOOD BE UPON US AND OUR CHILDREN, exactly what is happening Matthew 27:24-25

King James Version (KJV)

24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

Scripture says the gentiles killed Yahshua:

Mattithyah20:19, "They will hand Him over to the Gentiles to mock, to scourge, and to impale; but the third day He will be raised up."

Mark 10:33, "And said: Behold, we go up to Yerusalem, and the Son of Man will be handed over to the chief priests and the scribes; then they will condemn Him to death, and will hand Him over to the Gentiles, And they will mock Him, and will scourge Him, and will spit upon Him, and will kill Him; but the third day He will be raised up."

Luke 18:32, "For He will be handed over to the Gentiles, and will be mocked, insulted, and spat upon. Then they will scourge Him, and put Him to death: but on the third day He will be raised up."

This is not true, there are not 2 different paths, there is 1 standard in which men will be judged, there is not one for Hebrews and one for the rest:

Romans 2:9-12, "Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of person with Yahweh. For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law"

also Sabbath is and always has been for gentiles:

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

 

[zone]

Scripture says the gentiles killed Yahshua:

Mattithyah20:19, "They will hand Him over to the Gentiles to mock, to scourge, and to impale; but the third day He will be raised up."

Mark 10:33, "And said: Behold, we go up to Yerusalem, and the Son of Man will be handed over to the chief priests and the scribes; then they will condemn Him to death, and will hand Him over to the Gentiles, And they will mock Him, and will scourge Him, and will spit upon Him, and will kill Him; but the third day He will be raised up."

Luke 18:32, "For He will be handed over to the Gentiles, and will be mocked, insulted, and spat upon. Then they will scourge Him, and put Him to death: but on the third day He will be raised up."

This is not true, there are not 2 different paths, there is 1 standard in which men will be judged, there is not one for Hebrews and one for the rest:

Romans 2:9-12, "Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of person with Yahweh. For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law"

also Sabbath is and always has been for gentiles:

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

scripture says the gentiles and the jews killed Jesus.
to fulfill everything in the Law & prophets.

but you can play hebrew king all day long.

you're not a christian....and you're proud of it.

 

[Hizikyah]

SO if the Law is done away what do these verse mean?


Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

and Zone I never recieved an answer for earlier........