There Are Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity
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John 10:30
I and my Father are one.
Then they began to stone him and he explains his authority not discounting this statement
sorry but he isn't talking about his statement about being God he is explaining his authority acording to the law
Jesus was crucified for saying he was the Messiah for saying he was God all Christian faiths believe Christ is The Messiah that he is God
If you don't believe this what do you believe? They can't be two gods
The Father and the Son have to be one and the same to follow Christ
please tell me who Christ is if not God and what doctrine teaches this
I and my Father are one.
Then they began to stone him and he explains his authority not discounting this statement
sorry but he isn't talking about his statement about being God he is explaining his authority acording to the law Jesus was crucified for saying he was the Messiah
for saying he was God all Christian faiths believe Christ is The Messiah that he is GodIf you don't believe this what do you believe? They can't be two gods
The Father and the Son have to be one and the same to follow Christ
please tell me who Christ is if not God and what doctrine teaches this
T
John 17 (the entire chapter)
I'm going to paraphrase most of it because you already know what it says seeing you are clearly familiar with your bible.
Basically Jesus is praying to God right? and he says that he wants his disciples to be one in him just as God is in him and he in god. So if the trinity is true he wants his disciples to Join the trinity.
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Also in ch. 1 John says no one has seen god, but If Jesus is God than they have. Also God cannot be tempted, Jesus was. God cannot die, Jesus did for at least 3 days. (This next section comes fro different parts in Hebrews) If Jesus was God than he couldn't have sinned and the idea that we can relate with Jesus because he was tempted in every way we were is gone because he couldn't sin so there is no relation. Jesus partook in the same flesh and blood that we have right? That means Jesus had the same fleshly nature that we have. Our nature is to sin, just like his was. He overcame it though, which is what made him perfect through sufferings.
Also the general concept of Jesus praying to God literally makes no sense if Jesus is God.
Jesus sits at the right side of God, not in the same spot as God, because they are different.
I'm going to paraphrase most of it because you already know what it says seeing you are clearly familiar with your bible.
Basically Jesus is praying to God right? and he says that he wants his disciples to be one in him just as God is in him and he in god. So if the trinity is true he wants his disciples to Join the trinity.
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Also in ch. 1 John says no one has seen god, but If Jesus is God than they have. Also God cannot be tempted, Jesus was. God cannot die, Jesus did for at least 3 days. (This next section comes fro different parts in Hebrews) If Jesus was God than he couldn't have sinned and the idea that we can relate with Jesus because he was tempted in every way we were is gone because he couldn't sin so there is no relation. Jesus partook in the same flesh and blood that we have right? That means Jesus had the same fleshly nature that we have. Our nature is to sin, just like his was. He overcame it though, which is what made him perfect through sufferings.
Also the general concept of Jesus praying to God literally makes no sense if Jesus is God.
Jesus sits at the right side of God, not in the same spot as God, because they are different.
T
John 10:30
I and my Father are one.
Then they began to stone him and he explains his authority not discounting this statement sorry but he isn't talking about his statement about being God he is explaining his authority acording to the law
Jesus was crucified for saying he was the Messiah for saying he was God all Christian faiths believe Christ is The Messiah that he is God
If you don't believe this what do you believe? They can't be two gods
The Father and the Son have to be one and the same to follow Christ
please tell me who Christ is if not God and what doctrine teaches this
I and my Father are one.
Then they began to stone him and he explains his authority not discounting this statement
sorry but he isn't talking about his statement about being God he is explaining his authority acording to the law Jesus was crucified for saying he was the Messiah
for saying he was God all Christian faiths believe Christ is The Messiah that he is GodIf you don't believe this what do you believe? They can't be two gods
The Father and the Son have to be one and the same to follow Christ
please tell me who Christ is if not God and what doctrine teaches this
You don't know what the Trinity even is...
God The Father.
This does not deny the Trinity, nor His deity.
John 17.3 states that Jesus is the true God...
No one can see God The Father and live.
Thousands saw God The Son and lived...
Jesus said not to tempt God - because He IS God.
His flesh died.
He prayed as an example for us.
Jesus NEVER prayed for His OWN forgiveness....but that of others...
Come on...study up...
They are NOT each other, but each is the One God.
The Trinity.
You don't even know what it is.
Is this the best that you have....?
God The Father.
This does not deny the Trinity, nor His deity.
John 17.3 states that Jesus is the true God...
No one can see God The Father and live.
Thousands saw God The Son and lived...
Jesus said not to tempt God - because He IS God.
His flesh died.
He prayed as an example for us.
Jesus NEVER prayed for His OWN forgiveness....but that of others...
Come on...study up...
They are NOT each other, but each is the One God.
The Trinity.
You don't even know what it is.
Is this the best that you have....?
T
Re: You don't know what the Trinity even is...
With your first comment it doesn't say God the father it says God. Don't add in "the father"
17:3 says "the one true God and Jesus chrsit" so there is one true God, and then there is Jesus christ not that they are the same.
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempts he any man
James 1:13
God, not God the father, but god cannot be tempted. You can not just add in "the father" to fit your belief. If it just says God and all three are God then it should talk about Jesus there to, but then the bible would contradict so you add in the father which is adding words that are not in the bible.
Also Jesus doesn't pray for his own forgiveness because he never needed to, he never sinned. He did pray for others though and if he was God that makes no sense. He is praying to himself than.
With your first comment it doesn't say God the father it says God. Don't add in "the father"
17:3 says "the one true God and Jesus chrsit" so there is one true God, and then there is Jesus christ not that they are the same.
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempts he any man
James 1:13
God, not God the father, but god cannot be tempted. You can not just add in "the father" to fit your belief. If it just says God and all three are God then it should talk about Jesus there to, but then the bible would contradict so you add in the father which is adding words that are not in the bible.
Also Jesus doesn't pray for his own forgiveness because he never needed to, he never sinned. He did pray for others though and if he was God that makes no sense. He is praying to himself than.
Re: You don't know what the Trinity even is...
John 17.1 states Father...
In John 17.3, if you were even remotely familiar with Greek, then you would already be cognizant that there are absolutely no grammatical reasons at all for denying that αληθινον θεονrefers to Jesus Christ.
This can be deduced from a study of the article with multiple substantives connected via kai.
αυτη δε εστιν η αιωνιος ζωη ινα γινωσκωσιν σε τον μονον αληθινον θεον και ον απεστειλας ιησουν χριστον
And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. (John 17.3)
Jesus told the devil not to tempt God...because Jesus is God.
Simple...
God is sinless.
He is the man-God.
What part of the man-God then prayed...?
John 17.1 states Father...
In John 17.3, if you were even remotely familiar with Greek, then you would already be cognizant that there are absolutely no grammatical reasons at all for denying that αληθινον θεονrefers to Jesus Christ.
This can be deduced from a study of the article with multiple substantives connected via kai.
αυτη δε εστιν η αιωνιος ζωη ινα γινωσκωσιν σε τον μονον αληθινον θεον και ον απεστειλας ιησουν χριστον
And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. (John 17.3)
Jesus told the devil not to tempt God...because Jesus is God.
Simple...
God is sinless.
He is the man-God.
What part of the man-God then prayed...?
T
The Trinity
I can't explain why I believe what I believe any better than this cite so I'll just refer you to it. You stilll never explained my section on 17: 23 but I really dont care at this point. You clearly won't change your position, and you have done nothing tp make me change mine. You havn't shown me at all that Jesus and God are God. God bless and I hope that one day you do find the truth.
I can't explain why I believe what I believe any better than this cite so I'll just refer you to it. You stilll never explained my section on 17: 23 but I really dont care at this point. You clearly won't change your position, and you have done nothing tp make me change mine. You havn't shown me at all that Jesus and God are God. God bless and I hope that one day you do find the truth.
T
Re: You simply don't know scripture...
And before you go all "wow way to run away" or anything along those lines, no I am just not going to debate with someone for hours on a topic that yields no fruit. I commend you for knowing your way around a bible very well, but I do suggest you be careful about adding in "the father" or "the son" whenever a verse makes no sense without them. Other than that I'm done. Goodnight as it is realllly late here and I'm exausted haha again God bless!
And before you go all "wow way to run away" or anything along those lines, no I am just not going to debate with someone for hours on a topic that yields no fruit. I commend you for knowing your way around a bible very well, but I do suggest you be careful about adding in "the father" or "the son" whenever a verse makes no sense without them. Other than that I'm done. Goodnight as it is realllly late here and I'm exausted haha again God bless!