Bewitching Believers Through the Hebrew Roots Movement
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Not all Messianic Congregations are this way. A great deal of them are. The one I attend on occasion says both Yeshua and Jesus in a service. Yeshua is the correct way, and orthodox Jews who don't believe in Jesus as Messiah will say Yeshu, which is a derogatory term indicating that they spurn the very thought that Jesus is the Messiah and it's a mocking term. The Messianic congregation that I attend is very balanced and there are some actual Jews who go there, and in addition both of the Rabbis are Jewish, so the GET IT. Not all Messianic congregations are "cultish" in nature. However, one does have to have discernment, and be well versed in the Bible, and have their "identity" in Christ,, not in Jewish ways, culture, etc. Jesus wants us to love HIM. Just as Deuteronomy 6:4-5 says, [SUP]4 [/SUP]“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! [SUP]5 [/SUP]You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. "
My exposure to the Hebrew Roots Movement has been the absolute opposite to yours! Their goal was to expose the joy of the salvation Jesus brings in the deepest way possible. If they used the clothing, feasts and festivals as reminders of what Jesus stood for, it was never for anything but everyday reminders of that. It was never about the ritual, it was about what the ritual meant in relation to Christ. It made my regular church seem lukewarm for Christ as if Christ meant everything to them and my church was rather ho hum about Christ. How strange the same experience would mean something so different to different people!
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Hebrew roots movement (HRM) Considers:
1) The New Testament to be inferior to the Old testament.
2) The old covenant laws are still in effect. So the death of Christ changed nothing.
3) They place importance on keeping the law and side line the grace of Christ. (i.e. law trumps grace)
4) The Christian new Testament includes books and writings which are not scripture.
5) Keeping old testament law is more important than having a relationship with Jesus.
Bottom line:
Those snared in the HRM idolize the law. They are legalistic judaizers who down play the effects of the cross.
Beware/Stay away from of the HRM
down with the Talmud!
Yahweh's Scripture ONLY!
Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"
the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Yahweh's Scripture ONLY!
Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"
the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
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I am comparing the promises of God toward Israel and its people in the future at the second coming and what Zone believes has already happened to them having no future in this life or the next to come. She does not pray for their future salvation because she does not believe they have a future. Let her express here what future she believes Israel and her people will have at the second coming and in the kingdom to come. Are you ready?
Strange, the HRM you went to. The one I went to taught:
1. The NT completed the OT
2. Law was established at creation and the principles like love and justice remain the same, but Christ changed lots about it. We need to learn exactly what Christ changed.
3. Grace always was, sin without Christ affects grace, but no work we do can result in grace.
4. All scripture is God breathed.
5. A relationship with Christ has always been most important of anything.
If we say our actions result in God's grace it is as bad as saying we are Gods. Only God has power to give grace.
I got these teachings at a church that called itself "Messianic Synagogue". Where did you find your teachings?
1. The NT completed the OT
2. Law was established at creation and the principles like love and justice remain the same, but Christ changed lots about it. We need to learn exactly what Christ changed.
3. Grace always was, sin without Christ affects grace, but no work we do can result in grace.
4. All scripture is God breathed.
5. A relationship with Christ has always been most important of anything.
If we say our actions result in God's grace it is as bad as saying we are Gods. Only God has power to give grace.
I got these teachings at a church that called itself "Messianic Synagogue". Where did you find your teachings?
seems you have forged my post by adding a word to it.
that is very dishonest. your fruits show who you are. (you added the word in red)
Originally Posted by Hizikyah
Paul wrote this:
Acts 24"14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."
a "judaizer" is one who pushes judaism/legalism,which is Talmudic, NOT YAHWEH"S LAW
and irrelavant to what most think or say a "judaizer" is its in the name its about Judaism, which is in opposition to Scripture, even OT only Scripture, Judaism called one a heretic who only believes in Scripture and not their oral law that Yahshua condemned.
that is very dishonest. your fruits show who you are. (you added the word in red)
Paul wrote this:
Acts 24"14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."
a "judaizer" is one who pushes judaism/legalism,which is Talmudic, NOT YAHWEH"S LAW
and irrelavant to what most think or say a "judaizer" is its in the name its about Judaism, which is in opposition to Scripture, even OT only Scripture, Judaism called one a heretic who only believes in Scripture and not their oral law that Yahshua condemned.
Clearly Messiah condemned Talmudic Judaism, for right reason, yet there is truth in what most people call Jew things.
Possibly the Instructions of Yahweh? Yahweh appointed times?
Zecharyah 8:23, "This is what Yahweh of hosts says: In those days ten men, out of all languages of the nations, will take hold of the tzitzit on the tallit of him who is a Yahdai, saying; We will go with you, for we have heard that Yahweh is with you."
Yeremyah 16:19, "O Yahweh, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles will come to You from the ends of the earth, and will say: Surely our fathers have inherited nothing but lies and vanity no use at all!"
Possibly the Instructions of Yahweh? Yahweh appointed times?
Zecharyah 8:23, "This is what Yahweh of hosts says: In those days ten men, out of all languages of the nations, will take hold of the tzitzit on the tallit of him who is a Yahdai, saying; We will go with you, for we have heard that Yahweh is with you."
Yeremyah 16:19, "O Yahweh, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles will come to You from the ends of the earth, and will say: Surely our fathers have inherited nothing but lies and vanity no use at all!"
A LIE.
A DAMNABLE LIE.
if anyone - including Jews receive the new birth, through the Gospel, and are transferred to the eternal kingdom (which was their promise), they will have eternal life, just as the prophets foretold.
if they reject Christ, at the second coming - like all unbelievers they will face judgment and damnation.
are you going to argue with Jesus Christ, who said that....yes, you are.
you do every day.
A DAMNABLE LIE.
if anyone - including Jews receive the new birth, through the Gospel, and are transferred to the eternal kingdom (which was their promise), they will have eternal life, just as the prophets foretold.
if they reject Christ, at the second coming - like all unbelievers they will face judgment and damnation.
are you going to argue with Jesus Christ, who said that....yes, you are.
you do every day.