The Israel of God

[ProphetExcalibur]

zone may have a certain way of dealing with people that I do not necessarily agree with but does that mean that I should do the same in return? She is my sister in Christ - despite our differences.

Zone, concerning the way you deal with some nasty Dispensationalist in here, I must apologize to you (though I've never said any thing to you about it); I'll just say I see now why you do it!!!!! One can never speak to a true Zionist civil while disagreeing with them. Much love my Sister!

 

[Elin]

Zone, concerning the way you deal with some nasty Dispensationalist in here, I must apologize to you (though I've never said any thing to you about it); I'll just say I see now why you do it!!!!!
One can never speak to a true Zionist civil while disagreeing with them. Much love my Sister!

There is none more implacable than a Zionist (Israelite). . .just ask Jesus.

 

[Elin]

It's a curious thing that Zone has no intentions to edify others the same way you have of her. In fact she has condemned many others, who are your brothers and sisters in Christ, and treated them with disgust because they adhere to the principles of dispensational truth and do not budge from that position. Do you think she has need of them and you want to edify her when she couldn't care less of those who she continually condemns? That is not preserving the unity of the Spirit nor is it edifying the body in the Spirit of truth or in the love of God. Our love should be according to judgment and knowledge
without thinking and speaking evil of others. Is she able to make that claim in your eyes?

Mt 7:3-5 is ringing in my ears. . .

 

[BradC]

Mt 7:3-5 is ringing in my ears. . .

Zone knows exactly how I feel and and what I believe about speaking evil and she leads the way. She does not like being treated the same way she treats others and for that matter neither do you. So what you have to say goes in one ear and out the other without taking up any space in my brain matter. Get my drift, Oh slick one?

 

[Elin]

The end will not come until the fulness of the Gentiles has come in (Rom 11:25) and all of Israel is saved (Rom 11:26), which will take us to the second coming of Christ when he will appear and all shall see him as he is and those who pierced him will repent and mourn. It was not the Gentiles who pierced him who will be mourning, it is the Jews of Israel as those mourning for their only son (Zech 12:10).

psychomom & unclefester - Are you going to stand up for the truth or are you going to get sucked into an empty vacuum without the promises of God for the restoration of the nation, kingdom and people of Israel when Christ comes back with salvation and deliverance for Jacob?

God's promise of restoration of the nation were fulfilled in their return from exile
in the restoration of Jerusalem, its walls, temple, and the law (Ne 12:43).

There is no Biblical warrant for another restoration of the nation Israel,
apart from the uncertain private interpretation of prophetic riddles
which can be, and are, interpreted by others to mean things entirely different.

The only future restoration presented by the certain and unequivocal teaching of Scripture
is the restoration of the original creation in the new creation
(Ac 3:21 Mt 17:11, 19:28 w/ 1Co 6:2-3; Eph 1:9-10),
not the restoration of Israel, which is based on uncertain private interpretation of prophetic riddles.

The restoration of Israel was a pre-figure of the beginning of restoration of all creation in the NT
(2Co 5:17; Gal 6:15).
The fulfillment of the ages is in the Church (1Co 10:11), the new creation (2Co 5:17; Gal 6:15),
not in a future restoration of Israel.

The notion of a future restoration of Israel shifts the focus, emphasis and purpose of God
from the excellency of his plan in Christ Jesus and his new creation, the Church
(which includes the spirits of the OT saints, Heb 9:22-23)
to a supposed plan for a future earthly restoration of Israel.

It sees the promise to Abraham of Ge 12:3 (to be a blessing to all nations)
to be fulfilled in a future restoration of Israel, rather than in the promised Seed, Jesus Christ!
(Ge 3:15: Ac 3:25-26; Ro 15:8; Gal 3:8)

It removes Jesus Christ from the center of God's plan and replaces him with Israel.
Anathema! (Gal 1:7-9)

 

[Elin]

Mt 7:3-5 is ringing in my ears.

Zone knows exactly how I feel and and what I believe about speaking evil and she leads the way. She does not like being treated the same way she treats others and
for that matter neither do you. So what you have to say goes in one ear and out the other without taking up any space in my brain matter. Get my drift, Oh slick one?

The ringing is getting louder. . .

 

[Elin]

Zone knows exactly how I feel and and what I believe about speaking evil and she leads the way. She does not like being treated the same way she treats others and for that matter neither do you. So what you have to say goes in one ear and out the other without taking up any space in my brain matter. Get my drift, Oh slick one?

So that's how you justify your failure to address my Biblical argument, following?

The pre-trib. Rapture and Premillennialism are Bibilcal and it
is the only system which the Holy Bible teaches.

Please show pre-trib from certain and unequivocal NT teaching,
not from uncertain private interpretation of prophetic riddles,
which can be, and are, interpreted by others to mean things entirely different.

I do not find such teaching in the NT.

The teaching I do find is totally to the contrary.

ChosenbyHim, you do not have to show or prove a single thing to any of those who remain foolish hearted and have hangups because of their unbelief. Let them be who they are and live with their own leaven corrupting others with their foolish doctrine. Keep building yourself up in the most holy faith and in the love of God and let them wrestle with these things to their own hurt.

Rich. . .

It can't be done.

There is no fruit and no benefit in Christ arguing with you and others about this.
Go your way and believe as you wish and leave the others alone. Take your doctrine and go build a church with it, if you think it is of God and according to the scriptures. Let us know how fervent the believers are who you have given the gospel and led to Christ and the kind of relationship they have with the Lord. That is the proof and the fruit of a Spirit filled and Spirit led life that is constrained by the love of God and the gospel of Jesus Christ and him crucified. If we abide in Christ and his words abide in us then we will bear MUCH fruit and that fruit will remain.

Do you not think NT teaching can stand on its own merit?

Do you think that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and the shed blood of that cross can stand on its own merit and finished work in providing salvation, cleansing and the forgiveness of sins that took place under the New Testament?

Relevance?

I find no pre-trib in the presentation of those things.

 

[BradC]

So that's how you justify your failure to address my Biblical argument, following?


Relevance?

I find no pre-trib in the presentation of those things.

There is no reason to rehearse in your ear what you have no ear to hear. That would be foolishness on our part. You will go your way as others have done and as the scriptures teach your works will follow. The Holy Spirit gives the believer an anticipation and expectation of Christ's return to be like him as they put on immortality and incorruption. This promise and expectation can not be taken from the believer who remains in sound doctrine and continues in the faith they have received from God. They are immovable and steadfast in the faith and have discernment concerning all things of the Spirit. If they fail they fall into grace and rebound right back into fellowship. They esteem the promises of God and refuse to let any doctrine that denies those promises to enter into their thought life and walk of faith. They do not worry or fret in this life as a practice because they are busy looking at those things that are eternal and not observed by sight.

 

[Elin]

The pre-trib. Rapture and Premillennialism are Bibilcal and it
is the only system which the Holy Bible teaches.

Please show pre-trib from certain and unequivocal NT teaching,
not from uncertain private interpretation of prophetic riddles,
which can be, and are, interpreted by others to mean things entirely different.

I do not find such teaching in the NT.

The teaching I do find is totally to the contrary.

ChosenbyHim, you do not have to show or prove a single thing to any of those who remain foolish hearted and have hangups because of their unbelief. Let them be who they are and live with their own leaven corrupting others with their foolish doctrine. Keep building yourself up in the most holy faith and in the love of God and let them wrestle with these things to their own hurt.

Rich. . .

It can't be done.

There is no reason to rehearse in your ear what you have no ear to hear.

Agreed. . .because it is impossible for you to comply with my request, blue text above.

It can't be done.

But don't let the fact that you cannot show pre-trib from certain and unequivocal Biblcial teaching
deter you from believing this man-made doctrine.

On the other hand, I can show to the contrary from certain and unequivocal Biblical teaching.

 

[zone]

Zone, concerning the way you deal with some nasty Dispensationalist in here, I must apologize to you (though I've never said any thing to you about it); I'll just say I see now why you do it!!!!! One can never speak to a true Zionist civil while disagreeing with them. Much love my Sister!

peacefeul is nice - we have no problem talking.
i like her; i hope the feeling is mututal.
even if not, i still think she's lovely.

as for one certain other - well....i'm not called to be all sweetness and light and lovey to false teachers who teach false gospels.
and i'm not called to be particularly receptive to creepy stalking.

 

[zone]

Zone knows exactly how I feel and and what I believe about speaking evil and she leads the way. She does not like being treated the same way she treats others and for that matter neither do you. So what you have to say goes in one ear and out the other without taking up any space in my brain matter. Get my drift, Oh slick one?

now, would you run and get me a coffee, there Redster?

 

[zone]

It sees the promise to Abraham of Ge 12:3 (to be a blessing to all nations)
to be fulfilled in a future restoration of Israel, rather than in the promised Seed, Jesus Christ!
(Ge 3:15: Ac 3:25-26; Ro 15:8; Gal 3:8)

It removes Jesus Christ from the center of God's plan and replaces him with Israel.
Anathema! (Gal 1:7-9)

........10

 

[BradC]

Agreed. . .because it is impossible for you to comply with my request, blue text above.

It can't be done.

But don't let the fact that you cannot show pre-trib from certain and unequivocal Biblcial teaching
deter you from believing this man-made doctrine.

On the other hand, I can show to the contrary from certain and unequivocal Biblical teaching.

It has been done many times over by the testimony of many on this site but you, Zone and others want nothing to do with it, because you abhor anything that has to do with dispensational truth. Like Zone so often likes to say, 'Can't help you'.

 

[jag1977]

Indication of the fruits of God.

 

[2Thewaters]

Reject false doctrines and mans interpretation

Believe the bible, believe what the bible says.

2474. Israel, is-rah-ale'; of Heb. or. [H3478];
Israel (i.e. Jisrael),
the adopted name of Jacob,
includ. his desc. (lit. or fig.):--
Israel.

Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, father.
Rom 8:16 The spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with christ;
if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.


We are Jews if we are adopted in the Beloved.

 

[2Thewaters]

Mark 9:24 Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

It has been done many times over by the testimony of many on this site but you, Zone and others want nothing to do with it, because you abhor anything that has to do with dispensational truth. Like Zone so often likes to say, 'Can't help you'.

Dispensational truth? Now that's an oxymoron!
Blessing in this new year!

 

[PennEd]

This video does a good job of explaining how we should deal with the FACT that the Jews are in the Holy land and called Israel.

It can be boiled down to:What was intended for evil God intended for good.

[video=youtube;hEwBZTtnzo8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEwBZTtnzo8[/video]

 

[zone]

This video does a good job of explaining how we should deal with the FACT that the Jews are in the Holy land and called Israel.

It can be boiled down to:What was intended for evil God intended for good.

[video=youtube;hEwBZTtnzo8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEwBZTtnzo8[/video]

read this and tell me if this is how God delivered the israelites out of Egypt.


THE ISRAEL LOBBY AND U.S. FOREIGN POLICY
John J. Mearsheimer, Stephen M. Walt
http://mearsheimer.uchicago.edu/pdfs/IsraelLobby.pdf

or if God made a decree anywhere in Scripture that Jews would return to palestine in 1948 ' hint - He didnt (and that even while denying Christ they would murder and bulldoze everything that moves...did God ever accept that from the TRUE Israelites, n.m. converts to Judaism).

ISRAEL (all 12 tribes) returned to the land in time for Jesus and those who received ALL the promises - received them.
those who didnt were baptized with fire...and didnt receive the promise.

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

Grammar police:

That's "I would have". . .not "I would of," or "I'd of."

This error is getting to be quite common.

Still a good post, though.

I said I was a Hillbilly!
I'll work on this!