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I keep them, and strive to do more, but not for my salvation.
This is why you are lost. Because you believe your salvation is on your own effort in fulfilling the Law.
I follow the Law of God, and encourage others to do so, not out of fear of hell, but out of appreciation for heaven.
(and fear of God's discipline in this life)
Your lack of freedom is dependent on your enslavement to the Law, which all are freed from if they accept the sacrifice of Christ.
This is why you are lost. Because you believe your salvation is on your own effort in fulfilling the Law.
I follow the Law of God, and encourage others to do so, not out of fear of hell, but out of appreciation for heaven.
(and fear of God's discipline in this life)
Your lack of freedom is dependent on your enslavement to the Law, which all are freed from if they accept the sacrifice of Christ.
Actually, I believe that the Espistles completely agree with Jesus, who is in complete agreement with the Torah.
If our interpretation of the Epistles leads us to come against Jesus' words regarding the Law, our interpretation is wrong.
If our interpretation of Jesus' words leads us to come against the Torah, our interpretation of Jesus is wrong.
God told His people to follow the Law forever.
Jesus told His followers to follow the Law until heaven and earth pass away.
The Epistles HAVE to (and do, in my opinion) agree with this if we're to believe they're inspired by God. Any other conclusion we draw from the Epistles is faulty.
God said forever, Jesus said forever and never spoke against the Law. The Epistles agree. The fact that Jesus didn't address the Sabbath or other OT commands doesn't negate them. It means He has nothing to add to them. The foundation and truth was already laid out by Himself in the OT.
If our interpretation of the Epistles leads us to come against Jesus' words regarding the Law, our interpretation is wrong.
If our interpretation of Jesus' words leads us to come against the Torah, our interpretation of Jesus is wrong.
God told His people to follow the Law forever.
Jesus told His followers to follow the Law until heaven and earth pass away.
The Epistles HAVE to (and do, in my opinion) agree with this if we're to believe they're inspired by God. Any other conclusion we draw from the Epistles is faulty.
God said forever, Jesus said forever and never spoke against the Law. The Epistles agree. The fact that Jesus didn't address the Sabbath or other OT commands doesn't negate them. It means He has nothing to add to them. The foundation and truth was already laid out by Himself in the OT.
Well, here goes another round of criticism for me but then, I have never really cared much what people think of me...
Anyhoo, what is the state of Israel currently?
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear
unto this day.
They cannot see the truth because God has blinded them. Why?
Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
They are blinded so that God can have mercy on them in the future. They have been blinded by God and will receive mercy.
We also read...
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Notice the old is obsolete and READY to vanish away? It hasn't, it is just ready to. There is a big difference between being ready to and already have. If you are ready to die, is that the same as having died? Big difference.
There are still under the only Covenant they can see or understand. Who is responsible for that?
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
Rom 11:8 Just as it is written: "GOD HAS GIVEN THEM A SPIRIT OF STUPOR, EYES THAT THEY SHOULD NOT SEE AND EARS THAT THEY SHOULD NOT HEAR, TO THIS VERY DAY."
So, is God a Covenant breaker or Covenant keeper? Will Israel be under the Old Covenant until God grants them sight and understanding? Or will He just go back on His word and discard them for what they had no control over?
Anyhoo, what is the state of Israel currently?
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear
unto this day. They cannot see the truth because God has blinded them. Why?
Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
They are blinded so that God can have mercy on them in the future. They have been blinded by God and will receive mercy.
We also read...
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Notice the old is obsolete and READY to vanish away? It hasn't, it is just ready to. There is a big difference between being ready to and already have. If you are ready to die, is that the same as having died? Big difference.
There are still under the only Covenant they can see or understand. Who is responsible for that?
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
Rom 11:8 Just as it is written: "GOD HAS GIVEN THEM A SPIRIT OF STUPOR, EYES THAT THEY SHOULD NOT SEE AND EARS THAT THEY SHOULD NOT HEAR, TO THIS VERY DAY."
So, is God a Covenant breaker or Covenant keeper? Will Israel be under the Old Covenant until God grants them sight and understanding? Or will He just go back on His word and discard them for what they had no control over?
You've got some serious studying, reckoning and reconciling of Scripture to do.
LT, where in scripture do you find the word legalist? Please, put down that guitar and pick up a Bible. "Legalist" is a term not in scripture. It is used by anti-nomians (those opposed to the Law of the Lord) as a type of smear against those who expose New Age evangelicals. Remember, "sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4). Please read Psalm 1, Psalm 119, Matthew 5:17-19; 7:21-23 on the Law of the Lord. These clearly tell us that it was, and would not, be abrogated, "for sin is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4). What you are advocating therefore, is legalized sin. Please reconsider.
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Attacking me personally for having a guitar?
Somebody sounds jelly...
'legalist' is not a Biblical term, but it aptly describes one who has faith in works for salvation. Should we go through your posts and notice every word that is not a Bible quote?.
Anti-nomian? New age? Evangelical? Guitar? XD
If you believe works are involved in salvation, you reject all of the Epistles, and you reject the work of Christ.
Is there any more that can be said?
You scoff, as if I have been brainwashed. Your lack of understanding amuses me, but your harsh words annoy.
You claim that I am misled, but yet you have no flaw to bring against me, except my musical ability and my youth.
Somebody sounds jelly...
'legalist' is not a Biblical term, but it aptly describes one who has faith in works for salvation. Should we go through your posts and notice every word that is not a Bible quote?.
Anti-nomian? New age? Evangelical? Guitar? XD
If you believe works are involved in salvation, you reject all of the Epistles, and you reject the work of Christ.
Is there any more that can be said?
You scoff, as if I have been brainwashed. Your lack of understanding amuses me, but your harsh words annoy.
You claim that I am misled, but yet you have no flaw to bring against me, except my musical ability and my youth.
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Isayah 5:20, "Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteous evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."
iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."
Why would the world be cursed and BURNED for "transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance" if the Law were done away/changed?
NT parallel to show Isayah 24 is endtime prophecy.......that is future.
Mattithyah 24:21-22, "For then will be great tribulation, such as has not come to pass since the beginning of the world to this time--no, nor ever will be. And unless those days were shortened, there would no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened."
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."
iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."
Why would the world be cursed and BURNED for "transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance" if the Law were done away/changed?
NT parallel to show Isayah 24 is endtime prophecy.......that is future.
Mattithyah 24:21-22, "For then will be great tribulation, such as has not come to pass since the beginning of the world to this time--no, nor ever will be. And unless those days were shortened, there would no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened."
In order to understand scripture, the whole of scripture must be looked at, and when one verse is said to cancel our many verses, then there is misunderstanding. All scripture agrees that Christ gave a superior way to redemption, that part is confirmed. Now we must know that something is obsolete, and find out what. Is the entire scripture giving us the principles of God obsolete? Of course not. Are we to learn to get rid of God because God sent His Son? Of course not. We learn that at the resurrection, Christ led the saints who were asleep to paradise with Him. Christ was a better way. But those saints were loved and cared for before, they didn't say that every way they knew God before was wrong because now I am, through Christ, going to heaven.
We are to look to scripture to find out exactly what Christ did, and exactly how Christ changed our world. When people say that Christ wiped everything out, every law, every covenant, and created our world completely new, they are denying scripture. God wasn't inferior and ineffective for 4,000 years, and a new God arrived as some are saying.
We are to look to scripture to find out exactly what Christ did, and exactly how Christ changed our world. When people say that Christ wiped everything out, every law, every covenant, and created our world completely new, they are denying scripture. God wasn't inferior and ineffective for 4,000 years, and a new God arrived as some are saying.
