Attack of the Judaizers

[JaumeJ]

The law leads all who believe to the Lamab of Yahweh. Have you never yearned to see an old teaher from a course you really love. Do you not hold dear memories and love for any teacher or professor who took time to insure you learned what you loved so much? If not, you are very different from most avid students. Try thinking about your teachers and professors, and I am certain at least one will stand out as very special, and that in a subject you like.

Yes, the law was our tutor, our teacher, but pointing to Yeshua, we realize we must go on with the knowledge given us by the Law and perfected by Jesus Christ. I feel very bad for anyone who does not possess this realization.

The law was that school teacher that lead to Christ, who fulfilled the law as the one who they were to be lead to. The law has no power to impart eternal life. The law cannot forgive or remove sin. The law cannot provide communion for the believer or justify him. The law cannot make a man righteous. The only thing the law can do, which was the purpose it was given, is to make sin exceedingly sinful so that man would be lead to Christ. When sin abounded because of transgression, grace abounded much more that we might have life through Christ.

The law was weak through the flesh, but God sending his Son in the likeness of sinful flesh condemned sin in his flesh. The law condemned the person for transgressions but Christ condemned the sin the law revealed with his own flesh on the cross. This is why we are not under the law but under grace because Christ condemned sin in his flesh. The Spirit now convicts the heart of sin above what the law could ever do. Any righteousness that God would impute or impart to the believer is not based upon the letter of the law but upon the Spirit of life.

 

[WomanLovesTX]

You are forgetting that Jesus as a jew was under the Mosaic law up until his death and resurrection. After that He was not obligated to observe sabbath. So of course He would go to sabbath.

The sabbath was given to the jews and it was never given to gentiles.

You say "The sabbath was given to the jews and it was never given to gentiles." Define gentiles? Define Jews?

The Bible says (not I) that the Sabbath was given before the Ten Commandments were given. It was given to all 12 tribes of Israelites (Not to just the tribe of Judah) and those who were strangers and sojourners from Egypt with them. Those non-Israelites were "Gentiles".

Your statement is offensive because it does not reflect truth. You made that up and therefore are adding to the word of God.

 

[BradC]

I agree with everything you said, but I have 2 rhetorical questions. If the law was our schoolmaster, and we fail to understand it in the way it was originally intended, what tool do we now use to lead non believers to Christ since the schoolmaster is no longer needed because we have faith? I see this as a conundrum of sorts. By neglecting the schoolmaster are we propagating false conversions using a different way than what God has given to advance His Kingdom?

We present to them the gospel of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. We go straight to the gospel because we have a record. He was born of a virgin, God made in the likeness of sinful flesh as Emanuel, dwelling among men. The law is not the means needed as a school master to lead to Christ for the Word became flesh and we have the record to believe and follow.

 

[BradC]

The law leads all who believe to the Lamab of Yahweh. Have you never yearned to see an old teaher from a course you really love. Do you not hold dear memories and love for any teacher or professor who took time to insure you learned what you loved so much? If not, you are very different from most avid students. Try thinking about your teachers and professors, and I am certain at least one will stand out as very special, and that in a subject you like.

Yes, the law was our tutor, our teacher, but pointing to Yeshua, we realize we must go on with the knowledge given us by the Law and perfected by Jesus Christ. I feel very bad for anyone who does not possess this realization.

If I went to my teacher who taught me from the old textbook and now there is a new textbook with the complete revelation of what the old was trying to communicate, I would hope that he would show me the new and explain the revelation to me so that I could know and see what the old was unable to reveal to me.

 

[JaumeJ]

You mention death, burial and ressurection, and the story is related in the Gospels, but the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the Good News. Salvation is free and plentiful to all mankind who will accept and believe Jesus Christ in Spirit and truth. We only have but to believe in the Only Begotten Son of the Most High God and we are saved. This is the Gospel, the Good News.

Imanu (with us) El (God) is what people said of Him, Jesus, fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah that He would be called "God with us." Review Isaiah 9 also.

As for the law being the school master or not being, you will have to take that one up with Paul also, since you are connected.

As for your quote of the Word becoming flesh, perhaps you should read on in John 1 where this is found and you will find, He was not recognized by most ergo His death sentence on the cross fulfilling all righteousness, for it was finished, His reason for coming to man.

We present to them the gospel of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. We go straight to the gospel because we have a record. He was born of a virgin, God made in the likeness of sinful flesh as Emanuel, dwelling among men. The law is not the means needed as a school master to lead to Christ for the Word became flesh and we have the record to believe and follow.

 

[dcontroversal]

People who hate Jews won't like it in heaven
There will be a lot of Jews there
and they will keep the Sabbath...
Read your
Jewish Bible

If you repent it may be Jesus will adopt you,
repentance means saying sorry for anti-Jewish sentiments.

I like the one that states, "If you cannot love your brother whom you can see, how can you say you love God whom you cannot see." There will be no Jew haters in heaven especially since Jesus was Jewish and You have to Love Jesus to make it to Heaven...(That is assuming you believe on HIM) Jesus that is!

 

[john832]

If I went to my teacher who taught me from the old textbook and now there is a new textbook with the complete revelation of what the old was trying to communicate, I would hope that he would show me the new and explain the revelation to me so that I could know and see what the old was unable to reveal to me.

Classic false premise. The New did not replace the Old, it was to give us a spiritual understanding of the old.

 

[JaumeJ]

The law leads all who believe to the Lamab of Yahweh. Have you never yearned to see an old teaher from a course you really love. Do you not hold dear memories and love for any teacher or professor who took time to insure you learned what you loved so much? If not, you are very different from most avid students. Try thinking about your teachers and professors, and I am certain at least one will stand out as very special, and that in a subject you like.

Yes, the law was our tutor, our teacher, but pointing to Yeshua, we realize we must go on with the knowledge given us by the Law and perfected by Jesus Christ. I feel very bad for anyone who does not possess this realization.

If I went to my teacher who taught me from the old textbook and now there is a new textbook with the complete revelation of what the old was trying to communicate, I would hope that he would show me the new and explain the revelation to me so that I could know and see what the old was unable to reveal to me.

Read what I have posted and see how you have twisted the meaning to another analogy. If this is how you understand something so simple, well, the rest is obviated by your actions.

 

[WomanLovesTX]

And yet Jesus Christ said...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

The Gospel and the Law are inextricably bound together.

Perhaps it is Yeshua/Jesus' Gospel of the Kingdom of God/Heaven and the Law (law of the kingdom) that are inextricably bound together. The Gospel to many Christians is only about the person of Christ and not His message and His laws of the restored Kingdom with Christ being the One King of that restored Kingdom. We are in preparation now for the Kingdom to come on Earth. Who will inherit the Kingdom?

(Mat 25:34) Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

(1Co 6:9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

(1Co 6:10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

(1Co 15:50) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions [SUP]G1370[/SUP], heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


G1370
διχοστασία
dichostasia
dee-khos-tas-ee'-ah
From a derivative of G1364 and G4714; disunion, that is, (figuratively) dissension: - division, sedition.

Who will not inherit the kingdom?

 

[Elin]

Just asking questions, and then all can learn from them.

So do you think it was part of God’s perfect plan to have His Words downgraded by His own son?

God's plan was to temporarily add (Ro 5:20; Gal 4:9) the Sinaitic Covenant and the Mosaic law on
which it was based, with its unavoidable and, therefore, inseparable curse (Dt 27:26; Gal 3:10, 13),
to the Abrahmaic Covenant.

God's plan was to make the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant obsolete (Heb 8:13) and
to set aside the Mosaic law with its curse (Heb 7:18-19)
at the inauguration of the New Covenant (Lk 22:20) in the poured-out blood of Christ Jesus.

God's plan was to replace the Mosaic law and its necessary curse with
the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39), which has no curse (a huge difference between the two, Ro 8:1)
and which fulfills (accomplishes) the Mosaic law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:10).

Those in Christ are under Christ's law, which has no curse for imperfect obedience,
and are not under the set-aside Mosaic law with its curse.

The Sabbath is fulfilled in Christ for all those in Christ,
for he is our Sabbath; i.e, our rest from our own work (to save)
as God rested from his own work (to create). (Heb 4:9-10)

However, those in Christ do assemble together (Heb 10:25)
for prayer, worship, fellowship, instruction and participation in the Lord's Supper,
they do obey the law of Christ, which fulfills (accomplishes) the whole law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8),
and they do set themselves apart from sin and to God.

Nothing is lost in the Christian life with setting aside of the Mosaic law with its curse,
and replacing it with the law of Christ which has no curse.

 

[RedTent]

For everyone here who preaches to get anything Jewish out of our worship of God, have you thought about that God created that race for our benefit? Through the about 2,000 years since Christ we have killed them for that, we have often made them support our governments, and just read these posts to see how anything Jewish is looked at!

Paul, a devout and practicing Jew, is quoted over and over as supporting this because God told him to not teach the rituals that brought to mind the spiritual truths, but go direct to the truths.

Well, the church got rid of the rituals and the spiritual truths the rituals were to teach. No one is kosher, but they also go to movies with pure filth in them. No one puts up a mezuzah, but they also allow fighting and TV filth in their homes, and don't think of it as a place God is present in. They aren't circumcised physically, but o one thinks of being circumcised spiritually, either. Paul didn't say God commanded you to never do anything to help you make these things part of your everyday life, God said the reminders were nothing, it was doing what the reminders told us of.

 

[JaumeJ]

Are you here to troll or are you going to acknowledge the responses to some of the posts answering yours? Are you here simply to continue making outrageous claims of teaching while others are giving you scriptural support on subjects you have brought up? Here, pleae respond before this tea kettle frenzy warms up again.

The mysteries of Christ and the church were not written or foretold in the OT scriptures. These mysteries were by in large revealed to the apostle Paul for the church which was for the believing Jew and Gentile. The blood and body of Christ is the communion of the NT believer and was never partaken of until Christ administered this to his disciple just prior to the cross (eat my flesh and drink my blood). There was no life for the NT believer without it. The Jews did not have this communion under the law of Moses and many were offended by the very thought of it.

If this was available to them prior to the cross, you need to show me and make it plain if possible. The communion we have is far superior to that of the Israelite under the law of Moses or what was accomplished by the high priest in the holy of holies. The Holy Spirit indwells every NT believer and it is the Spirit that makes this communion possible. This communion is eternal redemption that was obtained for us and we received it by faith through the administration of the Spirit and not according to the letter of the law. We have access to the holy of holies by the blood of Christ as NT believers. He is our high priest who gives us access for communion with the living God.

Show me one teaching or prophesy from Moses or any of the OT prophets that foretold of the mystery of Christ and the church.

You may begin with the Psalms. then look linto the Proverbs. Again, Zechariah. Now look at what Yahweh said to Abraham about his descendants possessing the Gate of their enemies. When finished with these, read the Old testament, Jesus is everywhere there, that is if the veil of Moses is not blinding the reader.

Psalm 22 has the story of the crucifixion of Yeshua.

Psalm 2 asks us to kiss the Son.

In Proverbs we are asked Who has ascended to heaven and more asking, what is His name and What is His Son's name if you can tell me?

Yeshua is mentioned by name in Zechariah 3, only it is an older form of His name, it is the same name. In this chapter He accepts the mission given to Him to save mankind from His sins, in one day.

I am not going to give you everything because you come in here telling folks what to read not having learned the entire Word, and this my friend is frowned upon in the Proverbs' wisdom.

 

[Elin]

This is a prophecy about Messiah Yahshua!

Isayah 42:21,
"Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable."

And that he did absolutely, completely and totally in his Son, who
lived a life obedience to the law (Pentateuch),
died to pay for sin according to the law,
when he arose, explained who he was by the law and the prophets,
and presented himself to the Jews as the fulfiller of the law.

The law could not have been more magnified nor made more honorable than in Christ's fulfillment of it.

 

[Elin]

Are you sure about that?

"Everything that lives and moves will be food for you." (Ge 9:3)

Based on the fact that God knew Noah was not an idiot and that he knew what's clean and edible did He say that. If Noah had a pork chop then pigs would have gone the way of dinosaur.

That is your personal assumption.

Please provide Scriptures for your basis.

The clean animals in the ark were for the purpose of sacrifice, not for eating.

There is no Biblical basis before Lev for a change in God's command in Ge 9:3,

and the regulations of Lev were temporarily added (Ro 5:20; Gal 4:9), as was the Sinaitic Covenant,

and were removed in the NT (Mk 7:19), taking us back again to God's original command in Ge 9:3.

 

[Elin]

Yes it's accomplished, completed, done so
He's merely killing time talking about murder, adultery, divorce, oaths etc.

See post #550 addressing your gross misunderstanding of God's law in Christ.

 

[Elin]

Some guy with a fish hat, Yahweh never made a distinction nor did Yahshua.

Marvelous grasp of the obvious. . .or just nonsense.

There were no apostolic Scriptures during the life of Jesus.

 

[Historicist]

Recently I have noticed a greater influence of modern day Judaizers here at CC. A Modern Judaizer is that believes another gospel. They believe and post another gospel of Christ plus a portion of mosaic law. Paul wrote the book of Galatians to counter Judaizers of his day.

Paul wrote:
The false gospel of the Judaizers never leads one to salvation. They teach a contradiction of grace plus law. The Galation Judaizers taught that one must follow Christ and be circumcised. Today the modern Judaizers teach "Christ plus sabbath observance" or "Christ plus Kosher foods", etc. What they do not realize is that any gospel message of Christ plus anything is a false Gospel. A little leaven leavens the whole dough.

This is why Paul wrote:
This false gospel severs a person from salvation. They are not fit for the kingdom and those who follow them are at risk of being cut off from Christ.

I never wish to get into a debate over denominational theology because some things do not cause a loss of salvation. On the other hand, I feel compelled to warn Judaizers in hopes they turn from the false gospel to the true gospel which saves.

danschance, you would do well to read some Christian history before commenting on some of the things you do. Many of your interpretations disagree with those of the church fathers, the Protestant reformers, and evangelical greats as recent as Charles H. Spurgeon. All of these recognized that the moral law (fourth commandment sabbath, etc.) was not one and the same with the ceremonial law (circumcision, feast day sabbaths, etc.), that which is emphasized in Galations. Neither did these men futurized Daniel's 70th week prophecy in order to create a second chance for the Khazar imposters you believe are Jews and "Israel." Neither, unlike you, did they promote the idea that Jesus descends, but goes back to heaven (rapture teaching) and descends again---a third time! Please, wake up to the fact that your futuristic, and your antinomian interpretations were not held by evangelical leaders until recent times.

 

[john832]

God's plan was to temporarily add (Ro 5:20; Gal 4:9) the Sinaitic Covenant and the Mosaic law on
which it was based, with its unavoidable and, therefore, inseparable curse (Dt 27:26; Gal 3:10, 13),
to the Abrahmaic Covenant.

God's plan was to make the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant obsolete (Heb 8:13) and
to set aside the Mosaic law with its curse (Heb 7:18-19)
at the inauguration of the New Covenant (Lk 22:20) in the poured-out blood of Christ Jesus.

God's plan was to replace the Mosaic law and its necessary curse with
the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39), which has no curse (a huge difference between the two, Ro 8:1)
and which fulfills (accomplishes) the Mosaic law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:10).

Those in Christ are under Christ's law, which has no curse for imperfect obedience,
and are not under the set-aside Mosaic law with its curse.

The Sabbath is fulfilled in Christ for all those in Christ,
for he is our Sabbath; i.e, our rest from our own work (to save)
as God rested from his own work (to create). (Heb 4:9-10)

However, those in Christ do assemble together (Heb 10:25)
for prayer, worship, fellowship, instruction and participation in the Lord's Supper,
they do obey the law of Christ, which fulfills (accomplishes) the whole law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8),
and they do set themselves apart from sin and to God.

Nothing is lost in the Christian life with setting aside of the Mosaic law with its curse,
and replacing it with the law of Christ which has no curse.

Since it was Christ who spoke the Ten Commandments on Mt. Sinai, perhaps you can explain why He decided to say "Oops, my bad. People were put to death for breaking these Laws that I have decided to do away with, but aren't you glad I have rectified my mistake back then? Oh and that "not a jot or tittle thing", fooled ya didn't I?"

 

[Elin]

Yeshua lived out Moses and the Prophets. Moses and the Prophets were center stage in all of what Yeshua did and taught.

Someone posted Jesus Christ was under the Laws from Moses' writings. Think about this disturbing thought.

If Jesus Christ were under those laws, He broke them. Yes, and any child knows who is familiar with Him and with those cited laws.

Hint, according to the Law, anyone caught in adultery is to be stoned to death, that is at the witness of two or more.

You need to review all its regulations before you assert your personal piety above the actions of Jesus in stating that he broke that law.

 

[chubbena]

See post #550 addressing your gross misunderstanding of God's law in Christ.

I saw cut and paste of various bible verses out of context to support one's doctrine. 1st century believers didn't have the cut and paste buttons. They didn't even have the last 27 books.