Attack of the Judaizers

[JesusLives]

Scriptural basis for eating anything in heaven?

Revelation 22:2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

You might want to read the whole chapter of Revelation 22 as it is a great chapter. Anyway if the tree of life is yielding fruit it is a safe assumption that fruit is on the diet.

 

[JesusLives]

Which were the clean animals?

Check out Leviticus gives lists of all kinds of clean and unclean animals.

 

[JesusLives]

No Biblical basis has been shown for that in this thread.


Yes, and Peter converted 3,000 in one sermon, something Jesus never did.

Exodus chapters 19 and 20 Getting the people ready to be around Mt. Sinai and the God speaks the commandments in chapter 20 - Now the biblical base is in this thread.

Peter preached but I would imagine that it was the Holy Spirit doing the convicting and converting.

 

[JesusLives]

The law of Christ is the law of God (1Co 9:21).

I still don't get why everyone is trying to change what was written in stone by God's own finger. My Bible tells me God does not change. I'm baffled.

 

[JesusLives]

lol hehe

I eat meat - I'm willing to give it up and this looks good to me. We will have fruit also - tree of life - I would imagine nuts and grains too. The original diet that Adam and Eve had in the Garden of Eden.

 

[Hizikyah]

I still don't get why everyone is trying to change what was written in stone by God's own finger. My Bible tells me God does not change. I'm baffled.

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; bitterly opposed to, Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

 

[danschance]

The law of God the 10 commandments written by God is not the law of Moses that Moses wrote. You can avoid and try to change the Bible but you cannot.

LOL, that is such a childish claim! Don't you realize what I am saying? The laws of Moses were given thru Moses by God. I never once implied Moses chiseled out the 10 commandments in his garage. Please be an adult about words and definitions.

 

[Laodicea]

LOL, that is such a childish claim! Don't you realize what I am saying? The laws of Moses were given thru Moses by God. I never once implied Moses chiseled out the 10 commandments in his garage. Please be an adult about words and definitions.

You will try anything to do away with the sabbath and your lack of knowledge or ignorance shows.

Exodus 31:18 KJV
(18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Deuteronomy 31:24 KJV
(24) And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,

Here it is before you. The 10 commandments were written by God while Moses wrote other laws.

 

[john832]

How did we get from Heb 8:13 to Rev?

Seems some concepts are difficult, including the idea that to God a short period of time can seem long to us.

 

[john832]

Christ's death fulfilled the ceremonial laws of Moses. As an example of what this means The Mosiac law of circumcision of the foreskin has been changed to circumcision of the Heart. The temple in Jerusalem was changed to our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and so on. I have posted on this several times before on this thread. Here is a link that explains this in greater detail. What does it mean that Jesus fulfilled the law, but did not abolish it?

The Mosiac laws were never meant to be permanent and the mosaic ceremonial laws have no hold on NT Christians.

16Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. Col. 2

You have a little problem with timing trying to apply Col 2:16-17 here. This was written twenty some years AFTER you supposed fulfillment of all this and it is still FUTURE TENSE! It is still looking forward to something.

 

[BradC]

The curse is not lifted on those who transgress. Example, if one breaks fornication or animal husbandry Law, they will eventually catch a STD. If one lies they will pay for it in one way or another. Stealing, etc.

Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

Messiah did not lift the curse so one could transgress continually and there would be no curse, He lifted the curse for those who would accept the blood of Messiah and turn to obedience.

Hebrews 10:26-30, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Those who rejected the Law given through Mosheh died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished, who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, and has counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing, and who has insulted the Spirit of mercy? For we know Him Who has said: Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says Yahweh. And again: Yahweh will judge His people."

All these things for the NT believer fall under man bearing his own burden and if he sows to the flesh he shall of the flesh reap corruption, that which is perishable and counted as nothing. The believer can sow to the flesh and their are two kinds of corruption he can reap, one in this life and one in the next life to come when he will suffer the loss of rewards, how he reigns with Christ and even his part in partaking of the tree of life. In this life, corruption has to do with what his body of flesh will be subject to as part of the outward man that is perishing and it will not involve long life or any grace associated with death. The body in the next life will have put on incorruption and immortality but the degree of glory within and without the body will not be the same as others just as we see in the glory of the stars in how they differ from one another in their set reign in heaven. The level of joy will also be different in its fulness of glory, but all will have joy and will have entered into the joy of the Lord in the kingdom of God that they have inherited and been given through the justice of God.

 

[john832]

LOL, that is such a childish claim! Don't you realize what I am saying? The laws of Moses were given thru Moses by God. I never once implied Moses chiseled out the 10 commandments in his garage. Please be an adult about words and definitions.

So, the Law that God (Christ) spoke from Mt. Sinai is almost the Law of God, all except the fourth one?

 

[jag1977]

The problem with the passover is with most it never ends. Its year round every year. Didn't exodus occur thousands of years ago? If that be true and you are who you see you then why you stuck in leaving bondage?

 

[jag1977]

Why ye be he whoeth not loveth he. For he with ye loveth thee.

 

[chubbena]

So, the Law that God (Christ) spoke from Mt. Sinai is almost the Law of God, all except the fourth one?

Of course. It's because the fourth disrupts our freedom and brings big inconvenience. A loving god would not permit that.
- Essentially that's what I heard from the opposing camp.

 

[jag1977]

Sometimes it really sends me out there to try and comprehend the meaning of things I see here. Just make me curious who this teacher might be.

 

[Josh321]

all of you are wasting your time.. didn't go say he would send a strong delusion that they would believe in a lie in the last days?

[h=3]2 Thessalonians 2:11-12[/h]King James Version (KJV)

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



and lets see what is considered as NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS IN THE BIBLE
[h=3]Galatians 2:21[/h]King James Version (KJV)

21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


YET STILL THE BIBLE SAYS RIGHTEOUSNESS DOES NOT COME FROM THE LAW, BUT YOU PEOPLE HAVING PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS it's in the scriptures right there but your hearts are hardened to believe a lie so i will go no further, all i can do is pray that God may release the scales from your eyes to see the truth

 

[Josh321]

yet still after seeing that you tell me " WE HAVE TO KEEP THE SABBATH TO BE SAVED " ... do you have no self control to take a look at your lives and see what you are doing, it was said 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:


what a pity...

 

[Brother_Don]

The real pity of the matter is seeing people calling good bad and bad good. God does not make bad decisions, and when He gave the 10 commandments, it was a blessing for us.

 

[Josh321]

The real pity of the matter is seeing people calling good bad and bad good. God does not make bad decisions, and when He gave the 10 commandments, it was a blessing for us.

prove to me in now in the new testament that we have to follow the 10 commandments [h=3]2 Corinthians 3:14[/h]King James Version (KJV)

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.



i give you all millions of scriptures proving what i say, all you do is reject it and run away clueless prove me by the scriptures. that WE MUST FOLLOW THE 10 COMMANDMENTS, why would we when God fulfills it in us by his spirit... your making a mockery of the grace of God