Faith plays a big part in being a believer as you already know. I think we'll never know ALL the questions about God because then Faith would serve no point and then we would all know there is a God instead of actually deciding on our own free will to choose God. It would be insane to be able to try and figure out God because God stretches past our finite minds because he is infinite and all-knowing. Would you mind telling us what made you change your views?
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Jesus didn't come for the righteous they don't need a doctor. walk a mile in my shoes, i'll go 2 in yours, oh wait we'll be bare footed in my mile. Can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink. the proof is in the pudding, we can read the ingredients all we want, but we don't know what it taste like till we try it.Just remember God will not turn His back on us, people choose to turn their back to God. Knock knock, who's there? Truth. Truth who? Truth will set you free.
No - Lucifer/Satan was created by God.
Everything was perfect to start with but Lucifer got prideful and wanted to be equal to and then greater than God. He rebelled and in that rebellion took 1/3 of the angels with him and they were cast out of heaven and because Eve and Adam ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil Lucifer and his evil angels are here on this earth tempting and tormenting us. Generally reeking havoc with humans.
Yes, God could have destroyed Satan as soon as he rebelled, but God loved him and wanted to try to give him a chance to change his mind confess and come back into the heavenly fold. Satan wouldn't change his mind and we all see the results of how sin plays out when left to run the course. God does not want sin to rise up a second time and that is one of the reasons he has let Satan get away with things.. The biggest reason is because God is love and He is a God of second, third, fourth and so on.... Chances to let us change our minds and come an follow Him.
If God had destroyed Lucifer at the time of the original rebellion the other angels would have served Him out of fear instead of love. Once Jesus died on the cross to pay for man's sins the angels and humans knew that God was a God of love. I look forward to the day when God does put an end to the sin and suffering that has plagued mankind for so many years. I hope my answer has helped to answer your question.
Everything was perfect to start with but Lucifer got prideful and wanted to be equal to and then greater than God. He rebelled and in that rebellion took 1/3 of the angels with him and they were cast out of heaven and because Eve and Adam ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil Lucifer and his evil angels are here on this earth tempting and tormenting us. Generally reeking havoc with humans.
Yes, God could have destroyed Satan as soon as he rebelled, but God loved him and wanted to try to give him a chance to change his mind confess and come back into the heavenly fold. Satan wouldn't change his mind and we all see the results of how sin plays out when left to run the course. God does not want sin to rise up a second time and that is one of the reasons he has let Satan get away with things.. The biggest reason is because God is love and He is a God of second, third, fourth and so on.... Chances to let us change our minds and come an follow Him.
If God had destroyed Lucifer at the time of the original rebellion the other angels would have served Him out of fear instead of love. Once Jesus died on the cross to pay for man's sins the angels and humans knew that God was a God of love. I look forward to the day when God does put an end to the sin and suffering that has plagued mankind for so many years. I hope my answer has helped to answer your question.
M
*sigh* The atheists don't believe in the authority of the bible, so quoting verses from it to prove our points is unproductive. Use science and critical thinking skills instead.
It takes a very personal experience to go through conviction, repentance and sanctification. For the Lord Jesus to take you through all of that and then for you to deny it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
If you can't trust your own experience I suppose you will fall for any doctrine that tickles your ears. Could you imagine if Paul didn't trust his experience with the Lord? I don't think there is any documentation in the bible for people who don't trust their own experiences.
If you've been saved then you know where that salvation came from and you would seek that source above everything else, especially when you think your faith is under attack. The very thing that caused you to come to Him in the first place.
It isn't intellectual mis-trust that would cause a person to backslide. It is only ignorance, pride and stubborn refusal to hear the truth that could cause it. Even then, once a person knows the Lord, to whom else would they go???
Something about you and your story doesn't quite mesh, does it?
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
If you were previously saved you should know this. You sought Him and He rewarded you. That is what Salvation is.
Romans 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
There is no need to convince you. That is not my job. You know whose Job that is. If you don't recieve Him how could you possibly believe my words?
Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
If you don't have faith you don't have anything.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Have you read Hebrews 11?
If you can't trust your own experience I suppose you will fall for any doctrine that tickles your ears. Could you imagine if Paul didn't trust his experience with the Lord? I don't think there is any documentation in the bible for people who don't trust their own experiences.
If you've been saved then you know where that salvation came from and you would seek that source above everything else, especially when you think your faith is under attack. The very thing that caused you to come to Him in the first place.
It isn't intellectual mis-trust that would cause a person to backslide. It is only ignorance, pride and stubborn refusal to hear the truth that could cause it. Even then, once a person knows the Lord, to whom else would they go???
Something about you and your story doesn't quite mesh, does it?
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
If you were previously saved you should know this. You sought Him and He rewarded you. That is what Salvation is.
Romans 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
There is no need to convince you. That is not my job. You know whose Job that is. If you don't recieve Him how could you possibly believe my words?
Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
If you don't have faith you don't have anything.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Have you read Hebrews 11?
you are right, it doesn't make sense. I was quite assured of my salvation, I never really questioned my salvation but questioned the entire premise on which my faith was on.
Yes Hebrews 11 talks about faith and people in OT demonstrating their faith which pleased God.
However, in those examples they had faith because they heard the voice of God or thought they heard the voice of God. That is strong persuasion, to trust that something will happen or trust that something is there when you don't see it people usually need good reasons. Christians put their faith in God for reasons such as belief that Bible is absolute truth, personal experiences (hearing God, feeling God, etc), and others testimonies about their experiences with God.
I questioned the reality of God because my faith in God was built on an assertion that God is real.
I realized that I knew God was real only because I had always been told He was real and my faith in what the Bible said was entirely dependent on the fact that God, with all the Biblical characteristics, was real.
Nobody has blind faith, but everyone has what they think are good reasons for their faith otherwise they wouldn't have faith in it. If you no longer think you have good reasons anymore you lose your faith.
My conclusion is either Christianity is wrong or I have been deceived by Satan and man's thinking and God will bring me back sometime in the future (John 10:28)
Yes Hebrews 11 talks about faith and people in OT demonstrating their faith which pleased God.
However, in those examples they had faith because they heard the voice of God or thought they heard the voice of God. That is strong persuasion, to trust that something will happen or trust that something is there when you don't see it people usually need good reasons. Christians put their faith in God for reasons such as belief that Bible is absolute truth, personal experiences (hearing God, feeling God, etc), and others testimonies about their experiences with God.
I questioned the reality of God because my faith in God was built on an assertion that God is real.
I realized that I knew God was real only because I had always been told He was real and my faith in what the Bible said was entirely dependent on the fact that God, with all the Biblical characteristics, was real.
Nobody has blind faith, but everyone has what they think are good reasons for their faith otherwise they wouldn't have faith in it. If you no longer think you have good reasons anymore you lose your faith.
My conclusion is either Christianity is wrong or I have been deceived by Satan and man's thinking and God will bring me back sometime in the future (John 10:28)
T
@Megaman125
...... What did you just say? Don't go off topic.
You folks are posting bible verses with the (false) assumption that the non-believers already believe in its authority. I've been debating with atheists on another website prior to my discovery of Christianchat.com; I observed that whenever a fundamentalist uses the bible to support his/her claims, the opposing party (Atheist) will naturally end the debate by saying that there is no evidence to support the claims of the bible, and therefore it is not a credible source of information.
Hence my point of us using science to support our claims.
The very first answer 'Into the Void' got in reply to his first two questions was unproductive, and shows that we are willing to taunt the atheists, rather than help them. Read posts #3 and #25 on Page 1 and 2.
Me too!
...... What did you just say? Don't go off topic.
You folks are posting bible verses with the (false) assumption that the non-believers already believe in its authority. I've been debating with atheists on another website prior to my discovery of Christianchat.com; I observed that whenever a fundamentalist uses the bible to support his/her claims, the opposing party (Atheist) will naturally end the debate by saying that there is no evidence to support the claims of the bible, and therefore it is not a credible source of information.
Hence my point of us using science to support our claims.
The very first answer 'Into the Void' got in reply to his first two questions was unproductive, and shows that we are willing to taunt the atheists, rather than help them. Read posts #3 and #25 on Page 1 and 2.
Me too!
M
@Megaman125
...... What did you just say? Don't go off topic.
You folks are posting bible verses with the (false) assumption that the non-believers already believe in its authority. I've been debating with atheists on another website prior to my discovery of Christianchat.com; I observed that whenever a fundamentalist uses the bible to support his/her claims, the opposing party (Atheist) will naturally end the debate by saying that there is no evidence to support the claims of the bible, and therefore it is not a credible source of information.
...... What did you just say? Don't go off topic.
You folks are posting bible verses with the (false) assumption that the non-believers already believe in its authority. I've been debating with atheists on another website prior to my discovery of Christianchat.com; I observed that whenever a fundamentalist uses the bible to support his/her claims, the opposing party (Atheist) will naturally end the debate by saying that there is no evidence to support the claims of the bible, and therefore it is not a credible source of information.
IntotheVoid's first questions were this:
Those are questions about Christian theology, not science. Were else do you think you can get Christian theological questions answered?
doseofreality...
One day, MUCH sooner than you think, "you're" gonna get the "ultimate" 'dose of reality'...eternal damnation. And I "guarantee" you won't be laughing and mocking on judgment day when your atheist carcass gets tossed into the fiery pit where your daddy satan will greet you...
As for you weak, namby pamby, milktoast christians, if YOU want to wetnurse a heathen anti-christ that's YOUR prerogative...But Jesus didn't and I'M not going to. I speak the "truth" to demons and heresies when I confront them....
One day, MUCH sooner than you think, "you're" gonna get the "ultimate" 'dose of reality'...eternal damnation. And I "guarantee" you won't be laughing and mocking on judgment day when your atheist carcass gets tossed into the fiery pit where your daddy satan will greet you...
As for you weak, namby pamby, milktoast christians, if YOU want to wetnurse a heathen anti-christ that's YOUR prerogative...But Jesus didn't and I'M not going to. I speak the "truth" to demons and heresies when I confront them....
T
@Majorjones
Dear Lord, can you please be less aggressive than that in your future replies?
Don't talk to others like that! Goodness gracious.
I'm not 'wet nursing' anyone, I'm just trying to be polite to those of other beliefs. Calling me a weak Christian is demoting fellowship.
Calm down, man! I understand your point, but you don't have to word it like that!
Dear Lord, can you please be less aggressive than that in your future replies?
Don't talk to others like that! Goodness gracious. I'm not 'wet nursing' anyone, I'm just trying to be polite to those of other beliefs. Calling me a weak Christian is demoting fellowship.Calm down, man! I understand your point, but you don't have to word it like that!
D
Don't hold back...
Cause you woke up in the mornin, with initiative to move, so why make it harder...
Don't hold back...
If you think about it, so many people do, be cool man, look smarter....
Don't hold back...
And you shouldnt even care, bout those losers in the air, and their crooked stares...
Don't hold back...
Cause there's a party over here, so you might as well be here, where the people care...
Don't hold back...
(...)
World, the time has come to...
Push the button...
World, my finger, is on the button
my finger, is on the button...
my finger , is on the button...
Push the button...
Galvanize!!!
T
Don't hold back...
Push the button...
Galvanize!!!
Lets study the post in question and see if it breaks the rules.
1. Nothing anti-Christian, or inappropriate for a Christian chat room or forum.
- The username 'Majorjones' does not seem to be anti-Christian. Also, this user has not linked us to an anti-Christian website.
- The user in question is talking improperly.
2. No conduct that is offensive or counterproductive to fellowship.
- Majorjones did call me a pro-gay Christian, and he called Dose of Reality a son of Satan.
- This may be evidence of Majorjones breaking rule #2, but a closer examination of the content of his posts would reveal that the user has not purposely attempted to disrupt fellowship. Rather, he has posted an aggressive and uncalled for opinion. Perhaps this should warrant a report. However, I sense that the user is not particularly malevolent.
Rules 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14 have certainly not been broken.
[HR][/HR]
In light of this examination, I conclude that filing a report against Majorjones is acceptable, although I wouldn't do it myself, as I find the said user's words, while offensive, not particularly disgusting.
I must add that calling others weak and pamby Christians and anti-Christ heathens is very inappropriate. Shame on you, Majorjones!
One more thing, I'm not a Pro-gay Christian! Enough of the name calling, show some decency!
ITS OK TO QUESTION GOD. I BELIEVE GOD GAVE US BRAINS TO THINK, QUESTION, AND BUILD ON WHAT WE ALREADY "THINK" WE KNOW. I FEEL IM INSULTING YOUR INTELLIGENCE BY INSISTING YOU BELIEVE IN GOD....WITHOUT PRODUCING GOD HIMSELF IN THE PHYSICAL FORM. AS FAR AS WE KNOW "GOD" COULD BE LIKE THE WIZARD IN THE WIZARD OF OZ: ..MEANING: WE BELIEVE IN HIM, BECAUSE IT MOTIVATES US...SO THEREFORE HES REAL...BECAUSE WE NEED HIM TO BE. KIND OF LIKE THAT WHOLE SANTA CLAUSE DEAL BACK WHEN YOU WERE 5....ALSO, "GOD" COULD BE JUST A FORM OF CONTROL USED TO KEEP YOU IN ORDER....IF YOU DONT OBEY YOU WILL BE PUNISHED.....IF YOU DO OBEY....YOU WILL BE REWARDED....BUT YOU GOTTA DIE 1ST....JUST IN CASE....ALL OF THAT HEAVEN TALK IS FALSE....WE DONT WANT ANY WITNESSES OR WHISTLE BLOWERS MESSING UP OUR SCHEME.....LORD KNOWS.
T
ITS OK TO QUESTION GOD. I BELIEVE GOD GAVE US BRAINS TO THINK, QUESTION, AND BUILD ON WHAT WE ALREADY "THINK" WE KNOW. I FEEL IM INSULTING YOUR INTELLIGENCE BY INSISTING YOU BELIEVE IN GOD....WITHOUT PRODUCING GOD HIMSELF IN THE PHYSICAL FORM. AS FAR AS WE KNOW "GOD" COULD BE LIKE THE WIZARD IN THE WIZARD OF OZ: ..MEANING: WE BELIEVE IN HIM, BECAUSE IT MOTIVATES US...SO THEREFORE HES REAL...BECAUSE WE NEED HIM TO BE. KIND OF LIKE THAT WHOLE SANTA CLAUSE DEAL BACK WHEN YOU WERE 5....ALSO, "GOD" COULD BE JUST A FORM OF CONTROL USED TO KEEP YOU IN ORDER....IF YOU DONT OBEY YOU WILL BE PUNISHED.....IF YOU DO OBEY....YOU WILL BE REWARDED....BUT YOU GOTTA DIE 1ST....JUST IN CASE....ALL OF THAT HEAVEN TALK IS FALSE....WE DONT WANT ANY WITNESSES OR WHISTLE BLOWERS MESSING UP OUR SCHEME.....LORD KNOWS.
You bring up an interesting point about Heaven. In order to even get to Heaven, we must die. We humans on Earth wouldn't know that Heavens exists without others telling us, and others can't tell us if they're dead!
1.Well, one thing for sure Major does not tickle any ears.
Our job is to:
2.1 Cor 3:6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
3Heb4:12. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
4.Jude 1:23
…22And have mercy on some, who are doubting; 23save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh.
5.Acts26:18to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.' 19
Our job is to:
2.1 Cor 3:6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
3Heb4:12. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
4.Jude 1:23
…22And have mercy on some, who are doubting; 23save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh.
5.Acts26:18to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.' 19