Attack of the Judaizers

[Rockbysea]

Now God never called pig "food",

God said to Noah “Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.” Pigs existed during the time of Noah. A pig is a moving thing that lives... God considered a pig food.

I find a lot of these teachings are elitists. Notice the people who have the least trouble keeping these Sabbath observances and food restrictions are those in the world who are well off enough (wealthy and have enough freedom) to do so. Forget about the billions in the world who have to work 7 days a week for 2 dollars a day to keep their family from starving to death and have no choice but to eat pork fat (they can’t afford pork meat) because it stretches the beans and gives them more energy. Yes… these teachings are not for the poor but for a bunch of well off western know-it-alls who think they got a heads up on others because they rest one day a week and eat beef instead of pork. No wonder the most severe judgement looming will come on those within the beast… those in the western world who do not know they fuel the beast and are living in the beast.

 

[Kerry]

Revelation 2



One knows that eating certain things offered to "idols" is not pleasing to the Messiah.

So you can't eat a meal thats been prepared by a woman thats had an abortion. Because abortion is Idol worship. It is the worship of "I". This false God "I" is also worshipped by homosexuals and also by those who don't trust in the word. Man don't eat anything pre made because you don't know who made it and did a buddhist bless my chinese food? That guy cooking my steak at outback might say a prayer over to muhammad. I guess I better grow and eat my own stuff. Wait If ask God to bless it and He is a good father. Hey I( can eat what I want to as long as I give thanks and ask him bless it. That is amazing i'm glad yall got me to think it through. Thank yall so much.

 

[Josh321]

You old covenant/contract breakers ignore everything (and I say old contract breakers because this is the contract you have chosen to be under and you are all breaking it). You completely ignore the scripture I posted where God said to Noah “Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.” All you can say to that is “Ya but there were unclean animals in the ark so this implies that Noah was given all the same commandments that were given to the children of Israel.”

Absurd reasoning.... just because God rested on the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day at creation and there were unclean animals in the ark this is proof that all the laws given through Moses were given to the men of God prior to the exodus.

And let’s not forget about the decree that went out of Jerusalem that you all keep ignoring. And you keep posting that same out of context scripture to say that the decree was actually siding with those who were troubling the gentiles… that the decree was to actually enforce the teaching to the gentiles the laws of Moses every Sabbath (totally ignoring the fact that the laws of Moses included circumcision). And every time you old covenant breakers get debunked you start a new thread using the same tired old scriptures that didn’t work during the last go around.

What I like about pigs is that they seem to be cheery animals and make friendly pets.... and they taste good too.

LOL this made my night hehe, i'm off to bed " And every time you old covenant breakers get debunked you start a new thread using the same tired old scriptures that didn’t work during the last go around. " and this is sad it's like they say "oh my goodness they found scriptures to prove what i'm doing is wrong.. I MUST FLEE! let me start another thread saying the sabbath must be kept so we can be saved, maybe they will miss this one! i will continue in my iniquity lifestyle weather you prove me wrong my the scriptures or not! " it's sad but true

 

[Josh321]

i'm actually ashamed though... you people allowed your own pride to completely blind you from the truth because your afraid to accept you might be wrong or even consider it, i had a meeting tonight me and some other born again young teenagers we had some adventist in the group so everyone decided to discuss the law/grace thing as usual, and thankfully by the grace of God they were able to see and understand what the scriptures and able to agree that we are under grace because it was proven by the scriptures.. thank God their pride isn't as big as yours, your so stubborn! man comon all of you, you choose to completely ignore scriptures and still continue with what you are doing... there is an anwser for everysingle question we have in THE BIBLE like what is the purpose of the 10 commandments, it's the school master, was it ever intended for us to follow or the jews? rom 2:14-15 would tell us it was never meant for us because our nature against it NATURE can't help but transgress, does righteousness comes from the law? bible clearly says no in galatians so many questions anwsered in the bible yet you refuse everyone of them, turn from your ways before the DOOR IS SHUT and NO FLESH SHALL BE SAVE, do not be like the foolish versions they were sure they had the right thing, if anyone wants to tell me what i'm saying wrong prove to me by the scriptures and if i'm proven otherwise i was accept it if not, we keep searching the scriptures for every questions, goodnight and God bless

 

[Hizikyah]

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

 

[Hizikyah]

Romans 2?

Romans 2:12, "For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law"

Jews only?

Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who asojourns with you."

Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."

Psalam 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

 

[danschance]

It was a vision, it had a meaning.

Why is there a statue in Daniyl made of 4 different metals if there is not a literal statue?

It was a vision, it had a meaning.

ACTS 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

Again you have not stated why God COMMANDED peter to KILL AND EAT unclean foods. How is eating unclean foods related to stop calling gentiles unclean?

 

[WomanLovesTX]

How many here think that keeping law makes them righteous and in good order with God?

What does the Word say?

(Deu 6:25) And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

(Psa 119:172) My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

(Luk 1:6) And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

(2Pe 2:21) For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

But on the other hand, we read:

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1Ti 1:11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

 

[Kerry]

What does the Word say?

(Deu 6:25) And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

(Psa 119:172) My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

(Luk 1:6) And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

(2Pe 2:21) For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

But on the other hand, we read:

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1Ti 1:11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

What made Abraham Righteous seeing that he had no law and Issac and Jacob. Since there was no law what made them Righteous? Why was Rahab in the lineage of Christ a harlot a gentile yet she she knew not of law?

 

[Kerry]

What made Job righteous?

 

[Hizikyah]

Again you have not stated why God COMMANDED peter to KILL AND EAT unclean foods. How is eating unclean foods related to stop calling gentiles unclean?

yes I did, it was a vision, visions have meanings.

Think about this: "but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean. Because of this, I came without objection"

So Kepha (Peter) has a vision, and he is uncertain what it means, and later his conclusion is clearly written "but Yahweh has shown me" Shown what? "that I must not call any man common or unclean"

Come on Danschance, we disagree on much but you cant see that?

Originally Posted by Hizikyah
It was a vision, it had a meaning.

Why is there a statue in Daniyl made of 4 different metals if there is not a literal statue?

It was a vision, it had a meaning.

ACTS 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean. Because of this, I came without objection when I was sent for. So now I ask, for what reason have you sent for me?"

 

[Kerry]

Even after the law He is reffered to the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. They had no law, reckon why?

 

[Kerry]

Matter of a fact they did what was right in their own eye.

 

[Hizikyah]

Even after the law He is reffered to the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. They had no law, reckon why?

Genesis 26:5, "Because Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My Laws."

Matter of a fact they did what was right in their own eye.

Proverbs 14:12, "There is a way which seems right to a man, but the ends thereof are the ways of death."

 

[Kerry]

Abraham did what? He cheated on his wife and produced a bastard son. He lied and called Sarah his sister. He did what?

 

[Hizikyah]

Abraham did what? He cheated on his wife and produced a bastard son. He lied and called Sarah his sister. He did what?

Certainly Abraham recieved mercy for his sins, yet Yahweh HIMSELF SAYS "Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My Laws"

Do you call Yahweh a liar?

Genesis 26:5, "Because Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My Laws."

 

[Rockbysea]

What does the Word say?

(Deu 6:25) And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

(Psa 119:172) My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

(Luk 1:6) And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

(2Pe 2:21) For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

But on the other hand, we read:

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1Ti 1:11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

And how many times have you repeated these scriptures….? You all just copy and plaster from existing files... not for the purpose of promoting truth but for the purpose of using mind numbing repetition to push an agenda. Billions of poor people around the world cannot follow your doctrines… do you sound like bearers of the good “tidings”? Do you bring the “easy” yoke of Christ to the poor? Of course not! Your agenda is to cause division and bring chains and oppression by trying to enslave people to your various make-believe and butchered contracts. Make-believe because your contracts have never been ratified by God… butchered because you hack pieces out of the old national contract that was not intended to be observed by individuals outside of the nation of Israel and throw away the rest that inconvenience you.

 

[Kerry]

if obeying God was enough. Why did Job say "I Know my redeemer lives". If he obeyed God then why did he need a redeemer?

 

[Kerry]

Did David a man after Gods own heart need a redeemer? A murderer an adultery.

 

[Hizikyah]

Who said that,

Certainly Abraham recieved mercy for his sins, yet Yahweh HIMSELF SAYS "Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My Laws"

Do you call Yahweh a liar?

Genesis 26:5, "Because Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My Laws."

if obeying God was enough. Why did Job say "I Know my redeemer lives". If he obeyed God then why did he need a redeemer?

legalisim is based upon a mans own works being the saving force and not the Messiah.

Thing is most people in our modern day aka the mystery of iniquity call obedience legalisim.

Scripture does not agree:

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

Faith + no works = dead

Works + no faith = dead

We need faith and works, AND OUR FAITH HAS TO BE POINTED AT THE RIGHT DIRECTION

Titus 1:16, "They profess that they know Yahweh, but by their works they deny Him--being abominable, disobedient, and to every righteous work, reprobate."

2 Timothy 3:5, "Having a form of holiness, but denying the authority of it--from such turn away!"