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No offense, but I'd rather not give out any names. I don't want you to go searching for them, and getting yourself under their teachings, becoming more entangled in deception than you already are. I'm trying to protect you here.
I can affirm that you believe the exact same things that they teach, and I think that the source of the teaching is the same.
I can affirm that you believe the exact same things that they teach, and I think that the source of the teaching is the same.
When you put off something where does it go? You see what you want to. But I speak from a life lived. Like I said I can't tell you the last time I sinned . Out of the heart these things come.. Do you have a new heart or are you still drawing out from your old? Did you not deny yourself or do you still live and play possum? So when squeezed by others you come out and not the Christ in you? You don't squeeze a orange and get apple juice. You queeze a orange and get orange juice. The same way it should be with "Christ"ians. Your life's live is what you truly believe and your heart's expression is who you truly are.
If Jesus calls you brother what does that make you?
If Jesus was the last Adam how do God see you?
Adam and Eve had the same name until the fall. So what does that say about you and Jesus?
Genesis 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
If Jesus calls you brother what does that make you?
If Jesus was the last Adam how do God see you?
Adam and Eve had the same name until the fall. So what does that say about you and Jesus?
Genesis 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
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No, you're not going to dodge this one. I want you to explain what your understanding of the gospel is, in your own words.
All believers are in the process of being sanctified by the Holy Spirit. None of us are done yet. You're not going to find a church made up of perfect people.
The biblical understanding of repentance is throughout the Bible, and it does have to do with our sin.
Walking as Jesus did means that we are to treat one another with love. We are to show compassion towards others. We are to serve others, etc.
It does not mean we are to go out and copy every miracle that Jesus did and see if we can reproduce it.
All three Persons of the Trinity are the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. As for the spiritual gifts -- if God wants to accomplish something in a certain situation, He will equip people to do it. The Holy Spirit still does distribute the spiritual gifts just as He chooses. However, none of this should be the main emphasis of our Christian faith.
I responded to the demonstration of Spirit and of power part in an earlier post. I will repost it here (this is from post #198):
The real power of the kingdom of God is when a sinner comes to know and believe in Jesus Christ as his/her Lord and Savior, and begins to trust in Him rather trust in himself/herself. The real gospel speaks the truth and transforms lives because it is the account of what God has done for us. That is where the power is. No other true story can claim this.
It can be accompanied by sings and wonders, but it doesn't have to be. The gospel is powerful enough on its own.
Healing is not guaranteed in the atonement. Yes, when someone is sick we should pray for them. However, there is no guarantee that they will be healed in this life. Jesus did die for all people, which is why we share the gospel with people. Again, there is no guarantee that just because we pray for someone that God has to act the way we want Him to. Sometimes God chooses to take people to be home with Him.
We do not have our resurrected bodies yet, thus we are all susceptible to death and disease. We will not have our resurrected bodies until Jesus returns.
Are you aware that demons can show power, too?
For example, in New Age, pagan, eastern religions, and other occult spiritual beliefs, real power is demonstrated. They hold healing ceremonies where people are healed. They have supernatural things happen in their midst. However, we know that this isn't of God.
So showing signs and wonders doesn't necessarily prove anything, as it happens in other belief systems, too.
That is why, if there are any signs and wonders displayed, it always needs to be accompanied by sound doctrine. Signs and wonders should never be the "main" thing. It is the gospel that should be the main thing. If it isn't, then people aren't really hearing the real gospel.
So, again, I ask you.....
Tell us what your understanding of the gospel is. What does it mean, and what affect does it have on humanity? How are we made different by it.
I'm asking because I don't think that we mean the same thing when we use the term.
Thank you.
All believers are in the process of being sanctified by the Holy Spirit. None of us are done yet. You're not going to find a church made up of perfect people.
The biblical understanding of repentance is throughout the Bible, and it does have to do with our sin.
Walking as Jesus did means that we are to treat one another with love. We are to show compassion towards others. We are to serve others, etc.
It does not mean we are to go out and copy every miracle that Jesus did and see if we can reproduce it.
All three Persons of the Trinity are the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. As for the spiritual gifts -- if God wants to accomplish something in a certain situation, He will equip people to do it. The Holy Spirit still does distribute the spiritual gifts just as He chooses. However, none of this should be the main emphasis of our Christian faith.
I responded to the demonstration of Spirit and of power part in an earlier post. I will repost it here (this is from post #198):
The real power of the kingdom of God is when a sinner comes to know and believe in Jesus Christ as his/her Lord and Savior, and begins to trust in Him rather trust in himself/herself. The real gospel speaks the truth and transforms lives because it is the account of what God has done for us. That is where the power is. No other true story can claim this.
It can be accompanied by sings and wonders, but it doesn't have to be. The gospel is powerful enough on its own.
Healing is not guaranteed in the atonement. Yes, when someone is sick we should pray for them. However, there is no guarantee that they will be healed in this life. Jesus did die for all people, which is why we share the gospel with people. Again, there is no guarantee that just because we pray for someone that God has to act the way we want Him to. Sometimes God chooses to take people to be home with Him.
We do not have our resurrected bodies yet, thus we are all susceptible to death and disease. We will not have our resurrected bodies until Jesus returns.
Are you aware that demons can show power, too?
For example, in New Age, pagan, eastern religions, and other occult spiritual beliefs, real power is demonstrated. They hold healing ceremonies where people are healed. They have supernatural things happen in their midst. However, we know that this isn't of God.
So showing signs and wonders doesn't necessarily prove anything, as it happens in other belief systems, too.
That is why, if there are any signs and wonders displayed, it always needs to be accompanied by sound doctrine. Signs and wonders should never be the "main" thing. It is the gospel that should be the main thing. If it isn't, then people aren't really hearing the real gospel.
So, again, I ask you.....
Tell us what your understanding of the gospel is. What does it mean, and what affect does it have on humanity? How are we made different by it.
I'm asking because I don't think that we mean the same thing when we use the term.
Thank you.
Demons can show power to good point. So how do we go against such thing?
Something must be wrong with me for I haven't been sick since I believed Jesus healed me by his stripes and took our infirmities. It's been 7 years to be exact.
The gospel I believe issssss. God so loved the world that he sent his 1 and only son so that he could restore us back to his created image (not 2 arms and 2 legs) but the image of love. Bringing us back to our created value and more making us a new creation in Him. That all who believed and be baptized with his spirit will be saved. Sanctified wash cleans and free from the law of sin and death. And his good work was finished at the cross
Something must be wrong with me for I haven't been sick since I believed Jesus healed me by his stripes and took our infirmities. It's been 7 years to be exact.
The gospel I believe issssss. God so loved the world that he sent his 1 and only son so that he could restore us back to his created image (not 2 arms and 2 legs) but the image of love. Bringing us back to our created value and more making us a new creation in Him. That all who believed and be baptized with his spirit will be saved. Sanctified wash cleans and free from the law of sin and death. And his good work was finished at the cross
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I believe in all of the biblical spiritual gifts.
As for what specific gifts I have and what specific gifts I don't have -- I would say it depends on the definitions used. Different people and different organizations define each individual gift differently. I've taken several spiritual gift inventories before, and each of these has used different definitions.
I can tell you what ones some of them have said I have, and some that other people have said I have, etc. I'm going to use the list that wanderer6059 posted earlier in post #196, but not necessarily the definitions that are used in that list. Like I said, different people and organizations define the gifts differently:
Prophecy, evangelism, faith, knowledge, wisdom, discernment, service, healing, and mercy.
There are others that some people have said that aren't in the Bible, but other people told me I had -- writing and presence.
That is not necessarily exhaustive, nor are the lists of gifts in the Bible exhaustive.
I'm not sure that the church should put so much emphasis on trying to figuring out exactly what spiritual gifts an individual has or doesn't have. Because, if we're not careful, we can easily start going down the road of saying, "this is my gift....and that isn't. So God will never call me to do anything in that area." It can become self-focused and also limiting -- we may not believe that God would use us for an area that is not "ours."
Now....looking at the list of the gifts that I mentioned above -- I can say that I believe God has used me in all of those ways, and I affirm that He's given me a passion in those areas. That is not to say that I don't believe that God could use me in different ways. I think He can. These are just the ones that have come up a lot, and that other people have confirmed by saying they thought I had these gifts.
As for what specific gifts I have and what specific gifts I don't have -- I would say it depends on the definitions used. Different people and different organizations define each individual gift differently. I've taken several spiritual gift inventories before, and each of these has used different definitions.
I can tell you what ones some of them have said I have, and some that other people have said I have, etc. I'm going to use the list that wanderer6059 posted earlier in post #196, but not necessarily the definitions that are used in that list. Like I said, different people and organizations define the gifts differently:
Prophecy, evangelism, faith, knowledge, wisdom, discernment, service, healing, and mercy.
There are others that some people have said that aren't in the Bible, but other people told me I had -- writing and presence.
That is not necessarily exhaustive, nor are the lists of gifts in the Bible exhaustive.
I'm not sure that the church should put so much emphasis on trying to figuring out exactly what spiritual gifts an individual has or doesn't have. Because, if we're not careful, we can easily start going down the road of saying, "this is my gift....and that isn't. So God will never call me to do anything in that area." It can become self-focused and also limiting -- we may not believe that God would use us for an area that is not "ours."
Now....looking at the list of the gifts that I mentioned above -- I can say that I believe God has used me in all of those ways, and I affirm that He's given me a passion in those areas. That is not to say that I don't believe that God could use me in different ways. I think He can. These are just the ones that have come up a lot, and that other people have confirmed by saying they thought I had these gifts.
Mans traditions always blame God.
Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
How many people do you come across with demons? Seems like a excuse. Greater who is in me than in the world.
Still didn't answer my question are you baptist?
Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
How many people do you come across with demons? Seems like a excuse. Greater who is in me than in the world.
Still didn't answer my question are you baptist?
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What about the fellowship of the believers? Do we need that?
Right -- counterfeit signs and wonders doesn't nullify the true ones....but any time that a ministry or church or whatever emphasizes sings and wonders to the exclusion of the real gospel, you can be sure that their doctrine is off. If the doctrine is off, then nothing else really matters. Any signs and wonders they do is likely to be counterfeit, and people will be led astray.
2 Thessalonians 2:2-12 (NASB)
2 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the [SUP][a][/SUP]coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, [SUP]2 [/SUP]that you not be quickly shaken from your [SUP][b][/SUP]composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a [SUP][c][/SUP]message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the [SUP][d][/SUP]apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above [SUP][e][/SUP]every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? [SUP]6 [/SUP]And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His [SUP][f][/SUP]coming; [SUP]9[/SUP]that is, the one whose [SUP][g][/SUP]coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and [SUP][h][/SUP]signs and false wonders, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and with [SUP][i][/SUP]all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For this reason God [SUP][j][/SUP]will send upon them [SUP][k][/SUP]a deluding influence so that they will believe [SUP][l][/SUP]what is false, [SUP]12 [/SUP]in order that they all may be [SUP][m][/SUP]judged who did not believe the truth, but [SUP][n][/SUP]took pleasure in wickedness.
Right -- counterfeit signs and wonders doesn't nullify the true ones....but any time that a ministry or church or whatever emphasizes sings and wonders to the exclusion of the real gospel, you can be sure that their doctrine is off. If the doctrine is off, then nothing else really matters. Any signs and wonders they do is likely to be counterfeit, and people will be led astray.
2 Thessalonians 2:2-12 (NASB)
2 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the [SUP][a][/SUP]coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, [SUP]2 [/SUP]that you not be quickly shaken from your [SUP][b][/SUP]composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a [SUP][c][/SUP]message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the [SUP][d][/SUP]apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above [SUP][e][/SUP]every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? [SUP]6 [/SUP]And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His [SUP][f][/SUP]coming; [SUP]9[/SUP]that is, the one whose [SUP][g][/SUP]coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and [SUP][h][/SUP]signs and false wonders, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and with [SUP][i][/SUP]all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For this reason God [SUP][j][/SUP]will send upon them [SUP][k][/SUP]a deluding influence so that they will believe [SUP][l][/SUP]what is false, [SUP]12 [/SUP]in order that they all may be [SUP][m][/SUP]judged who did not believe the truth, but [SUP][n][/SUP]took pleasure in wickedness.
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I am a new creation in Jesus Christ, but that doesn't mean that my sinful nature is gone.
1 Corinthians 10:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not fall.
So, you never ever treat anyone in any other way other than biblical love? You love everyone you know perfectly, and you do not ever do anything wrong in regard to them? Even if it was not your intention to do so?
You always love God perfectly, and you never put anything above Him, or fail to honor Him in all that you do?
God loves me because I am His creation. Jesus loves me enough that, even though I am an imperfect sinner, He took the punishment that I deserved upon Himself, and He died in my place.
Huh? Explain what you mean here.
Um....God's talking about mankind -- not that they were named the same thing. Adam was called Adam before the fall. Eve was called Eve.
You can't take one verse out of context, and then form a doctrine out of it.
1 Corinthians 10:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not fall.
So, you never ever treat anyone in any other way other than biblical love? You love everyone you know perfectly, and you do not ever do anything wrong in regard to them? Even if it was not your intention to do so?
You always love God perfectly, and you never put anything above Him, or fail to honor Him in all that you do?
God loves me because I am His creation. Jesus loves me enough that, even though I am an imperfect sinner, He took the punishment that I deserved upon Himself, and He died in my place.
Huh? Explain what you mean here.
Um....God's talking about mankind -- not that they were named the same thing. Adam was called Adam before the fall. Eve was called Eve.
You can't take one verse out of context, and then form a doctrine out of it.
Your belief in that we are not equal to Jesus and can't do what he did.
But Jesus is not going to judge us because he is not greater than us(that is in him)
God will judge us and Jesus is our lawyer or representative.
We judge the Angels because they are lower than us (those that are in Christ)
God
Jesus (mankind)
Angels also Satan and his angels
Fallen man <who have not believed in Jesus
You say the greater work is more people coming to Christ. But I don't see people coming to Christ. I see the same person as the person who don't believe. ( not that I'm judging them from outer appearance) but from what fruits they bear. Depressed, stressed, and etc.... I see them still oppressed by the devil. Only wanting people to lick there wounds and justify the reason that they feel that way. Either the preacher/ lteachers of the gospel is missing someone or the people as believers is missing something.
I see plenty of denominations that believe in Christ but we are all divided.
I see no transformation.. Only to act righteous on Sunday, but Monday-Saturday life live is like a unbeliever. Our maybe I'm just going to the wrong church's or speaking to the wrong Christians.
But Jesus is not going to judge us because he is not greater than us(that is in him)
God will judge us and Jesus is our lawyer or representative.
We judge the Angels because they are lower than us (those that are in Christ)
God
Jesus (mankind)
Angels also Satan and his angels
Fallen man <who have not believed in Jesus
You say the greater work is more people coming to Christ. But I don't see people coming to Christ. I see the same person as the person who don't believe. ( not that I'm judging them from outer appearance) but from what fruits they bear. Depressed, stressed, and etc.... I see them still oppressed by the devil. Only wanting people to lick there wounds and justify the reason that they feel that way. Either the preacher/ lteachers of the gospel is missing someone or the people as believers is missing something.
I see plenty of denominations that believe in Christ but we are all divided.
I see no transformation.. Only to act righteous on Sunday, but Monday-Saturday life live is like a unbeliever. Our maybe I'm just going to the wrong church's or speaking to the wrong Christians.
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Ephesians 6:10-20 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For our struggle is not against [SUP][e][/SUP]flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Stand firm therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, [SUP]15 [/SUP]and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; [SUP]16 [/SUP][SUP][f][/SUP]in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
[SUP]18 [/SUP][SUP][g][/SUP]With all prayer and petition [SUP][h][/SUP]pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, [SUP][i][/SUP]be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints, [SUP]19 [/SUP]and pray on my behalf, that utterance may be given to me in the opening of my mouth, to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel, [SUP]20 [/SUP]for which I am an ambassador in [SUP][j][/SUP]chains; that [SUP][k][/SUP]in proclaiming it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
We don't fight them directly like some sort of superhero battle. Rather, we stand in God's truth. God's truth is in the Bible, and we proclaim the real gospel. We simply tell people the truth -- God's story. What He has done for them. The gospel is more powerful than any counterfeit spiritual gift. Why? Because it's God's truth, and through it people can be saved.
Good for you. You've been healthy. That doesn't mean that your body won't ever get sick, or that you won't physically die.
I have some additional questions for you here....
1.) What do you mean when you say, "so that He could restore us back to His created image -- the image of love?
2.) Bringing us back to our created value and more making us a new creation in Him?
3.) How do you define "saved?" Saved from what? And for what reason or purpose?
4.) Sanctified wash cleans and free from the law of sin and death
5.) What was His good work that was finished on the cross?
I'm asking you to be very clear and define further because I really don't think we mean the same thing when we say "gospel." I think you could be using different definitions of these things from me.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For our struggle is not against [SUP][e][/SUP]flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Stand firm therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, [SUP]15 [/SUP]and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; [SUP]16 [/SUP][SUP][f][/SUP]in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
[SUP]18 [/SUP][SUP][g][/SUP]With all prayer and petition [SUP][h][/SUP]pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, [SUP][i][/SUP]be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints, [SUP]19 [/SUP]and pray on my behalf, that utterance may be given to me in the opening of my mouth, to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel, [SUP]20 [/SUP]for which I am an ambassador in [SUP][j][/SUP]chains; that [SUP][k][/SUP]in proclaiming it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
We don't fight them directly like some sort of superhero battle. Rather, we stand in God's truth. God's truth is in the Bible, and we proclaim the real gospel. We simply tell people the truth -- God's story. What He has done for them. The gospel is more powerful than any counterfeit spiritual gift. Why? Because it's God's truth, and through it people can be saved.
Good for you. You've been healthy. That doesn't mean that your body won't ever get sick, or that you won't physically die.
I have some additional questions for you here....
1.) What do you mean when you say, "so that He could restore us back to His created image -- the image of love?
2.) Bringing us back to our created value and more making us a new creation in Him?
3.) How do you define "saved?" Saved from what? And for what reason or purpose?
4.) Sanctified wash cleans and free from the law of sin and death
5.) What was His good work that was finished on the cross?
I'm asking you to be very clear and define further because I really don't think we mean the same thing when we say "gospel." I think you could be using different definitions of these things from me.
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I don't come across many people who are possessed by demons (actually, I don't know of anyone who has actually been possessed). I know people who I think were under the influence of demonic manifestations, mostly people in hyper-charismatic churches who chase after the latest sign and wonder. There are a whole lot more who hold to doctrines taught by demons.
No, I am not a Baptist.
No, I am not a Baptist.
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Sim -- do you think your words/actions here on CC show transformation? Do you think your perceived personality through typing demonstrates consideration of others, grace and mercy like a believer? Does it bother you that you started a thread: People say I'm crazy, and then hover over it like dark cloud? When you look into the mirror are you confronted by your vanity and self-love, your failure to truly submit to God with ever last part of your own little "i am"? Can you truly look at yourself in the eye and say you can't remember the last time you sinned? Has your flesh deceived you in telling you that it will not die? I see myself using sarcasm too much on CC and it bothers me. I'm really trying to seek wisdom from God because there is the potential to produce out workings that aren't love. It's literally this type of thread that works to bring out some of my lesser attitudes.
At least admit this obviously glaring fact. You came on to a Christian message titled "Bible Discussion" and started a thread about yourself. Whatever the game...God is omniscient and He will not be mocked. Of course, we must wait till He assumes the Omega for that promise to be fulfilled. And I'll be pleading, "mercy?" When that days comes.
At least admit this obviously glaring fact. You came on to a Christian message titled "Bible Discussion" and started a thread about yourself. Whatever the game...God is omniscient and He will not be mocked. Of course, we must wait till He assumes the Omega for that promise to be fulfilled. And I'll be pleading, "mercy?" When that days comes.
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You are correct when you say that my belief is that we are not equal to Jesus.
I did say that I don't think the purpose of spiritual gifts is for us to be able to copy all of the miracles that Jesus did. The gifts are supposed to edify the church. They're not so we can say how great we are, or for us to say that we are equal with Jesus by them.
You have made the Christian faith all about exalting humans and lowering Jesus to our level. You are not alone in this error. As I said, the hyper-charismatics make this exact same mistake.
That's because you don't know the real gospel or the real Jesus Christ. You believe in another Jesus and another gospel.
You think the gospel is all about us working miracles and performing signs and wonders. You assume that all the "bad" things in this life that we are vulnerable to can be brushed aside by what Jesus did on the cross. You think Christians should be able to live perfect lives without disease, death, depression, or stress, etc.
The reality is that Christians are real people who struggle with real things. Jesus' death didn't take these things away, but in Him we can find hope. We know that these things are not the end. We know that we can trust in Him to carry us through hard times.
Some do act as you have said. Others still struggle with things, but they bow before Jesus Christ. They are honest with Him and with other Christians. They pray with other believers, and God walks beside them.
You're never going to meet a perfect Christian in this life, yourself included. We all have issues. We all have sins. We all have struggles. No one has a perfect life. If you say that you do, then you are not looking at reality.
I did say that I don't think the purpose of spiritual gifts is for us to be able to copy all of the miracles that Jesus did. The gifts are supposed to edify the church. They're not so we can say how great we are, or for us to say that we are equal with Jesus by them.
You have made the Christian faith all about exalting humans and lowering Jesus to our level. You are not alone in this error. As I said, the hyper-charismatics make this exact same mistake.
That's because you don't know the real gospel or the real Jesus Christ. You believe in another Jesus and another gospel.
You think the gospel is all about us working miracles and performing signs and wonders. You assume that all the "bad" things in this life that we are vulnerable to can be brushed aside by what Jesus did on the cross. You think Christians should be able to live perfect lives without disease, death, depression, or stress, etc.
The reality is that Christians are real people who struggle with real things. Jesus' death didn't take these things away, but in Him we can find hope. We know that these things are not the end. We know that we can trust in Him to carry us through hard times.
Some do act as you have said. Others still struggle with things, but they bow before Jesus Christ. They are honest with Him and with other Christians. They pray with other believers, and God walks beside them.
You're never going to meet a perfect Christian in this life, yourself included. We all have issues. We all have sins. We all have struggles. No one has a perfect life. If you say that you do, then you are not looking at reality.
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I could be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure that the Hebrew word for man = Adam
I looked back at Genesis chapters 1, 2, and 3, and it does appear that the name Eve is not mentioned until after the Fall. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that that's when she got her name. It just means that is where it is mentioned in the text.
The Bible does not call her Adam, though, as you suggested. It refers to her as "woman." It refers to Adam as "man" mostly. Please do not try to build a doctrine out of this....because it is going to lead you to some weird ideas, and possibly heresy (not that some of your beliefs are not already heretical.)
I looked back at Genesis chapters 1, 2, and 3, and it does appear that the name Eve is not mentioned until after the Fall. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that that's when she got her name. It just means that is where it is mentioned in the text.
The Bible does not call her Adam, though, as you suggested. It refers to her as "woman." It refers to Adam as "man" mostly. Please do not try to build a doctrine out of this....because it is going to lead you to some weird ideas, and possibly heresy (not that some of your beliefs are not already heretical.)
1. Restore us back to the way he made mankind before they ate the fruit. God is the image of love. When we ate the fruit we became twisted and instead of being love. We became self servant , self centered and self preserving.
2.God didn't sin His Son because we where just sinners. He sent His Son because he knew what He called us to be or our potential and he wanted us back.
3.Saved from our self. We was never created for us but for Him to cover the earth with his Glory/image . You become a idol to your self which is a false god (putting self before the Creator) which leads to hell.
4. No longer a slave to our flesh. Adopted and now can walk in the spirit. Free from all the debt we racked up. No longer enimies of God but peace between us.
5. He Got mankind back (redeemed us) to the Farther. And Threw the farther is how we get to heaven. That any man repent and believe what Jesus did may be saved. Also he destroyed the power the devil had over us (for those that believe)
2.God didn't sin His Son because we where just sinners. He sent His Son because he knew what He called us to be or our potential and he wanted us back.
3.Saved from our self. We was never created for us but for Him to cover the earth with his Glory/image . You become a idol to your self which is a false god (putting self before the Creator) which leads to hell.
4. No longer a slave to our flesh. Adopted and now can walk in the spirit. Free from all the debt we racked up. No longer enimies of God but peace between us.
5. He Got mankind back (redeemed us) to the Farther. And Threw the farther is how we get to heaven. That any man repent and believe what Jesus did may be saved. Also he destroyed the power the devil had over us (for those that believe)