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This is why they don't see it...
Num 14:23 Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:
Num 14:24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.
Num 14:23 Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:
Num 14:24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.
I disagree, the only known major revivals happened because of the KJV, I dont see one major spiritual revival from any others, also if we talk about cults....lets do that, JWs = New World Translation (Changed the KJV) Mormons - Book of Mormon (Supposedly the improved version of the KJV) But with a spit u can disprove it quickly, also, Joseph Smith made a book i cannot think of the name of it right now, But it improved the KJV, SDAs- The Clear Word Bible (Changed the KJV), Has a female prophet, believes in some law keeping some not, (Against the KJV).
I am yet to find a major cult that has lived wholey and souly on the KJV? Can u show me one ?
I am yet to find a major cult that has lived wholey and souly on the KJV? Can u show me one ?
As for the original question to the date of the manuscripts...
It is truly amazing how so many Christians have bought into this lie without ever checking to see WHAT these manuscripts are, WHERE they came from, and WHO wrote them. It's also strange that no one seems to be asking the question, "Has God honored these 'older' and 'better' manuscripts throughout Church History?" The modern translations are based on the work of two nineteenth century Greek scholars from England--B. F. Westcott and F. J. A. Hort. Westcott and Hort, who were deeply involved in the occult, hated the Textus Receptus Greek text, from which the King James Bible was translated, so they conjured up THEIR OWN Greek text. This Westcott and Hort Greek text was based primarily on two very corrupt fourth century ROMAN CATHOLIC manuscripts: Codex Vaticanus (discovered in the Pope's library in 1481) and Sinaiticus (discovered in 1859 in a trash can at St. Catherine's monastery on Mt. Sinai). These are usually the "older" and "better" manuscripts that we keep hearing so much about. These manuscripts support most of the attacks in the new versions.
The Vaticanus is considered to be the most authoritative, although it is responsible for over thirty-six thousand changes that appear today in the new versions. This perverted manuscript contains the books of the pagan Apocrypha, which are not scripture; it omits the pastoral epistles (I Timothy through Titus), the Book of Revelation, and it cuts off the Book of Hebrews at Hebrews 9:14 (a very convenient stopping point for the Catholic Church, since God forbids their priesthood in Hebrews 10!). The attacks on the word of God found in these manuscripts originated in Alexandria, Egypt with the deceitful work of such pagan Greek "scholars" as Origen and Clement of Alexandria. Then in 313 A.D. the Roman emperor Constantine ordered fifty copies of "the Bible" from Eusebius, the Bishop of Caesaria. Eusebius, being a devout student of Origen's work, chose to send him manuscripts filled with Alexandrian corruption, rather than sending him the true word of God in the SYRIAN text from Antioch, Syria. So the corrupt Alexandrian text (also called the "Egyptian" or "Hesychian" type text) found it's way into the Vatican manuscript, then eventually into the Westcott and Hort Greek Text, and finally into the new "Bible" versions in your local "Christian" bookstore. Therefore, when you hear or read of someone "correcting" the King James Bible with "older" or "more authoritative" manuscripts, you are simply hearing someone trying to use a ROMAN CATHOLIC text to overthrow the God-honored text of the Protestant Reformation and the great revivals. God has never honored this corrupt text and He never will.
It is truly amazing how so many Christians have bought into this lie without ever checking to see WHAT these manuscripts are, WHERE they came from, and WHO wrote them. It's also strange that no one seems to be asking the question, "Has God honored these 'older' and 'better' manuscripts throughout Church History?" The modern translations are based on the work of two nineteenth century Greek scholars from England--B. F. Westcott and F. J. A. Hort. Westcott and Hort, who were deeply involved in the occult, hated the Textus Receptus Greek text, from which the King James Bible was translated, so they conjured up THEIR OWN Greek text. This Westcott and Hort Greek text was based primarily on two very corrupt fourth century ROMAN CATHOLIC manuscripts: Codex Vaticanus (discovered in the Pope's library in 1481) and Sinaiticus (discovered in 1859 in a trash can at St. Catherine's monastery on Mt. Sinai). These are usually the "older" and "better" manuscripts that we keep hearing so much about. These manuscripts support most of the attacks in the new versions.
The Vaticanus is considered to be the most authoritative, although it is responsible for over thirty-six thousand changes that appear today in the new versions. This perverted manuscript contains the books of the pagan Apocrypha, which are not scripture; it omits the pastoral epistles (I Timothy through Titus), the Book of Revelation, and it cuts off the Book of Hebrews at Hebrews 9:14 (a very convenient stopping point for the Catholic Church, since God forbids their priesthood in Hebrews 10!). The attacks on the word of God found in these manuscripts originated in Alexandria, Egypt with the deceitful work of such pagan Greek "scholars" as Origen and Clement of Alexandria. Then in 313 A.D. the Roman emperor Constantine ordered fifty copies of "the Bible" from Eusebius, the Bishop of Caesaria. Eusebius, being a devout student of Origen's work, chose to send him manuscripts filled with Alexandrian corruption, rather than sending him the true word of God in the SYRIAN text from Antioch, Syria. So the corrupt Alexandrian text (also called the "Egyptian" or "Hesychian" type text) found it's way into the Vatican manuscript, then eventually into the Westcott and Hort Greek Text, and finally into the new "Bible" versions in your local "Christian" bookstore. Therefore, when you hear or read of someone "correcting" the King James Bible with "older" or "more authoritative" manuscripts, you are simply hearing someone trying to use a ROMAN CATHOLIC text to overthrow the God-honored text of the Protestant Reformation and the great revivals. God has never honored this corrupt text and He never will.
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All the manuscripts were tanslated with certain words picked for their present religion like king James
the word Bless was used and it wasnt even part of the original greek language!
the original ward is KNEEL DOWN AND PRAY
they invented bless out of thin air
also the King james has four mentions of
"Frist day of the week"
when the original language had "after the Sabbath"
there is NO mention of first day of the week in the original translations...
But kning james needed a reason to keep on doing sunday worship which came from the catholic church, and there is no bible backing for it so they put it in wherever they coould
but it dont matter
no Bible verse ever says sunday is a BLESSED day
or a DAY TO WORSHIP
so it was kind of mild adjustment,
If you keep sunday you just don't follow the bible nor believe it.
people who Believe king James only are:
sunday keepers, and eternally burning hell proponents and once saved always saved
these three doctrines are not even in the king james bible but were added by King james because
1. The king didnt think he needed to kneel to anyone
2. eternal hell makes people go to church
3. once saved always saved is make you comfortable from an non existant eternal hell
so each bible has its translation flavors
but the original language is good
revivals happen in all languages without king james bible
the word Bless was used and it wasnt even part of the original greek language!
the original ward is KNEEL DOWN AND PRAY
they invented bless out of thin air
also the King james has four mentions of
"Frist day of the week"
when the original language had "after the Sabbath"
there is NO mention of first day of the week in the original translations...
But kning james needed a reason to keep on doing sunday worship which came from the catholic church, and there is no bible backing for it so they put it in wherever they coould
but it dont matter
no Bible verse ever says sunday is a BLESSED day
or a DAY TO WORSHIP
so it was kind of mild adjustment,
If you keep sunday you just don't follow the bible nor believe it.
people who Believe king James only are:
sunday keepers, and eternally burning hell proponents and once saved always saved
these three doctrines are not even in the king james bible but were added by King james because
1. The king didnt think he needed to kneel to anyone
2. eternal hell makes people go to church
3. once saved always saved is make you comfortable from an non existant eternal hell
so each bible has its translation flavors
but the original language is good
revivals happen in all languages without king james bible
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and 38miles i agree with what GOD said about scholars 
Malachi 2:12 says, "The Lord will cut off the scholar, out of the tabernacles of Jacob, and him that offereth an offering unto the Lord of hosts." If your basis on the preservation of GODS word is on men and scholars and not the holy spirit your utterly doomed for failure.
Malachi 2:12 says, "The Lord will cut off the scholar, out of the tabernacles of Jacob, and him that offereth an offering unto the Lord of hosts." If your basis on the preservation of GODS word is on men and scholars and not the holy spirit your utterly doomed for failure.
To address your other point, you do realize that the King James Bible was translated "by scholars" of that time, right? You are literally picking modern day scholars to aim your Malachi verse while failing to realize that the same verse is indelicately applicable to your central thesis about the writing of the KJV. Again, I think we're missing out on some logic here. If you require medical attention in 2014, which source will you go to: archaic practices that are hundreds of years old, or the modern practices that reveal their maturity because of study?
Id rather go to the older practices that have worked for hundreds of years, then some new drug that has no results (revivals) and no long term testing, oh and it hasnt changed in 400 yrs, where as modern versions change every year Wonder why ?
Wonder why ?
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Id rather go to the older practices that have worked for hundreds of years, then some new drug that has no results (revivals) and no long term testing, oh and it hasnt changed in 400 yrs, where as modern versions change every year Wonder why ?
Wonder why ?
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Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness;
full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man,
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Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness;
full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man,
Hey guys
this is an illegal thread.
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness;
full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man,
this is an illegal thread.
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness;
full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man,
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the jehovah's witnesses used the KJV for the majority of their history...
the mormons still use the KJV...
the seventh day adventists actually -started- the 'KJV only' movement!
in addition to those...there are these other KJV cults...
philadelphia church of God and various other armstrongist churches...
church of christ, scientist...
westboro baptist church...
so the KJV has spawned some of the longest lived and most influential cults in the history of the church...
the mormons still use the KJV...
the seventh day adventists actually -started- the 'KJV only' movement!
in addition to those...there are these other KJV cults...
philadelphia church of God and various other armstrongist churches...
church of christ, scientist...
westboro baptist church...
so the KJV has spawned some of the longest lived and most influential cults in the history of the church...
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Here is why i believe the KJV of the bible is GODs word,
No other bible has being more persecuted or questioned in history,
No other bible has anyone ever tried to destroyed.
And this is even before you even open the first page
Please enjoy and marvel
The Story of The King James Bible - YouTube
No other bible has being more persecuted or questioned in history,
No other bible has anyone ever tried to destroyed.
And this is even before you even open the first page
Please enjoy and marvel
The Story of The King James Bible - YouTube
i hear you loud and clear.
for instance... do you know what the dead sea scrolls tells us about the three major textual traditions?
in the majority of cases... (about 60% of the biblical scroll manuscripts)... the scrolls follow the masoretic text. this proven by the discovery of the entire biblical scroll of isaiah.
also did you know that the king james uses this very same masoretic text and is the only bible that matches the old testament 100% and would be 100% but alas the entire old testament biblical scrolls have never been found.
but what has been discovered matches 60% entirely to the king james version alone and no other bible has that claim... AT ALL.
and about 5%... according to all the biblical scrolls discovered... follows the septuagint versions.
another 5%... according to all the biblical scrolls discovered... match the samaritan text.
and 20%... according to all the biblical scrolls discovered... belong to a tradition unique to the dead sea scrolls alone as well.
and 10%... according to all the biblical scrolls discovered... are nonaligned.
the key point is that the readings in the scrolls show that many variations in the biblical text are of long standing and are not simply errors in later transmission.
in other words... man changes the bible even though the original was right in front of them... PERIOD.
it wasn't the original texts themselves that changed but man's interpretation changed it's original holy texts.
lets take a look further about the masoretic text... this study was based on the major holy bibles used... king james was the only one dead on... each time.
faithful hebrew scribes took the task of copying god's word seriously. and according to the hebrew talmud the rules of the scribe consisted of the following:
(1.) the skins of the parchment had to be prepared in a special way and dedicated to god. in order to have god's words written on them they had to be clean.
(2.) the ink that was used was to be black and made in accordance to a special recipe used only for writing scripture.
(3.) the words written could not be duplicated by memory, but must be reproduced from an authentic copy which the scribe had before him. the scribe had to say each word aloud when he wrote them.
(4.) each time the scribe came across the hebrew word for god he had to wash his whole body before he could write it.
(5.) if a sheet of parchment had one mistake on it the sheet was condemned. if there were three mistakes found on any page the whole manuscript was condemned. each scroll had to be checked within thirty days of it's writing or it was considered unholy.
(6.) every word and letter was counted. if a letter or word was omitted the manuscript was condemned.
as to the accuracy of the hebrew old testament in our day, a study was done on the 581 manuscripts of the old testament which involved 280,000,000 letters. the study concluded:
(1.) out of 280,000,000 letters there were 900,000 variants. although seemingly large to the reader it is only one variant in 316 words, which is 1/3 of 1%.
(2.) Of those 900,000 variants, 750,000 pertained to spelling, whether the letter should be an I or U. this has to do with vowel points for the purpose of pronouncing the word.
(3.) that leaves 150,000 variants in 280,000,000 letters. that is one variant in 1580 letters with a degree of accuracy of .0006 (6 ten thousandths).
(4.) most of the variants were found in just a few manuscripts; in fact, mostly in just one corrupted manuscript.
(5.) the earliest masoretic text is dated 900 AD. In the book of isaiah, only one three letter word was different.
(6.) the masoretic text is the true text, because the dead seas scrolls were written by the essenes and they matched what the jewish priest who was designated to write and rewrite god's holy word.
also did you know the king james bible was on the vatican’s forbidden book list for hundreds of years.
pope pius IV had a list of the forbidden books compiled and officially prohibited them in the index of trent... index librorum prohibitorum of 1559.
this is an excerpt from that index of trent itself written by the pope pius IV himself:
rule IV...
since experience teaches that, if the reading of the holy bible in the vernacular is permitted generally without discrimination, more damage than advantage will result because of the boldness of men, the judgment of bishops and inquisitors is to serve as guide in this regard. bishops and inquisitors may, in accord with the counsel of the local priest and confessor, allow catholic translations of the bible to be read by those of whom they realize that such reading will not lead to the detriment but to the increase of faith and piety. the permission is to be given in writing. whoever reads or has such a translation in his possession without this permission cannot be absolved from his sins until he has turned in these bibles …
isn't this absurd.
why ban the king james bible and declare that if you own this holy bible that you aren't forgiven of your sins and are goin to die and go to hell basically for having this holy bible.
take a look at this chart below...
king james... god's pure unadulterated holy word... as it was then and so shall it be now...
mark 13:31
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
god keeps his holy word true and pure... before all creation... from genesis to revelation... and even onto eternity...
god bless