Attack of the Judaizers

[Simiel]

So do we just say Messiah, or do we teach and follow what He said?

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Keeping the 2 greatest commandments or walking like Christ we keep you from lawlessness

 

[Hizikyah]

Keeping the 2 greatest commandments or walking like Christ we keep you from lawlessness

Yahshua says these are the greatest Commandments, NOT THE ONLY! If that weren't enough He clearly states all the Law hand on these 2.

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:

Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."

All as in even the ones he didn't list...

Try breaking Leviticus 19:17 and still be loving your neighbor according to Messiah.

And try breaking the 4th Commandment and still be loving Yahweh.

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."

 

[phil112]

Yahshua says these are the greatest Commandments, NOT THE ONLY! If that weren't enough He clearly states all the Law hand on these 2.

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."

What bible are you reading out of? Is it really that different from the KJV, are you a poor reader, or are you deliberately twisting the scriptures?

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. [SUP] [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.
[SUP] [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP] [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

"if there be any other commandment"........To say it is comprehended in this second commandment means simply this: If you break any of the dated commandments, you have broken one of the ONLY two that we now have. By keeping those two commandments you can completely forget about the old ones. They no longer apply to you, nor do they have any power over you.
And to call them laws is a perversion of the original language. Doctrine is the translation, not laws.

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

The law pointed us to Christ. Once there, it has fulfilled its purpose and is no longer necessary. You really don't understand what you are presenting to us here.

Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

 

[Hizikyah]

What bible are you reading out of? Is it really that different from the KJV, are you a poor reader, or are you deliberately twisting the scriptures?

I choose truth over tradition, however you seem to hate anything hebrew? why is this appearing this way? You know there is a hebrew version of Matt, and all the 12 disciples were Hebrew with hebrew names, and was the Messiah.

"if there be any other commandment"........To say it is comprehended in this second commandment means simply this: If you break any of the dated commandments, you have broken one of the ONLY two that we now have. By keeping those two commandments you can completely forget about the old ones. They no longer apply to you, nor do they have any power over you.
And to call them laws is a perversion of the original language. Doctrine is the translation, not laws.

The law pointed us to Christ. Once there, it has fulfilled its purpose and is no longer necessary. You really don't understand what you are presenting to us here.

If you cant understqnd this then IDK what to tell you.

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:

Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; bitterly opposed to, Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Isayah 30:9-13, "That this rebellious people, lying children, are children who will not hear; (listen to), the Law of Yahweh; Who say to the seers; Do not see! Who say to the prophets; Do not prophesy right things to us, speak smooth things to us, prophesy deceits; Get out of the way, turn away from the path, cause the Holy One of Israyl to cease from our presence! Therefore, this is what the Holy One of Israyl says: Because you despise this word (the Law) , and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon. Therefore, this iniquity will be to you like a breach; a weakened wall ready to fall a bulge of a high wall which breaks suddenly, in an instant."

 

[Karraster]

What bible are you reading out of? Is it really that different from the KJV, are you a poor reader, or are you deliberately twisting the scriptures?




"if there be any other commandment"........To say it is comprehended in this second commandment means simply this: If you break any of the dated commandments, you have broken one of the ONLY two that we now have. By keeping those two commandments you can completely forget about the old ones. They no longer apply to you, nor do they have any power over you.
And to call them laws is a perversion of the original language. Doctrine is the translation, not laws.



The law pointed us to Christ. Once there, it has fulfilled its purpose and is no longer necessary. You really don't understand what you are presenting to us here.

..but Phil, how can you know what the old commandments are? Don't you need to know them to know what the new 2 hang on?

 

[Karraster]

Really I just stopped by to see if anybody wanted a coffee? Looks like another all nighter on the hummingbird thread.

 

[loveme1]

Salvation is of Jews, for all that come to believe.

Luke 11

27And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Matthew 5

5 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[phil112]

..but Phil, how can you know what the old commandments are? Don't you need to know them to know what the new 2 hang on?

Nope. If you love God and your neighbor more than yourself, that is, with all your heart, you will never break another law again.
Not that there is anything wrong with knowing them, certainly they have their place in a sinners life, and they are what schooled us to knowing we were wrong and to seek redemption. The whole problem I see is the stubborn clinging to something that no man can keep, and that if we try we will fail and suffer the ultimate fate.

 

[Hizikyah]

Nope. If you love God and your neighbor more than yourself, that is, with all your heart, you will never break another law again.
Not that there is anything wrong with knowing them, certainly they have their place in a sinners life, and they are what schooled us to knowing we were wrong and to seek redemption. The whole problem I see is the stubborn clinging to something that no man can keep, and that if we try we will fail and suffer the ultimate fate.

Scripture disagrees with you, after all, how do we love?

Deuteronomy 6:5, "And you must dlove Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Leviticus 19:18, "Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am Yahweh."

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:

Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself.

 

[Karraster]

Nope. If you love God and your neighbor more than yourself, that is, with all your heart, you will never break another law again.
Not that there is anything wrong with knowing them, certainly they have their place in a sinners life, and they are what schooled us to knowing we were wrong and to seek redemption. The whole problem I see is the stubborn clinging to something that no man can keep, and that if we try we will fail and suffer the ultimate fate.

why do some say they can't be obeyed? In all honesty I am seeing it is a debate over Sabbath. At least I hope I'm not conversing with a murderer.

 

[Angela53510]

why do some say they can't be obeyed? In all honesty I am seeing it is a debate over Sabbath. At least I hope I'm not conversing with a murderer.

So you are too pure and holy to talk with a murderer? Paul was an accessory to murder, but God forgave him and called him as an evangelist to the Gentiles.

God can forgive a murder, he can forgive anyone.

Back about 20 years ago, we had a man in our church who had murdered someone and gone to jail. He got saved in jail, and when he was released, he started a large prison ministry, to take the gospel to the murderers, liars, and thieves of the world.

That is what God told us to do. We are saved by the grace of God, and no sin is too great for God to forgive.

Only pride thinks it is better than the sinners in the world. Because we are all sinners, saved by grace.

"God demonstrates his love for us in this, that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8

 

[Karraster]

So you are too pure and holy to talk with a murderer? Paul was an accessory to murder, but God forgave him and called him as an evangelist to the Gentiles.

God can forgive a murder, he can forgive anyone.

Back about 20 years ago, we had a man in our church who had murdered someone and gone to jail. He got saved in jail, and when he was released, he started a large prison ministry, to take the gospel to the murderers, liars, and thieves of the world.

That is what God told us to do. We are saved by the grace of God, and no sin is too great for God to forgive.

Only pride thinks it is better than the sinners in the world. Because we are all sinners, saved by grace.

"God demonstrates his love for us in this, that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8

Hey, Phil picks on me. I can't say nothin back? common Ang, where's the love?

 

[Rockbysea]

In all honesty I am seeing it is a debate over Sabbath.

That's exactly what it is. For most it’s the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day Sabbath from sunset to sunset. It’s impossible for billions of people in this world to keep and you all know it. For others it’s about 7 other Sabbaths (from sunset to sunset) and the feast (9 days) and lots and lots of money and food laws… even more impossible for billions of people to keep and you all know it.

I’m not against anyone who wants to incorporate these observances in their worship. But to go around telling people that these observances are a prerequisite to salvation that’s when I start calling them spiritual terrorists. And spiritual terrorists should be called out because they have a doctrine of death. They do not service Christ by going around threatening people with damnation for not observing Sabbaths that were meant to be observed by a sovereign nation ruled directly by God. And like wolves the spiritual terrorists work in packs. So these types of animals must be confronted peaceably but firmly in the same way Christ dealt with them all those years ago.

 

[Karraster]

That's exactly what it is. For most it’s the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day Sabbath from sunset to sunset. It’s impossible for billions of people in this world to keep and you all know it. For others it’s about 7 other Sabbaths (from sunset to sunset) and the feast (9 days) and lots and lots of money and food laws… even more impossible for billions of people to keep and you all know it.

I’m not against anyone who wants to incorporate these observances in their worship. But to go around telling people that these observances are a prerequisite to salvation that’s when I start calling them spiritual terrorists. And spiritual terrorists should be called out because they have a doctrine of death. They do not service Christ by going around threatening people with damnation for not observing Sabbaths that were meant to be observed by a sovereign nation ruled directly by God. And like wolves the spiritual terrorists work in packs. So these types of animals must be confronted peaceably but firmly in the same way Christ dealt with them all those years ago.

animals? are you an Islamist? That is language they use, in case you didn't know. You didn't know, right? Anyhow, Messiah kept Sabbath, and He kept it perfectly. It's not my business if you do or don't, any more than it's your business if I do.

 

[danschance]

animals? are you an Islamist? That is language they use, in case you didn't know. You didn't know, right? Anyhow, Messiah kept Sabbath, and He kept it perfectly. It's not my business if you do or don't, any more than it's your business if I do.

No he is not a Muslim as he talks about Christ and Christianity.

 

[danschance]

That's exactly what it is. For most it’s the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day Sabbath from sunset to sunset. It’s impossible for billions of people in this world to keep and you all know it. For others it’s about 7 other Sabbaths (from sunset to sunset) and the feast (9 days) and lots and lots of money and food laws… even more impossible for billions of people to keep and you all know it.

I’m not against anyone who wants to incorporate these observances in their worship. But to go around telling people that these observances are a prerequisite to salvation that’s when I start calling them spiritual terrorists. And spiritual terrorists should be called out because they have a doctrine of death. They do not service Christ by going around threatening people with damnation for not observing Sabbaths that were meant to be observed by a sovereign nation ruled directly by God. And like wolves the spiritual terrorists work in packs. So these types of animals must be confronted peaceably but firmly in the same way Christ dealt with them all those years ago.

I am with you. I have been to several Passover meals (Seders) but never because I thought it was current law for me. Col 2:16-17 makes it clear, we as Christians are not bound to them. It is offensive when people claim that it is current law as they are denying grace.

 

[Rockbysea]

animals? are you an Islamist? That is language they use, in case you didn't know. It's not my business if you do or don't, any more than it's your business if I do.

Christ said brood of vipers… I say pack of wolves…. Brood…. Pack…. Are similar terms and wolves and vipers are both animals so what I say is ‘scriptural” and similar to Christ’s style and appropriately applied to the modern day Pharisee.

Of course it’s not my business if you keep the Sabbath but why do you and the pack insist on making it everybody’s business by posting countless repetitive threads predominantly containing copied and plastered scripture and commentary from existing files to try to drive it down people’s throats ad nausea? What’s the real agenda here? Do you really expect people to believe it’s the salvation of souls? Is every soul in the world under Satan’s governments doomed to the fires of hell no matter what good deeds they accomplish by the power of Christ just because they don’t rest from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset? Of course not! It’s obvious the agenda is to sow discord and not to bring the easy yoke of Christ and the good tidings to the poor, enslaved and oppressed inhabitants of this world. And your forefathers, the Pharisees, didn't have any good tidings or easy yoke to bring to the poor of this world during the time of Christ either.

What will be the reasons given by Christ for sparing the sheep at His coming: “for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

Do you see any 7th day Sabbath keeping or any righteous beef eating among the above reasons?

 

[Karraster]

Christ said brood of vipers… I say pack of wolves…. Brood…. Pack…. Are similar terms and wolves and vipers are both animals so what I say is ‘scriptural” and similar to Christ’s style and appropriately applied to the modern day Pharisee.

Of course it’s not my business if you keep the Sabbath but why do you and the pack insist on making it everybody’s business by posting countless repetitive threads predominantly containing copied and plastered scripture and commentary from existing files to try to drive it down people’s throats ad nausea? What’s the real agenda here? Do you really expect people to believe it’s the salvation of souls? Is every soul in the world under Satan’s governments doomed to the fires of hell no matter what good deeds they accomplish by the power of Christ just because they don’t rest from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset? Of course not! It’s obvious the agenda is to sow discord and not to bring the easy yoke of Christ and the good tidings to the poor, enslaved and oppressed inhabitants of this world. And your forefathers, the Pharisees, didn't have any good tidings or easy yoke to bring to the poor of this world during the time of Christ either.

What will be the reasons given by Christ for sparing the sheep at His coming: “for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

Do you see any 7th day Sabbath keeping or any righteous beef eating among the above reasons?

[SUP]10 [/SUP]At that time many will be trapped into betraying and hating each other, [SUP]11 [/SUP]many false prophets will appear and fool many people; [SUP]12 [/SUP]and many people’s love will grow cold because of increased distance from Torah. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But whoever holds out till the end will be delivered. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And this Good News about the Kingdom will be announced throughout the whole world as a witness to all the Goyim. It is then that the end will come.

 

[JaumeJ]

I see in the pasted post responded to the person who does not like repeated posts with quotes cut and pasted from any in support of observing the seventh day as opposed to the first day. Yahweh selected the Seventh day to be remembered, man changed it to the first day.

As for countless posts and pastes, those who have voted to change the number 7 to the number 1 do this more than any of those who support agreement with the Father. This is because they are a brood of apostates. After all apostasy is man-made doctrine purported as if it were from Yahweh. Yes a real brood of hypocrites.

 

[john832]

Nope. If you love God and your neighbor more than yourself, that is, with all your heart, you will never break another law again.

Nice reasoning, but it is wrong...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.
Rom 7:16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

Says Paul, twenty-some years after conversion. Unless, perhaps, you think yourself greater than Paul.

Not that there is anything wrong with knowing them, certainly they have their place in a sinners life, and they are what schooled us to knowing we were wrong and to seek redemption. The whole problem I see is the stubborn clinging to something that no man can keep, and that if we try we will fail and suffer the ultimate fate.

I keep seeing this same malarkey spouted about the two Great Commandments replacing the Ten Commandments as if they are some new and different Commands of Jesus that replaced the Ten Commandments. I find this superficial reasoning amusing. The NKJV helps out here...

Mar 12:29 Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'HEAR, O ISRAEL, THE LORD OUR GOD, THE LORD IS ONE.
Mar 12:30 AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.' This is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31 And the second, like it, is this: 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' There is no other commandment greater than these."

Notice the quotations? Means it is a quote. First and greatest Commandment quoted from Deuteronomy 10...

Deu 10:12 "And now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require of you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and to love Him, to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul,
Deu 10:13 and to keep the commandments of the LORD and His statutes which I command you today for your good?

When Christ quoted this, He did not have to quote the entire passage, His audience KNEW what He meant.

Now for the second Great Commandment we see in Mark 12:31, comes from this passage...

Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Comes from Leviticus 19. Notice the context here...

Lev 19:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 19:2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy.
Lev 19:3 Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.

Lev 19:11 Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
Lev 19:12 And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
Lev 19:13 Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
Lev 19:14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
Lev 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
Lev 19:16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
Lev 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Lev 19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

This is all tied in to "love thy neighbour as thyself".

The Two Great Commands that are misrepresented so much as replacing the Torah, are really just the summation of the Torah. If one had to reduce the Law down to two simple sentences, one would say...

Mar 12:29 Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'HEAR, O ISRAEL, THE LORD OUR GOD, THE LORD IS ONE.
Mar 12:30 AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.' This is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31 And the second, like it, is this: 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' There is no other commandment greater than these."

This is no way replaces the Law, it simply sums it up in two short sentences. Paul said the same thing...

Rom 13:9 For the commandments, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," "YOU SHALL NOT MURDER," "YOU SHALL NOT STEAL," "YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS," "YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

Summing up the Law does not do away with it, or replace it, it simply states in a concise sentence. It is a gross misrepresentation of scripure and truth to say the Two Great Commandments replaced or did away with the Law.