Manifest Sons of God doctrine

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wanderer6059

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I have claimed that I know a good deal about the pagan movements. I claimed I never heard of the so-caleld Charismatic movement until seeing it mentioned on this website and thus my interest to know what it was. If that helps clear up your confusion.

And by the way, I just met Simiel a week ago, should I consider him my friend? I think I should and I come not to defend his position but to defend the word of God written in the Bible.
9 Whoever walks in integrity walks securely,
but whoever takes crooked paths will be found out.
 
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They see what they want to see... The know what only the human mind can wrap around... But say what you please my brothers I denied my self some time ago. I can't feel reject for God has accepted me. You can't brake me for God made me.. You can't take away from me what you never gave me... Repent (Chang the way you think) that's when the transformation happens
 
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Here's something for you to read while your busy comparing yourself to the Apostle Paul:

Gal 1:7-9 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Good quote. So now you believe what Simiel has been preaching unto you?
 

Rachel20

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I have claimed that I know a good deal about the pagan movements. I claimed I never heard of the so-caleld Charismatic movement until seeing it mentioned on this website and thus my interest to know what it was. If that helps clear up your confusion.

And by the way, I just met Simiel a week ago, should I consider him my friend? I think I should and I come not to defend his position but to defend the word of God written in the Bible.

You can do whatever you wish. I have no confusion regarding you.
You are answerable to God. If you deny Him , this is what He says

Matthew 10:33
But whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.



You can choose who you listen to.

Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
 
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You can do whatever you wish. I have no confusion regarding you.
You are answerable to God. If you deny Him , this is what He says

Matthew 10:33
But whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.



You can choose who you listen to.

Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
Did any body deny God here?
 
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Arwen4CJ

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@arwen, ya all those statements are supported by the Gospels, sorry to inform you. The Son of God was a Man. Look, Simiel justh ave a hard time explaining it to you people. What he is saying is God the Father is the one up past the heavens sitting on His throne now, today, everyday, for always. His Holy Spirit is in all things and moved across the waters and created, well, everything. His Son is his fleshy incarnation if you will bear such a term. Thus it is Jesus was a Man, but He was also God, and he of course had His Holy Spirit.

Do you understand now?
No one here is denying Jesus' humanity.

What Simiel says is clearly consistent with NAR/hyper-charismatic teaching. He is saying that Jesus left His deity when He came to earth, and that Jesus was only a man here, and that He did everything by the power of the Holy Spirit. This is a heresy known as kenosis. If Simiel doesn't know what that teaching is, he's doing a very clear job of explaining it.

The thing is that Simiel denies the incarnation by saying that Jesus gave up His divine powers when He came here. He has clearly stated that he does not believe that Jesus was God while on earth.

He denies that Jesus was both man and God.

You are reading Simiel's statements through an orthodox lens. Put that down and read the statements that he is making. He said that Jesus was not God while on earth. He has affirmed this position over and over and over again.
 
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You can do whatever you wish. I have no confusion regarding you.
You are answerable to God. If you deny Him , this is what He says

Matthew 10:33
But whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.



You can choose who you listen to.

Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
I haven't denied Jesus nor has Simiel.

Is not his philosophy the one that comes from Jesus own lips as written in four Gospels preserved throughout the ages?
 

wanderer6059

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Correct. So you have exposed yourself and I forgive you.
no not me but just giving you and simiel something to think about insted of your lies and false teachings



  • Psalms 14:1 The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good.
    Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
    Proverbs 10:13 In the lips of him that has understanding wisdom is found: but a rod is for the back of him that is void of understanding.
    Proverbs 10:14 Wise men lay up knowledge: but the mouth of the foolish is near destruction.
    Proverbs 14:1 Every wise woman builds her house: but the foolish plucks it down with her hands.
    Proverbs 14:15 The simple believes every word: but the prudent man looks well to his going.
    Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.
    Proverbs 20:3 It is an honor for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling.
    Proverbs 29:11 A fool utters all his mind: but a wise man keeps it in till afterwards.
    Ecclesiastes 4:5 The fool folds his hands together, and eats his own flesh.
    Ecclesiastes 7:9 Be not hasty in your spirit to be angry: for anger rests in the bosom of fools.
    Titus 3:3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
 
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I have bread to give.
You have stones to throw o_O
 

Rachel20

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They see what they want to see... The know what only the human mind can wrap around... But say what you please my brothers I denied my self some time ago. I can't feel reject for God has accepted me. You can't brake me for God made me.. You can't take away from me what you never gave me... Repent (Chang the way you think) that's when the transformation happens

Interesting how you couldn't quite bring a correlation with Adam. Repent for what? For quoting scripture and showing you that Jesus is God?

No one is rejecting you or trying to ''brake'' you.

This is what was expected of us


2 Corinthians 10:5

We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ
 
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no not me but just giving you and simiel something to think about insted of your lies and false teachings



  • Psalms 14:1 The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good.
    Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
    Proverbs 10:13 In the lips of him that has understanding wisdom is found: but a rod is for the back of him that is void of understanding.
    Proverbs 10:14 Wise men lay up knowledge: but the mouth of the foolish is near destruction.
    Proverbs 14:1 Every wise woman builds her house: but the foolish plucks it down with her hands.
    Proverbs 14:15 The simple believes every word: but the prudent man looks well to his going.
    Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.
    Proverbs 20:3 It is an honor for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling.
    Proverbs 29:11 A fool utters all his mind: but a wise man keeps it in till afterwards.
    Ecclesiastes 4:5 The fool folds his hands together, and eats his own flesh.
    Ecclesiastes 7:9 Be not hasty in your spirit to be angry: for anger rests in the bosom of fools.
    Titus 3:3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
Good teachings especially that last one. And I forgive you.
 
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You never answer my question about Adam.
 

Rachel20

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Did any body deny God here?
I haven't denied Jesus nor has Simiel.

Is not his philosophy the one that comes from Jesus own lips as written in four Gospels preserved throughout the ages?

Did I say YOU denied him. I quoted Scripture which poses a warning.

Anyway, anyone can just peruse through the thread and see what everyone else has posted. You are answerable to God and people can decide for themselves.
 
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I haven't denied Jesus nor has Simiel.

Is not his philosophy the one that comes from Jesus own lips as written in four Gospels preserved throughout the ages?
No.

John 4:25-26 The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming (He who is called Christ); when that One comes, He will declare all things to us.” Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.”
 

Rachel20

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You never answer my question about Adam.
I did. I called your statement out to be WHOLLY FALSE.

As for your question on what that made Adam though , here it is -

Adam was created by God, not BORN OF God. He was a man. He is considered the son of God but he was not God.