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Another thing, when the bible says "As it is written" such as the verse I used in an earlier post in the thread... well, if the words of a translation change "the just shall live by faith" the the comparative method is toast, because "But the righteous man shall live by faith" is not exactly written. We just cannot build the way God intends, with "profit" & "right division", following a pattern using a "form of sound words", "sound speech". The knowledge of God.
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Brother i I know you aren't this dumb. The opinion that any translation is better than the other is subjective. They all teach the same message.
The KJV has the word Easter in it, not sure they were painting eggs 2000 years ago!
The KJV has the word Easter in it, not sure they were painting eggs 2000 years ago!
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Let me tell you what is subjective --- the notion that an earlier manuscript must [ automatically ] be a more correct one...
Yes - the general propensity for it should be the case; however, it is only one of several important factors to consider.
Let me tell you what is subjective --- the notion that an earlier manuscript must [ automatically ] be a more correct one...
Yes - the general propensity for it should be the case; however, it is only one of several important factors to consider.
How do you figure, no they don't and this is why, when it comes to doctrine, words have meaning. Romans 1:17 "as it is written" in the nasb or esv would never lead you to Romans 1:26 or Gal 3:11, let alone Habakkuk or Hebrews. The bible speaks of a "form of doctrine" for a reason.
Take a good look at Romans 3:22 "the righteousness of God" which is by the "faith of Jesus Christ" has nothing to do with Christ being identified in Romans 3:26 in this way "that He might be just" we know this because His righteousness is mentioned in the first part of the v26.
When words as minor as "just, to, of, in" are changed, doctrine is lost. Romans 1:4 for instance the word "with" power, change that word and you begin to unravel doctrine of Deity & resurrection when it comes to literal & comparative study... it really has a domino affect, people do not even realize how damaging things are in this matter. Anyway, I love talking about the bible, gotta scoot, enjoy today.
Take a good look at Romans 3:22 "the righteousness of God" which is by the "faith of Jesus Christ" has nothing to do with Christ being identified in Romans 3:26 in this way "that He might be just" we know this because His righteousness is mentioned in the first part of the v26.
When words as minor as "just, to, of, in" are changed, doctrine is lost. Romans 1:4 for instance the word "with" power, change that word and you begin to unravel doctrine of Deity & resurrection when it comes to literal & comparative study... it really has a domino affect, people do not even realize how damaging things are in this matter. Anyway, I love talking about the bible, gotta scoot, enjoy today.
The Jesus of the KJV is not the Jesus of the NIV.
The real Jesus in the KJV is an eternal being with no beginning.
Micah 5:2
King James Version (KJV)
2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Another Jesus in the NIV is a created being whose origins are from old.
Micah 5:2
New International Version (NIV)
2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans[a] of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
from ancient times.”
Can you see the difference between these 2 versions? Jesus had no origin. The NIV Jesus is not the real Jesus.
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The real Jesus in the KJV is an eternal being with no beginning.
Micah 5:2
King James Version (KJV)
2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Another Jesus in the NIV is a created being whose origins are from old.
Micah 5:2
New International Version (NIV)
2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans[a] of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
from ancient times.”
Can you see the difference between these 2 versions? Jesus had no origin. The NIV Jesus is not the real Jesus.
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but the righteous man shall live by faith
the just shall live by faith
Both statements say the same thing. They however can be taken in different contexts as they are vague statements.
They could mean that you need not worry about your well being and rely on random chances to survive (not accurate at all to reality)
nothing is truly demonstrable within the bible. Ex: the earth is not 6000-10000 years old as suggested in Genesis; creation of humans and all other species exactly at the same time including dinosaurs; bats being birds; the sky being made of firmament etc etc.
The message of the bible is what is important and not all of that is even correct and justified. Ex: slavery; lack of equal rights etc etc.
the just shall live by faith
Both statements say the same thing. They however can be taken in different contexts as they are vague statements.
They could mean that you need not worry about your well being and rely on random chances to survive (not accurate at all to reality)
nothing is truly demonstrable within the bible. Ex: the earth is not 6000-10000 years old as suggested in Genesis; creation of humans and all other species exactly at the same time including dinosaurs; bats being birds; the sky being made of firmament etc etc.
The message of the bible is what is important and not all of that is even correct and justified. Ex: slavery; lack of equal rights etc etc.
The Jesus of the KJV is the Son of man.
The Jesus of the NIV is a son of man... a mortal man.
Revelation 1:13 (KJV) And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, ...
Revelation 1:13 (NIV) and among the lampstands was someone "like a son of man," ...
Revelation 14:14 (KJV) And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, ...
Revelation 14:14 (NIV) I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one "like a son of man" ...
The Jesus of the KJV is the Son of God.
The Jesus of the NIV is a son of the gods.... a nephilim.
Daniel 3:25 (KJV) He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Daniel 3:25 (NIV) He said, "Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods."
The Jesus of the NIV is a son of man... a mortal man.
Revelation 1:13 (KJV) And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, ...
Revelation 1:13 (NIV) and among the lampstands was someone "like a son of man," ...
Revelation 14:14 (KJV) And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, ...
Revelation 14:14 (NIV) I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one "like a son of man" ...
The Jesus of the KJV is the Son of God.
The Jesus of the NIV is a son of the gods.... a nephilim.
Daniel 3:25 (KJV) He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Daniel 3:25 (NIV) He said, "Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods."
Okay, so, this is my last post for awhile, because I need to get back to my study. I came upon this place one night last month, because my husband had this job taking him out of town quite a bit, but he finished the job and will be home today and work in area from now on. Funny thing, he does come home in between and around my birthday he said,"what do you keep typing on your phone?" I was like,"oh, nothing." Then looking over to him I said,"couple weeks ago I came across this Christian chat board when you were gone." He said,"!!! You are blogging again!!!" I said," no, I have never blogged, this is CHAT, chatting... Yes, I am chatting with Christians online again." He said, " you mean arguing. You are arguing with Christians." Sigh, long story short, my husband allows me to make my own choices, but he reminds me, because he cares, that this kind of activity really can be negative & unhealthy. I consider his advise. I have spent enough time here to the neglect of what really gives me joy, "study to be quiet and work with your own hands", God cares for my positive energy, too, smiling, just like my husband and they both allow me the freedom to choose how I move in faith. So, last post. Nice to have met you Oak.
I hope that you will consider the "message" of Christianity is one portion of the whole of the matter when it comes to the bible, the book is for "instruction" remember we spoke about this, the doctrine of God is for "instruction in righteousness" for that "spirit that is of God" the book has been copied by God's very instruction to do so, because He will preserve it's integrity. Which He has done in the curriculum of words inspired in the kjv.
I saw a post I missed that you made in response to me earlier, at the end of my post you quoted, the bold word, is for you. "when they knew God" means all. But, when you quoted it, "when they know God" gives a different sense, as if some might not know, this is exactly what people claim who look for evidence of God or proof of the inspired, preserved word of God... "how do we or how can we know" they say. This influence or mentality is what suppressing "holding" the truth in unrighteousness is all about. If God, who cannot lie, says He will preserve His word, then He will. This goes back to the garden, "yea hath God said?" Yes, He did is the response. People have the choice, they make it or they don't. Free will to believe God or not. The words have meaning, there is a very important tool at stake here for workman & the Godhead.
I hope that you will consider the "message" of Christianity is one portion of the whole of the matter when it comes to the bible, the book is for "instruction" remember we spoke about this, the doctrine of God is for "instruction in righteousness" for that "spirit that is of God" the book has been copied by God's very instruction to do so, because He will preserve it's integrity. Which He has done in the curriculum of words inspired in the kjv.
I saw a post I missed that you made in response to me earlier, at the end of my post you quoted, the bold word, is for you. "when they knew God" means all. But, when you quoted it, "when they know God" gives a different sense, as if some might not know, this is exactly what people claim who look for evidence of God or proof of the inspired, preserved word of God... "how do we or how can we know" they say. This influence or mentality is what suppressing "holding" the truth in unrighteousness is all about. If God, who cannot lie, says He will preserve His word, then He will. This goes back to the garden, "yea hath God said?" Yes, He did is the response. People have the choice, they make it or they don't. Free will to believe God or not. The words have meaning, there is a very important tool at stake here for workman & the Godhead.
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How can the bible be an instruction manual for morality? or as you said, "righteousness" when it says owning and beating slaves is okay. When it condones murder as long as it is not of your own tribe, when God supposedly killed off the whole population even though less than 100 years later the pyramids were being built...
The truth is you are adding feelings to random, vague assertions that have no bearing on real life. I feel sorry for you and I hope you get over your confusion soon.
If you had a real rebuttal to what I posted in post #292 you would convince the world and win a nobel prize.
The truth is you are adding feelings to random, vague assertions that have no bearing on real life. I feel sorry for you and I hope you get over your confusion soon.
If you had a real rebuttal to what I posted in post #292 you would convince the world and win a nobel prize.
And, another thing, I will see you in heaven. Because when you believed the gospel of your salvation as delivered to you in the simplicity of Christ, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise. God is faithful. He who has begun a good work in you will do it. That is the message of Christianity, teach your children well.