That's not nice though John you simply refuse to even listen to what anyone has to say i'm sure you don't even read anything we post i see what your doing though " it's either my way or everyone else wrong " that attitude is going to get you no way not because you don't feel the same way others feel means your right, you should be asking yourself why we saying what we are saying
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In Nazi Germany they called fundamental christians of any denomination that kept the bible old and new JUDAIZERS and passed a law to kill all judaizers it was a religous war. Calling people Judaizers is NAzi talk. Judaizers is offensive word and should be removed from this website as well as niggers and other bigot terminology.
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IS NEVER CALLED THE LAW OF GOD
EVER! IT IS THE COVENANT GO READ
This confusion is perpertrated by every false teacher, and false doctor...
1. The Book of the law Moses was written in a book
a scroll by Moses
THE LAW
It was called the LAW, the sacrifices, the circumcisions the feasts and the cleansings
Exo 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, ... And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law,
and put it in the side of the ark
of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
THE COVENANT
The ten commandment Law God written on stone, not in a book.
It was called the covenant - The ten commandments.
Deu 10:1 At that time the LORD said unto me, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount, and make thee an ark of wood. And I (God)will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest,
and thou shalt put them in the ark.
Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. Deu 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. and thou shalt put them in the ark.
Two different things law and the commandments
The law Moses wrote, is fulfilled
The commandments covenant is binding
King james mixed up the two
if you remained mixed up then hosea says
In the same sentance Jesus said
LAW
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
next sentance
COMMANDMENTS
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:
because thou hast rejected knowledge,
I will also reject thee,
that thou shalt be no priest to me:
seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God,
I will also forget thy children.
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IS NEVER CALLED THE LAW OF GOD
EVER! IT IS THE COVENANT GO READ
This confusion is perpertrated by every false teacher, and false doctor...
1. The Book of the law Moses was written in a book
a scroll by Moses
THE LAW
It was called the LAW, the sacrifices, the circumcisions the feasts and the cleansings
Exo 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, ... And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law,
and put it in the side of the ark
of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
THE COVENANT
The ten commandment Law God written on stone, not in a book.
It was called the covenant - The ten commandments.
Deu 10:1 At that time the LORD said unto me, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount, and make thee an ark of wood. And I (God)will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest,
and thou shalt put them in the ark.
Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. Deu 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. and thou shalt put them in the ark.
Two different things law and the commandments
The law Moses wrote, is fulfilled
The commandments covenant is binding
King james mixed up the two
if you remained mixed up then hosea says
In the same sentance Jesus said
LAW
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
next sentance
COMMANDMENTS
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:
because thou hast rejected knowledge,
I will also reject thee,
that thou shalt be no priest to me:
seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God,
I will also forget thy children.
That says it all. . .Jesus explained why some don't see.
Several things:
1) Your setting of Paul against himself reveals your misunderstanding (unbelief?) of the NT word of God spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.
2) Rather convenient of you to leave off in the following verse his answer to his desperate cry,
"Who will deliver me?"
7:25 - "Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
3) Nor does your misrepresentation of Paul have to wait for the resurrection for the exposure of its blatant falsehood.
4) What you don't see couldn't be more obvious; i.e., Paul is bemoaning his powerless in the conflict between the law of sin and the law of God,
and is giving the NT gospel solution--deliverance from sin is not by self-effort of law keeping, which he cannot do, but only in Jesus Christ, accessed only through faith by grace.
Thy speech doth betray thee, and for all to see.
Several things:
1) Your setting of Paul against himself reveals your misunderstanding (unbelief?) of the NT word of God spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.
2) Rather convenient of you to leave off in the following verse his answer to his desperate cry,
"Who will deliver me?"
7:25 - "Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
3) Nor does your misrepresentation of Paul have to wait for the resurrection for the exposure of its blatant falsehood.
4) What you don't see couldn't be more obvious; i.e., Paul is bemoaning his powerless in the conflict between the law of sin and the law of God,
and is giving the NT gospel solution--deliverance from sin is not by self-effort of law keeping, which he cannot do, but only in Jesus Christ, accessed only through faith by grace.
Thy speech doth betray thee, and for all to see.
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Elin, your applications of "law" do not state if you are referring to the Old Covenant ceremonial law, or the "Law of the Lord" (Psalm 1; 119, etc.). By lumping these together you create all manner of confusion and contradiction. Please read Psalm 1 and Psalm 119, both of which declare the perpetuity of the Law of the Lord. Then go to 1 John 3:4 and you will understand why "...whosoever sinneth transgresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law." John, writing well into the New Covenant was speaking of the moral law, "the Law of the Lord." See also Matt. 7:23 wherein Jesus warns about "iniquity," i.e., lawlessness.
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You do realize you're doing exactly what the Holocaust deniers do with revisionist history, don't you? The Nazis had an agreement with the Roman Catholic Church, but they never called themselves Christian.
Ask Goebbels (and Wikipedia, since I'm being lazy here)
Yep, Hitler himself said in the long run there could be no religion. That's super Christian.
Ask Goebbels (and Wikipedia, since I'm being lazy here)
Yep, Hitler himself said in the long run there could be no religion. That's super Christian.
Elin you have no idea how sad this makes me though i actually cry about it... sometimes because not only here but my close friends same thing with them, they keep rejecting the holy spirit constantly do you know how painful it's going to feel if they say " i was right all along.. " and the worst part is i know nothing we say will change it, it's like talking to a sinner in the world, that doesn't know jesus they laugh at you saying your speaking nonsense.. just because they don't understand and they refuse to understand, but this is even worst... it's unbelievers hiding behind religion which means it's going to be extra hard for the light of the word to shine upon them, i pray that God comes for us quickly but at the same time i don't... because it actually hurts me to see when people reject the holy thing that saves us from damnation but the hurt is so much that i wish God would come now so i don't have to see this
if it may help, if you have any bit of conviction left in your heart for what you are doing isn't right atleast take a look at this testimony to see how this sinner was born again i'll show you 2 testimony
[video=youtube;UbXeP4nlbGI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbXeP4nlbGI[/video]
that's all it is please would you listen for once and not use human understandings to understand the things of God, we are sinners UNDER THE LAW OF SIN( TRANSGRESS AGAINST THE LAW BY NATURE ) that's why we must get born again, the law shows us we are sinners and need a savior, when you receive Christ he does his work in you and gives you the fruits of his spirit, that nature that God has is the same nature you will have, atleast look at the testimonies to see the miraculous change in the people as they got born again
[video=youtube;UbXeP4nlbGI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbXeP4nlbGI[/video]
that's all it is please would you listen for once and not use human understandings to understand the things of God, we are sinners UNDER THE LAW OF SIN( TRANSGRESS AGAINST THE LAW BY NATURE ) that's why we must get born again, the law shows us we are sinners and need a savior, when you receive Christ he does his work in you and gives you the fruits of his spirit, that nature that God has is the same nature you will have, atleast look at the testimonies to see the miraculous change in the people as they got born again
Anyone who has believed Christ plus anything (including the works of the law) have believed into a gospel (of a different kind) which is not the (same kind) as found in your Galatians text, and were not saved to begin with, as a gospel of a different kind has no power to save and is double cursed by Paul in the text that this post started with.