Attack of the Judaizers

[Grandpa]

Elin, your applications of "law" do not state if you are referring to the Old Covenant ceremonial law, or the "Law of the Lord" (Psalm 1; 119, etc.). By lumping these together you create all manner of confusion and contradiction. Please read Psalm 1 and Psalm 119, both of which declare the perpetuity of the Law of the Lord. Then go to 1 John 3:4 and you will understand why "...whosoever sinneth transgresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law." John, writing well into the New Covenant was speaking of the moral law, "the Law of the Lord." See also Matt. 7:23 wherein Jesus warns about "iniquity," i.e., lawlessness.

Only Judaizers attempt to separate the Law into what they think has been abolished and what they think they can put people back under.

Galatians 3:10-11
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Why is that? Why can't we just separate the law into "ceremonial" and moral and do away with the ceremonial and keep the moral?

Because ALL of it is our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. Christ has fulfilled ALL of it, the ceremonial AND the moral. Christ is the end of Righteousness for those who believe in Him.

Galatians 3:18-26

[SUP]18 [/SUP]For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
[SUP]23[/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

 

[Grandpa]

In Nazi Germany they called fundamental christians of any denomination that kept the bible old and new JUDAIZERS and passed a law to kill all judaizers it was a religous war. Calling people Judaizers is NAzi talk. Judaizers is offensive word and should be removed from this website as well as niggers and other bigot terminology.

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1 Corinthians 1:23-24
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
[SUP]24 [/SUP]But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Trying to use the race card to stop the truth from being told = FAIL

Perhaps the real reason why you find the term Judaizer to be offensive is because you are one. Its ok. None of us are perfect. We have a solution. Its not just by deciding to stop being one. Its by praying to the Lord to give you wisdom and understanding and revelation of HIM.

 

[Elin]

Anyone who has believed Christ plus anything (including the works of the law) have believed into a gospel (of a different kind) which is not the (same kind) as found in your Galatians text, and
were not saved to begin with, as a gospel of a different kind has no power to save and is double cursed by Paul in the text that this post started with.

This is so clearly shown in the case of Abraham, the father of all who believe.

Judaizers and Messianics, let's take a look at the OT, where the meaning of
saving (true) faith and righteousness/justification are demonstrated by Abraham,
and referenced in the NT by Paul and James.

Let's begin with Ge 15:6.

"Abraham believed and it was credited to him as righteousness."
That is what Paul means by "justification."

Note that in Gen 15:6:
1) Abraham was not made holy (sanctified),
2) he had done no act of obedience, he had simply believed God's promise,
3) his faith alone justified, made guiltless, gave him right standing before God (righteousness).

Justification/guiltlessness/righteousness (right standing before God) of Abraham was by faith alone.

This is not complicated, nor difficult to understand.
It's simply a matter of belief of the word of God.

Now let's turn to Ge 22:

James gives the meaning of the saving (true) faith of Abraham.

". . .faith without deeds is dead. . .faith and actions work together. . .faith is made complete
by what he did (Jas 2:20, 22)."

True saving faith obeys. If it does not obey, it is counterfeit faith and does not give guiltless,
justified right standing before God (righteousness).

That is what James means by true "faith."

In Ge 15:6, God saw/knew Abraham's faith was true faith and, therefore,
credited it to him as righteousness (guiltless right standing before God).

In Ge 22, we see Abraham's obedience and therefore know
his faith of Ge 15:6 was true faith, which is why God credited it to him as righteousness.

But Abraham's true faith was credited to him as righteousness with no obedience
involved (Ge 15:6).

This likewise is not complicated, nor difficult to understand.
It's simply a matter of belief of the word of God.

"So if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that
you confess (your belief) and are saved." (Ro 10:9-10)

 

[Josh321]

1 Corinthians 1:23-24
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
[SUP]24 [/SUP]But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Trying to use the race card to stop the truth from being told = FAIL

Perhaps the real reason why you find the term Judaizer to be offensive is because you are one. Its ok. None of us are perfect. We have a solution. Its not just by deciding to stop being one. Its by praying to the Lord to give you wisdom and understanding and revelation of HIM.

This, you know what the problem is, they reading the bible with human understandings without the revelation of God, that's why what we are saying sounds like foolishness and it does if God didn't touch me i would say they same thing too, only one way to see and know the truth surrender completely to Jesus if you have your " but how can this be possible " your understandings don't be like the foolish virgins they thought they had it, they were sure they did, they realize they didn't when the time was at hand and they end up missing the mark don't let that be any of you, don't be stubborn

[h=3]1 Samuel 15:23[/h]King James Version (KJV)

23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

 

[danschance]

In Nazi Germany they called fundamental christians of any denomination that kept the bible old and new JUDAIZERS and passed a law to kill all judaizers it was a religous war. Calling people Judaizers is NAzi talk. Judaizers is offensive word and should be removed from this website as well as niggers and other bigot terminology.

I was not able to verify Nazis calling Christians Judaizers. The term judaize is a biblical term that Apostle Paul used. Greek Lexicon :: G2452 (KJV) Those who judaize are called judaizers. Claiming the word Judiazer is a bigot term is unfounded and inaccurate . If it offends you it is more than likely because you may be a judaizer.

 

[danschance]

1 Corinthians 1:23-24
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
[SUP]24 [/SUP]But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Trying to use the race card to stop the truth from being told = FAIL

Perhaps the real reason why you find the term Judaizer to be offensive is because you are one. Its ok. None of us are perfect. We have a solution. Its not just by deciding to stop being one. Its by praying to the Lord to give you wisdom and understanding and revelation of HIM.

Notice how is uses the word he claims is offensive.

 

[danschance]

If you think dead to the law means we do not have to keep the law then ye do greatly err

By all means enlighten us as to what you think "Dead to the law" means. Please use scripture to define your concept of what dead to the law means.

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

I was not able to verify Nazis calling Christians Judaizers. The term judaize is a biblical term that Apostle Paul used. Greek Lexicon :: G2452 (KJV) Those who judaize are called judaizers. Claiming the word Judiazer is a bigot term is unfounded and inaccurate . If it offends you it is more than likely because you may be a judaizer.

I didn't know people in here thought that the Apostle Paul was a Nazi~?
Please say it isn't sooooooooooo!
Who's been using the word trigger, anyway?

 

[danschance]

I didn't know people in here thought that the Apostle Paul was a Nazi~?
Please say it isn't sooooooooooo!
Who's been using the word trigger, anyway?

Jews tend to call things "Nazis" that they wish to insult. A friend of mine was once called a Nazi because a Jewish lady did not like the way he parked and I am not kidding. They toss out the "N" word (Nazi) all the time as it is the worst word they can think of and they use it liberally. Take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Elin]

Jews tend to call things "Nazis" that they wish to insult. A friend of mine was once called a Nazi because a Jewish lady did not like the way he parked and I am not kidding. They toss out the "N" word (Nazi) all the time as it is the worst word they can think of and they use it liberally. Take it with a grain of salt.

How retrogressive.

 

[danschance]

How retrogressive.

They just need Jesus but many Jews flat out hate Jesus. Very sad, but many are called and few are chosen.

 

[Judge48]

Just a comment from an Aussie on this. The Law was given to Israelites and them only (blood of sprinkling on the book and the people) Not Egyptians (God could not bury them in the Red Sea contravening His own Law) Nor Caananites or any other group so when the Holy Spirit was given to Jews (Acts 2) that was acceptable to Jews but God threw a spanner in the works by filling Italians with the Holy Spirit in Acts 10 which gave birth to the Gentile church (The pearl of great price) so now comes the preacher to the Gentiles, Paul the Apostle. So in the book of Acts the question arose of circumcision and the answer given was that no burden other than these be put on the Gentiles "No Idolatry, no fornication, do not drink blood and do not eat strangled meat" then it says not to put a burden on the Gentile people that neither the Jews or any of the forefathers were able to keep. seems to me that people ought to read there Bible

 

[danschance]

Just a comment from an Aussie on this. The Law was given to Israelites and them only (blood of sprinkling on the book and the people) Not Egyptians (God could not bury them in the Red Sea contravening His own Law) Nor Caananites or any other group so when the Holy Spirit was given to Jews (Acts 2) that was acceptable to Jews but God threw a spanner in the works by filling Italians with the Holy Spirit in Acts 10 which gave birth to the Gentile church (The pearl of great price) so now comes the preacher to the Gentiles, Paul the Apostle. So in the book of Acts the question arose of circumcision and the answer given was that no burden other than these be put on the Gentiles "No Idolatry, no fornication, do not drink blood and do not eat strangled meat" then it says not to put a burden on the Gentile people that neither the Jews or any of the forefathers were able to keep. seems to me that people ought to read there Bible

That is my take as well and it seems very obvious to me.

 

[Josh321]

They just need Jesus but many Jews flat out hate Jesus. Very sad, but many are called and few are chosen.

it's ok brother dan, they veil shall be taken off of their eyes when God is finish dealing with the gentiles

[h=3]Romans 11:25[/h]King James Version (KJV)

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.



this is why they cannot recognise who Jesus is, the true Jews who were blinded, but that veil will be taken off of their eyes, this is why they are still under the old covenant

 

[Hizikyah]

it's ok brother dan, they veil shall be taken off of their eyes when God is finish dealing with the gentiles

Romans 11:25

King James Version (KJV)

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.



this is why they cannot recognise who Jesus is, the true Jews who were blinded, but that veil will be taken off of their eyes, this is why they are still under the old covenant

No, that verse is talking about those who dont accept Messiah, not those who accept Him and actually do what He says:

Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

 

[phil112]

...........Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Not only did you spell the word Matthew wrong, you had to lie about what it says. Commandments is not the same word as law.

How does it make you folks feel when you have to twist scripture to get out of it what you want? Does it make you feel like a policeman does when he wears a gun? Does it make you a big fish in a little pond?

 

[Hizikyah]

Not only did you spell the word Matthew wrong, you had to lie about what it says. Commandments is not the same word as law.

How does it make you folks feel when you have to twist scripture to get out of it what you want? Does it make you feel like a policeman does when he wears a gun? Does it make you a big fish in a little pond?

You keep attacking me over and over because I choose to use Mattithyah's real name. He was a Hebrew man with a Hebrew Name.

Mattithyah means "gift of Yahweh"

Hebrew names have meanings, I believe words can be translated but name are name and should be used, not changed because of tradition.

Fact is you attack me because I use his REAL name, yet if I use a new made up name all is well.

Have I ever said I was better than anyone because I use the real names? I sense you having a feeling of bile creeping in and thus attack me.

Also the word "Command, Commandments, Law, Laws, etc"

Messiah called the Laws that were not of the "10 Commandments" (10 Commandments being a term you will never find in Scripture but a traditional term) and Yahshua called the entole. Maybe you need to debate Him? Entole is the same word used in Mattithyah 5:19, and the word is properly translated as:

entolé
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Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

 

[Hizikyah]

So is a "judaizer" one who uses the Father, the Messiah, and the physical writers of Scripture real names?

Is there that much hate for all things Hebrew? Seems we have a lot of Constantines....

Why is truth not more important than tradition?

 

[WomanLovesTX]

No, that verse is talking about those who dont accept Messiah, not those who accept Him and actually do what He says:

Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Before others get mad at you for quoting the scriptures and accusing you of twisting the word, let us remember...

Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

 

[john832]

Before others get mad at you for quoting the scriptures and accusing you of twisting the word, let us remember...

Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.