The Truth About The Sabbath
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First day of the week in Acts 20:7 should read one of the sabbaths see this post http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/81435-truth-about-sabbath-15.html#post1378526
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Sabbaton can mean sabbath or week. Besides that I am not a Greek scholar but it would apear you are the only one claiming this as the below translations clearly state week.
So I think it is safe to assume you are wrong unless you can quote a legitimate Greek scholar claiming all those other translations are wrong and he/she is not a cult member.
So I think it is safe to assume you are wrong unless you can quote a legitimate Greek scholar claiming all those other translations are wrong and he/she is not a cult member.
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Really ? Please show me proof to back that up, and not fleshly reasonment. The circumcision was never abolished : " Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. " Matthew 5:17
It's written : " And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
23 (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord )"
Luke 2:21-23
So the Holy Spirit would have inspired Christians " to not bother getting circumcised " ?
Is this a holy word coming from above, or a profane one coming from the spirit of the world ?
And to who profit the crime ?
After all, the ancient serpent was the first one telling Adam and Eve " don't bother obeying God's Word, you won't die " !
If Jesus came to destroy the law, why was He circumcised then ?
And if you think Paul was against circumcision, think again !
It's written :
" For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. "
Romans 2 : 26-29
The Word is clear, Paul is not against circumcision, but he is against idolatry of circumcision preached by false Jews, he is against useless circumcision.
Paul himself and all the 11 other apostles were circumcised, just like their Master Jesus !
Now the Lord exceptionally told gentiles they don't need to be circumcised, because the Lord decided circumcision of heart was enough for them to fulfill the circumcision commandment !
So understand that circumcision was never abolished, but in converted gentiles,
it is fulfilled through circumcision of heart !
Also understand that the Lord's Scriptures never contradict themselves,
but always complete themselves with each other !
If you think the " condemnation of the disobedient is no longer functioning for a Christian "
you are just deceiving yourself, and you are in great spiritual danger, brother.
It's written : " The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said."
Matthew 26: 24-25
It's written : " But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things. "
Acts 5: 1-11
It's written : " But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds
9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. "
2 Peter 2:1-22
It's written : " When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. "
Matthew 25 : 31-46
It's written : " 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "
Matthew 7:21-23
It's written : " For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. "
Revelation 22: 18-19
Jesus and His Word is the same today, yesterday, and forever !
Blessed be Jesus AND His Whole Word ! Forever !
Maranatha !
It's written : " And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
23 (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord )"
Luke 2:21-23
So the Holy Spirit would have inspired Christians " to not bother getting circumcised " ?
Is this a holy word coming from above, or a profane one coming from the spirit of the world ?
And to who profit the crime ?
After all, the ancient serpent was the first one telling Adam and Eve " don't bother obeying God's Word, you won't die " !
If Jesus came to destroy the law, why was He circumcised then ?
And if you think Paul was against circumcision, think again !
It's written :
" For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. "
Romans 2 : 26-29
The Word is clear, Paul is not against circumcision, but he is against idolatry of circumcision preached by false Jews, he is against useless circumcision.
Paul himself and all the 11 other apostles were circumcised, just like their Master Jesus !
Now the Lord exceptionally told gentiles they don't need to be circumcised, because the Lord decided circumcision of heart was enough for them to fulfill the circumcision commandment !
So understand that circumcision was never abolished, but in converted gentiles,
it is fulfilled through circumcision of heart !
Also understand that the Lord's Scriptures never contradict themselves,
but always complete themselves with each other !
If you think the " condemnation of the disobedient is no longer functioning for a Christian "
you are just deceiving yourself, and you are in great spiritual danger, brother.
It's written : " The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said."
Matthew 26: 24-25
It's written : " But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things. "
Acts 5: 1-11
It's written : " But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds
9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. "
2 Peter 2:1-22
It's written : " When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. "
Matthew 25 : 31-46
It's written : " 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "
Matthew 7:21-23
It's written : " For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. "
Revelation 22: 18-19
Jesus and His Word is the same today, yesterday, and forever !
Blessed be Jesus AND His Whole Word ! Forever !
Maranatha !
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Acts 20:7 LITV
(7) And on the first of the sabbaths, the disciples having been assembled to break bread, being about to depart on the morrow, Paul reasoned to them. And he continued his speech until midnight.
Acts 20:7 MKJV
(7) And on the first of the sabbaths, the disciples having been assembled to break bread, being about to depart on the morrow, Paul reasoned to them. And he continued his speech until midnight.
As you said you are no Greek scholar. According to the concordance not my interpretation it is sabbath. First in Acts 20:7 should be one. Why don't you do some research rather than base it on what you have been taught.
(7) And on the first of the sabbaths, the disciples having been assembled to break bread, being about to depart on the morrow, Paul reasoned to them. And he continued his speech until midnight.
Acts 20:7 MKJV
(7) And on the first of the sabbaths, the disciples having been assembled to break bread, being about to depart on the morrow, Paul reasoned to them. And he continued his speech until midnight.
As you said you are no Greek scholar. According to the concordance not my interpretation it is sabbath. First in Acts 20:7 should be one. Why don't you do some research rather than base it on what you have been taught.
B
Hmmm well looking above Danschance actually gave what the numerous Bible Translations said. Now basing it on your logic you are saying that all of those translations are incorrect. Wow that would mean all those Bible scholars at different periods of centuries all getting it wrong. What else would they get wrong Laodicea. Or is it that they might all be Right and your flimsy evidence is actually wrong? I personally will stick with what the Bible says.
L
Why don't you people read and study the word for yourself, do some research
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σάββατον
sabbaton
Thayer Definition:
1) the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work
1a) the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week
1b) a single sabbath, sabbath day
2) seven days, a week
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of Hebrew origin H7676
Citing in TDNT: 7:1, 989
This is the word do some research
4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
Thayer Definition:
1) the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work
1a) the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week
1b) a single sabbath, sabbath day
2) seven days, a week
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of Hebrew origin H7676
Citing in TDNT: 7:1, 989
This is the word do some research
LOL...Wasn't hard to find at all. It was the first one on my e-sword. Do you have e-sword? The Strong's is super easy to search. I have gained much insight using Strong's.
Here is an example of something most of us don't consider.
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow[SUP]G2346[/SUP] is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
G2346
θλίβω
thlibō
thlee'-bo
Akin to the base of G5147; to crowd (literally or figuratively): - afflict, narrow, throng, suffer tribulation, trouble.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait[SUP]G4728[/SUP] gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
G4728
στενός
stenos
sten-os'
Probably from the base of G2476; narrow (from obstacles standing close about): - strait.
Shalom.
Here is an example of something most of us don't consider.
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow[SUP]G2346[/SUP] is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
G2346
θλίβω
thlibō
thlee'-bo
Akin to the base of G5147; to crowd (literally or figuratively): - afflict, narrow, throng, suffer tribulation, trouble.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait[SUP]G4728[/SUP] gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
G4728
στενός
stenos
sten-os'
Probably from the base of G2476; narrow (from obstacles standing close about): - strait.
Shalom.
D
Well, let's suppose for a moment what you say is true; that would make Jesus a liar, that would make Jesus telling He would have come to destroy the law. The Greek thing doesn't make sense if it leads to opposition to any Scripture, plain and simple !
After all, the Vatican also uses the Greek thing to tell brothers and sisters of Jesus mentioned in the Scriptures doesn't mean brothers and sisters but that would mean some " cousins " of Jesus.
Don't you understand that Christ IS the Law ? And He cannot deny Himself ?
It's not " Mosaic laws ", for it didn't come from Moses, but the Lord told Himself the Eternal Law to Moses !
The Eternal Law represents the True Nature of Jesus ! How could Jesus deny Himself ?
The Lord's Law is Eternal ! And so is the Sabbath in the New Jerusalem and on the New Earth !
After all, the Vatican also uses the Greek thing to tell brothers and sisters of Jesus mentioned in the Scriptures doesn't mean brothers and sisters but that would mean some " cousins " of Jesus.
Don't you understand that Christ IS the Law ? And He cannot deny Himself ?
It's not " Mosaic laws ", for it didn't come from Moses, but the Lord told Himself the Eternal Law to Moses !
The Eternal Law represents the True Nature of Jesus ! How could Jesus deny Himself ?
The Lord's Law is Eternal ! And so is the Sabbath in the New Jerusalem and on the New Earth !
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1Sa 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
According to the LORD, we don't need sacrifice if we just OBEY.
And if we desire to sacrifice lambs and such, as you insinuate, have you noticed there is no Temple, no Levitical priests, no Sanhedrin, etc. etc. ?
With the destruction of the Temple 40 years after the giving of the Holy Spirit, God had a reason to keeping it that long instead of destroying the Temple on the day Jesus died. You may not be able to find the answer in the scriptures, but history recorded that during those 40 years, a shut door would be found open every morning, a crimson thread hung on the door knob never again turned white, the lot of the black and white stone for 40 years always came out the one and not the other. What are the odds of that happening?
I really do hate that accusation "OK as such are you sacrificing lambs still?"
Anyone else here see the foolishness of that question?
According to the LORD, we don't need sacrifice if we just OBEY.
And if we desire to sacrifice lambs and such, as you insinuate, have you noticed there is no Temple, no Levitical priests, no Sanhedrin, etc. etc. ?
With the destruction of the Temple 40 years after the giving of the Holy Spirit, God had a reason to keeping it that long instead of destroying the Temple on the day Jesus died. You may not be able to find the answer in the scriptures, but history recorded that during those 40 years, a shut door would be found open every morning, a crimson thread hung on the door knob never again turned white, the lot of the black and white stone for 40 years always came out the one and not the other. What are the odds of that happening?
I really do hate that accusation "OK as such are you sacrificing lambs still?"
Anyone else here see the foolishness of that question?
B
Thanks for that constructive response. It was just a question. The point is the temple as you say has been destroyed. The sacrifices can't be fulfilled anymore so how much more of the Mosaic Covenant needs to continue surely you realised why I asked the question.
Anyway, I apologise if it was offensive I also forgive you for your rather agressive response back. Let us just agree to disagree. Instead of getting abusive.
D
Laodicea,
Both MKJV and the LITV are both from a single man, named Jay P. Green. Isn't that interesting. The man who translated the bible in his garage... The LITV is currently out of print. Do you really expect me to take those translations seriously?
The man has also declared all his "translations" to be 100% error free and accurate. I can't find a review of this mans bibles from other scholars. Yet no one is taking any of Jay Green's works seriously. As best as I can determine he translates from the byzantine family of manuscripts only.
Is there no bottom to how low you will sink to prove a point?
Both MKJV and the LITV are both from a single man, named Jay P. Green. Isn't that interesting. The man who translated the bible in his garage... The LITV is currently out of print. Do you really expect me to take those translations seriously?
The man has also declared all his "translations" to be 100% error free and accurate. I can't find a review of this mans bibles from other scholars. Yet no one is taking any of Jay Green's works seriously. As best as I can determine he translates from the byzantine family of manuscripts only.
Is there no bottom to how low you will sink to prove a point?
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If I was living at a time where Jesus wouldn't have come yet,
yes, I would have done so because it's the Lord's Will !
But Jesus ultimately fulfilled the sacrifice commandment at the cross, so now the sacrifice laws are fulfilled forever !
If you're trying to find a loophole for " legitimate " disobedience to the Lord and for denial of your true divine nature,
then I feel very sorry for you, brother.
yes, I would have done so because it's the Lord's Will !
But Jesus ultimately fulfilled the sacrifice commandment at the cross, so now the sacrifice laws are fulfilled forever !
If you're trying to find a loophole for " legitimate " disobedience to the Lord and for denial of your true divine nature,
then I feel very sorry for you, brother.
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Another vacuous and vapid response...
Claim #1 "The Greek thing doesn't make sense if it leads to opposition to any Scripture, plain and simple !"
No, you are simply twisting what I am saying into something I never said or implied.
Claim #2 "After all, the Vatican also uses the Greek thing to tell brothers and sisters of Jesus mentioned in the Scriptures doesn't mean brothers and sisters but that would mean some " cousins " of Jesus."
No response from me...
Claim #3 "Don't you understand that Christ IS the Law ? And He cannot deny Himself ?"
Please show me the scripture that states Christ is the law.
Claim #4 "It's not " Mosaic laws ", for it didn't come from Moses, but the Lord told Himself the Eternal Law to Moses !"
Mosaic laws is the name given to the laws Moses handed to Israel. I have never stated or implied Moses was the author to the Mosaic laws.
Claim #5 "The Eternal Law represents the True Nature of Jesus ! How could Jesus deny Himself ?"
Please show me a scripture that states that.
Claim #6 "And so is the Sabbath in the New Jerusalem and on the New Earth !"
Jesus is our sabbath rest.
Claim #1 "The Greek thing doesn't make sense if it leads to opposition to any Scripture, plain and simple !"
No, you are simply twisting what I am saying into something I never said or implied.
Claim #2 "After all, the Vatican also uses the Greek thing to tell brothers and sisters of Jesus mentioned in the Scriptures doesn't mean brothers and sisters but that would mean some " cousins " of Jesus."
No response from me...
Claim #3 "Don't you understand that Christ IS the Law ? And He cannot deny Himself ?"
Please show me the scripture that states Christ is the law.
Claim #4 "It's not " Mosaic laws ", for it didn't come from Moses, but the Lord told Himself the Eternal Law to Moses !"
Mosaic laws is the name given to the laws Moses handed to Israel. I have never stated or implied Moses was the author to the Mosaic laws.
Claim #5 "The Eternal Law represents the True Nature of Jesus ! How could Jesus deny Himself ?"
Please show me a scripture that states that.
Claim #6 "And so is the Sabbath in the New Jerusalem and on the New Earth !"
Jesus is our sabbath rest.
I think this is the reason you are so terribly mixed up that you teach to disregard what scripture says. If this was so, then Moses would not be of God. Or God's words would be of no use to us. It would mean that we must not listen to Christ, for Christ said differently. Wouldn't you think that this would clue you in to that your interpretation of what Paul meant by the law of Moses could be something different from what Danschance said it is, and we should listen to God, not you?