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Yes, I sold all my guns long ago, maybe they'll end up buying one my used Glocks...
It's unfortunate that here in California it's difficult for average citizens for get a CCW permit unless they have some connection the the sheriff or chief of police (nepotism) but our state constitution doesn't guarantee the right to bear arms like many other states.
I haven't been to India since 2006, years before I was born again and before the concept of "gang rape culture" was commonplace in the Indian media. It's certainly not new there, Phoolan Devi was gang raped and she became very violent and revenge oriented as a result. There's so many shades of grey over there that I will never understand so I defer to the Indian people on this thread.
It's unfortunate that here in California it's difficult for average citizens for get a CCW permit unless they have some connection the the sheriff or chief of police (nepotism) but our state constitution doesn't guarantee the right to bear arms like many other states.
I haven't been to India since 2006, years before I was born again and before the concept of "gang rape culture" was commonplace in the Indian media. It's certainly not new there, Phoolan Devi was gang raped and she became very violent and revenge oriented as a result. There's so many shades of grey over there that I will never understand so I defer to the Indian people on this thread.
Are we Christians living under the law of this world or do we live by the Spirit?
We only claim to follow Jesus.
Mr. 1still_waters sir, please don't be selective in the consideration of what else Jesus has said.
Mark 12:17
Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at him
Paying taxes to your government has nothing to do with carrying a weapon. Yes we are expected to defend the helpless. Why does only a gun seem to be a viable option to you? Aren't there other means of protection that doesn't involve loss of life?
I am against guns. I refuse to have even the possibility of taking another's life. Because I honour the fact that God made man in his own image. Because I believe that Jesus' death is enough.
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Does living under the spirit, and not the laws of this world imply that Christians can't own guns for self defense?
If it does indeed imply Christians can't use guns for self defense, then it also implies Christians can't give consent to the government using guns to protect your life or any innocent life.
In fact we should be against it, seeing as that's how "the world" operates, and that is apparently different than how life in the Spirit is.
I think you're missing a distinction or two or three...
Yes, Christians are to pay taxes to the government.
What I'm talking about is what happens within the heart of the Christian beyond that point.
Many Christians will consent/approve/support the government/police/military/etc pulling the trigger to end the life of someone/people who are victimizing the innocent/afflicted.
Now in that scenario, the only difference in who is pulling the trigger.
The Christian is still giving their approval/consent/support.
If living in the Spirit, and if not following the ways of this world implies not taking the life of someone who is afflicting, oppressing the innocent, then it follows that a Christian shouldn't support/approve of/condone a policeman shooting a rapist in order to stop him from attacking a woman.
If it does indeed imply Christians can't use guns for self defense, then it also implies Christians can't give consent to the government using guns to protect your life or any innocent life.
In fact we should be against it, seeing as that's how "the world" operates, and that is apparently different than how life in the Spirit is.
I think you're missing a distinction or two or three...
Yes, Christians are to pay taxes to the government.
What I'm talking about is what happens within the heart of the Christian beyond that point.
Many Christians will consent/approve/support the government/police/military/etc pulling the trigger to end the life of someone/people who are victimizing the innocent/afflicted.
Now in that scenario, the only difference in who is pulling the trigger.
The Christian is still giving their approval/consent/support.
If living in the Spirit, and if not following the ways of this world implies not taking the life of someone who is afflicting, oppressing the innocent, then it follows that a Christian shouldn't support/approve of/condone a policeman shooting a rapist in order to stop him from attacking a woman.
Ideally...both.
1 Peter 2:13-15 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
1 Peter 2:13-15 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
Your train of logic is very much beyond me Sir.
This implies this, that implies that. We should be this and not that. I am kind of a simple person.
This is what Jesus said
Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
The yoke of carrying a gun is too much for me.
Well I don't claim to know the heart of every person. That's why I ask questions about people, curious about their integrity etc. It's usually highly offensive.
Again your train of thought is far advanced.
Should Christians support justice? Yes. Are they supposed to submit to the authorities? Yes. Then a Christian who doesn't stop a woman from being attacked by a rapist is not following the Word of God.
Is it impossible to do that, without using a gun to kill someone?
That is my question to you.
This implies this, that implies that. We should be this and not that. I am kind of a simple person.
This is what Jesus said
Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
The yoke of carrying a gun is too much for me.
Well I don't claim to know the heart of every person. That's why I ask questions about people, curious about their integrity etc. It's usually highly offensive.
Again your train of thought is far advanced.
Should Christians support justice? Yes. Are they supposed to submit to the authorities? Yes. Then a Christian who doesn't stop a woman from being attacked by a rapist is not following the Word of God.
Is it impossible to do that, without using a gun to kill someone?
That is my question to you.
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This saddens me more than I'd care to admit... knowing such things happen in India. I am not going to pretend it's one of the key factors as to why me... being Indian never visits India. I would like to but I just don't feel safe about it and my heart goes out to the women who constantly have to experience this feeling because they live there.
Not just men raping women, but why would ANYONE rape another person?! I think that's one of the lowest acts that can be committed by a human. I hate the thought that someone has to walk around... armed because there is a possibility of them being raped. It should not be this way.
Not just men raping women, but why would ANYONE rape another person?! I think that's one of the lowest acts that can be committed by a human. I hate the thought that someone has to walk around... armed because there is a possibility of them being raped. It should not be this way.
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Precisely, just hire someone else to do the dirty work for ya and let them get judged for it by God so your hands are clean right? Well said Stilly.
Praus, State Constitution cannot over ride Federal Constitution otherwise it is in conflict. Just FYI
As with biblical knowledge, knowledge of the laws of the land is very beneficial and edifying.
As for India, I believe something that some of us are trying to point out is, we're not trying to Americanize other people.
But help them to fight for their own God given right to defend themselves and their own loved ones.
Its not an american thing, it being born thing.
Since God brought you into this world by knitting you himself in your mothers womb, does it not stand to reason to defend yourself against someone who unjustly would try to deprive you of why God brought you into this world.
Because...a little tip, once you're gone...yes you may be in Heaven but...game over...a dead person cant be used for God here anymore.
Cant be used to witness, to lead, to sharpen another brother or sister, to pray for them in their presence, or just spend company with them and help bring each other to the unity in the Father he wishes us all to be in.
If that could be possible.......but is that possible in light of the fact that some of Gods prophecies still need to be fulfilled.
And if some of them need to still be fulfilled then obviously it is not always possible to live at peace with someone like an attacker.
"live at peace IF THAT BE POSSIBLE"
how many Chrisitians spreading Gods word does anyone believe that the enemy wants eradicated from earth.
Turn the cheek if you deserve it, if its not worth maiming another over yes.
Otherwise, why expect someone else to take the judgment fall for doing what you yourself are capable of.
And if Cops aren't allowed to also be Christians then aren't they basically hired thugs.
FYI they are public servants here to defend the rights of the citizens and are also subordinate to law abiding citizens.
Praus, State Constitution cannot over ride Federal Constitution otherwise it is in conflict. Just FYI
As with biblical knowledge, knowledge of the laws of the land is very beneficial and edifying.
As for India, I believe something that some of us are trying to point out is, we're not trying to Americanize other people.
But help them to fight for their own God given right to defend themselves and their own loved ones.
Its not an american thing, it being born thing.
Since God brought you into this world by knitting you himself in your mothers womb, does it not stand to reason to defend yourself against someone who unjustly would try to deprive you of why God brought you into this world.
Because...a little tip, once you're gone...yes you may be in Heaven but...game over...a dead person cant be used for God here anymore.
Cant be used to witness, to lead, to sharpen another brother or sister, to pray for them in their presence, or just spend company with them and help bring each other to the unity in the Father he wishes us all to be in.
If that could be possible.......but is that possible in light of the fact that some of Gods prophecies still need to be fulfilled.
And if some of them need to still be fulfilled then obviously it is not always possible to live at peace with someone like an attacker.
"live at peace IF THAT BE POSSIBLE"
how many Chrisitians spreading Gods word does anyone believe that the enemy wants eradicated from earth.
Turn the cheek if you deserve it, if its not worth maiming another over yes.
Otherwise, why expect someone else to take the judgment fall for doing what you yourself are capable of.
And if Cops aren't allowed to also be Christians then aren't they basically hired thugs.
FYI they are public servants here to defend the rights of the citizens and are also subordinate to law abiding citizens.
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If that's how we Christians are expected to operate is to hire non- Christians to protect us, then that is cowardly.
Because it sounds like some people are assuming that the ones operating in a capacity to use a firearm aren't Christians. Does everybody understand Cops don't go looking to use their gun neither. They don't put it on everyday hoping to use it.
There is a bad apple in every bunch yes just as with citizens, we could pull stats on officers and military too. But thats not the point here.
The large majority of anybody legally possessing a firearm never use one to commit a crime.
Officers use a firearm to protect themselves so they may go back to work again the next day and risk their life...why?
to protect you.
You actually place their life in further danger by asking them to do the work you refuse to do.
No, that's wrong...any person who has to put on a gun and risk their life to go to work does not get paid enough for their job.
And what potential is further wrong is if absolute power corrupts absolutely...the potential corruption for only Govt to have guns is astronomical.
Dont rely on others to do the protecting for you, because others can make mistakes. Take the fall yourself if you like the idea of protection against deadly bodily harm.
Take some minimal training at least, and further it as much as possible and help alleviate the risk of the ones who are hired at a pay that is not worth human life to go out to protect you, strapping on a firearm hoping it doesnt malfunction if the moment ever arises they need to use it.
FYI police are "public servants" here to defend the rights of the citizens.
Being proactive and Educating yourself to be an abled body if you like protection can help alleviate the stresses of their own job. Protect yourself so others dont have to risk their life for you.
Its your own right simply for being born.
Because it sounds like some people are assuming that the ones operating in a capacity to use a firearm aren't Christians. Does everybody understand Cops don't go looking to use their gun neither. They don't put it on everyday hoping to use it.
There is a bad apple in every bunch yes just as with citizens, we could pull stats on officers and military too. But thats not the point here.
The large majority of anybody legally possessing a firearm never use one to commit a crime.
Officers use a firearm to protect themselves so they may go back to work again the next day and risk their life...why?
to protect you.
You actually place their life in further danger by asking them to do the work you refuse to do.
No, that's wrong...any person who has to put on a gun and risk their life to go to work does not get paid enough for their job.
And what potential is further wrong is if absolute power corrupts absolutely...the potential corruption for only Govt to have guns is astronomical.
Dont rely on others to do the protecting for you, because others can make mistakes. Take the fall yourself if you like the idea of protection against deadly bodily harm.
Take some minimal training at least, and further it as much as possible and help alleviate the risk of the ones who are hired at a pay that is not worth human life to go out to protect you, strapping on a firearm hoping it doesnt malfunction if the moment ever arises they need to use it.
FYI police are "public servants" here to defend the rights of the citizens.
Being proactive and Educating yourself to be an abled body if you like protection can help alleviate the stresses of their own job. Protect yourself so others dont have to risk their life for you.
Its your own right simply for being born.
Firstly you assume too much about God given rights. It really began with the 1789 Declaration of Rights of Man and Citizen, during the French Revolution and before that, the Magna Carta.
Yes Man was made in the image of God.
However who are you to give us tips on how God can use people and if someone dies because they didn't defend themselves, it was a waste/game over etc ?Do you know the mind of God?
Have you not read about the stoning of Stephen? Was his death futile?
Do you limit God by his knowledge on how long we live? Don't you think he knows what's happening to each and everyone of us? In fact do you think your life is your own?
Can you turn your own hair white ?
James 4:14
Yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes.
Note- Please don't add to Scripture. Jesus said turn the other cheek, in response to the evil that people do to you. I don't think it's whether it is deserving or undeserving.
You're making this thread about cops and people in military when clearly this thread talks about rape and women in India, and whether guns must be handed over to all.
No one has said people in law enforcement cannot be Christians just because they handle a gun. As in the previous case of rights, you assume too much.
Yes, it is their calling and their conscience with God when people in the armed forces handle a gun. However in the case of INDIA, and in general, handing over guns to everybody to solve crime is stupid.
There are other means of protection. A policeman's job is to defend other people. The question of whose hands get dirty and who escapes judgement is baffling to me.
I said we follow Jesus. Jesus also said this, Judge not that you be not judged. (Matthew 7:1)
Yes Man was made in the image of God.
However who are you to give us tips on how God can use people and if someone dies because they didn't defend themselves, it was a waste/game over etc ?Do you know the mind of God?
Have you not read about the stoning of Stephen? Was his death futile?
Do you limit God by his knowledge on how long we live? Don't you think he knows what's happening to each and everyone of us? In fact do you think your life is your own?
Can you turn your own hair white ?
James 4:14
Yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes.
Note- Please don't add to Scripture. Jesus said turn the other cheek, in response to the evil that people do to you. I don't think it's whether it is deserving or undeserving.
You're making this thread about cops and people in military when clearly this thread talks about rape and women in India, and whether guns must be handed over to all.
No one has said people in law enforcement cannot be Christians just because they handle a gun. As in the previous case of rights, you assume too much.
Yes, it is their calling and their conscience with God when people in the armed forces handle a gun. However in the case of INDIA, and in general, handing over guns to everybody to solve crime is stupid.
There are other means of protection. A policeman's job is to defend other people. The question of whose hands get dirty and who escapes judgement is baffling to me.
I said we follow Jesus. Jesus also said this, Judge not that you be not judged. (Matthew 7:1)
I'm in agreement with and would like to share this bit of knowledge:
Did Jesus advocate the use of a sword for self-defense purposes (Luke 22:36-38)?
Jesus is well known for His continued emphasis on love, forgiveness, and "turning the other cheek." It is therefore surprising to find Jesus advising the disciples to buy a sword in Luke 22:36: "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Did Jesus in this verse advocate the use of a sword for self-defense purposes?
This is an issue over which Christians have vehemently disagreed for many centuries. Following is a summary of the two basic views of how Christians have interpreted Jesus on this issue.
THE PATH OF NONRESISTANCE. Christian pacifists believe it is always wrong to injure other humans, no matter what the circumstances. And the same principles supporting pacifism carry over to nonresistance--the belief that any form of self-defense is wrong. This view is usually based on the exemplary life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
According to Christian pacifist John Yoder, Jesus rejected the existing political state of affairs and taught a form of radical nonviolence. Central to Christ's teaching, Yoder says, is His biblical mandate to "turn the other cheek" when encountering violence (Matthew 5:38-48).
In Yoder's view, the way to victorious living is to refrain from the game of sociopolitical control. Jesus exposed the futility of the violence engrafted in the present world system by resisting its inclinations even to the point of death. Hence, Christians are to refuse the world's violent methods and follow their Savior to the cross (Matthew 26:47-52). When Jesus told the disciples to buy a sword (Luke 22:36), pacifists suggest He was only speaking figuratively.
"TURN THE OTHER CHEEK" ALWAYS? It is true that Jesus said to turn the other cheek in Matthew 5:38-42. However, many scholars do not believe pacifism (or nonresistance) is the essential point of His teaching in this passage. These scholars do not believe Jesus was teaching to "turn the other cheek" in virtually all circumstances. Even Christ did not literally turn the other cheek when smitten by a member of the Sanhedrin (see John 18:22-23).
The backdrop to this teaching is that the Jews considered it an insult to be hit in the face, much in the same way that we would interpret someone spitting in our face. Bible scholar R. C. Sproul comments: "What's interesting in the expression is that Jesus specifically mentions the right side of the face [Matthew 5:39]....If I hit you on your right cheek, the most normal way would be if I did it with the back of my right hand....To the best of our knowledge of the Hebrew language, that expression is a Jewish idiom that describes an insult, similar to the way challenges to duels in the days of King Arthur were made by a backhand slap to the right cheek of your opponent."
The principle taught in the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5:38-42 would thus seem to be that Christians should not retaliate when insulted or slandered (see also Romans 12:17-21). Such insults do not threaten a Christian's personal safety. The question of rendering insult for insult, however, is a far cry from defending oneself against a mugger or a rapist.
In terms of following Christ's example, one must remember that His personal nonresistance at the cross was intertwined with His unique calling. He did not evade His arrest because it was God's will for Him to fulfill His prophetic role as the redemptive Lamb of God (Matthew 26:52-56). During His ministry, however, He refused to be arrested because God's timing for His death had not yet come (John 8:59). Thus, Christ's unique nonresistance during the Passion does not mandate against self-protection.
THE BIBLICAL CASE FOR SELF-DEFENSE. It is noteworthy that the Bible records many accounts of fighting and warfare. The providence of God in war is exemplified by His name YHWH Sabaoth ("The LORD of hosts"--Exodus 12:41). God is portrayed as the omnipotent Warrior-Leader of the Israelites. God, the LORD of hosts, raised up warriors among the Israelites called the shophetim (savior-deliverers). Samson, Deborah, Gideon, and others were anointed by the Spirit of God to conduct war. The New Testament commends Old Testament warriors for their military acts of faith (Hebrews 11:30-40). Moreover, it is significant that although given the opportunity to do so, none of the New Testament saints--nor even Jesus--are ever seen informing a military convert that he needed to resign from his line of work (Matthew 8:5-13; Luke 3:14).
Prior to His crucifixion, Jesus revealed to His disciples the future hostility they would face and encouraged them to sell their outer garments in order to buy a sword (Luke 22:36-38; cf. 2 Corinthians 11:26-27). Here the "sword" (Greek: maxairan) is a dagger or short sword that belonged to the Jewish traveler's equipment as protection against robbers and wild animals. A plain reading of the passage indicates that Jesus approved of self-defense.
Self-defense may actually result in one of the greatest examples of human love. Christ Himself said, "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends" (John 15:14). When protecting one's family or neighbor, a Christian is unselfishly risking his or her life for the sake of others.
Theologians J. P. Moreland and Norman Geisler say that "to permit murder when one could have prevented it is morally wrong. To allow a rape when one could have hindered it is an evil. To watch an act of cruelty to children without trying to intervene is morally inexcusable. In brief, not resisting evil is an evil of omission, and an evil of omission can be just as evil as an evil of commission. Any man who refuses to protect his wife and children against a violent intruder fails them morally."
Did Jesus advocate the use of a sword for self-defense purposes (Luke 22:36-38)?
Jesus is well known for His continued emphasis on love, forgiveness, and "turning the other cheek." It is therefore surprising to find Jesus advising the disciples to buy a sword in Luke 22:36: "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Did Jesus in this verse advocate the use of a sword for self-defense purposes?
This is an issue over which Christians have vehemently disagreed for many centuries. Following is a summary of the two basic views of how Christians have interpreted Jesus on this issue.
THE PATH OF NONRESISTANCE. Christian pacifists believe it is always wrong to injure other humans, no matter what the circumstances. And the same principles supporting pacifism carry over to nonresistance--the belief that any form of self-defense is wrong. This view is usually based on the exemplary life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
According to Christian pacifist John Yoder, Jesus rejected the existing political state of affairs and taught a form of radical nonviolence. Central to Christ's teaching, Yoder says, is His biblical mandate to "turn the other cheek" when encountering violence (Matthew 5:38-48).
In Yoder's view, the way to victorious living is to refrain from the game of sociopolitical control. Jesus exposed the futility of the violence engrafted in the present world system by resisting its inclinations even to the point of death. Hence, Christians are to refuse the world's violent methods and follow their Savior to the cross (Matthew 26:47-52). When Jesus told the disciples to buy a sword (Luke 22:36), pacifists suggest He was only speaking figuratively.
"TURN THE OTHER CHEEK" ALWAYS? It is true that Jesus said to turn the other cheek in Matthew 5:38-42. However, many scholars do not believe pacifism (or nonresistance) is the essential point of His teaching in this passage. These scholars do not believe Jesus was teaching to "turn the other cheek" in virtually all circumstances. Even Christ did not literally turn the other cheek when smitten by a member of the Sanhedrin (see John 18:22-23).
The backdrop to this teaching is that the Jews considered it an insult to be hit in the face, much in the same way that we would interpret someone spitting in our face. Bible scholar R. C. Sproul comments: "What's interesting in the expression is that Jesus specifically mentions the right side of the face [Matthew 5:39]....If I hit you on your right cheek, the most normal way would be if I did it with the back of my right hand....To the best of our knowledge of the Hebrew language, that expression is a Jewish idiom that describes an insult, similar to the way challenges to duels in the days of King Arthur were made by a backhand slap to the right cheek of your opponent."
The principle taught in the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5:38-42 would thus seem to be that Christians should not retaliate when insulted or slandered (see also Romans 12:17-21). Such insults do not threaten a Christian's personal safety. The question of rendering insult for insult, however, is a far cry from defending oneself against a mugger or a rapist.
In terms of following Christ's example, one must remember that His personal nonresistance at the cross was intertwined with His unique calling. He did not evade His arrest because it was God's will for Him to fulfill His prophetic role as the redemptive Lamb of God (Matthew 26:52-56). During His ministry, however, He refused to be arrested because God's timing for His death had not yet come (John 8:59). Thus, Christ's unique nonresistance during the Passion does not mandate against self-protection.
THE BIBLICAL CASE FOR SELF-DEFENSE. It is noteworthy that the Bible records many accounts of fighting and warfare. The providence of God in war is exemplified by His name YHWH Sabaoth ("The LORD of hosts"--Exodus 12:41). God is portrayed as the omnipotent Warrior-Leader of the Israelites. God, the LORD of hosts, raised up warriors among the Israelites called the shophetim (savior-deliverers). Samson, Deborah, Gideon, and others were anointed by the Spirit of God to conduct war. The New Testament commends Old Testament warriors for their military acts of faith (Hebrews 11:30-40). Moreover, it is significant that although given the opportunity to do so, none of the New Testament saints--nor even Jesus--are ever seen informing a military convert that he needed to resign from his line of work (Matthew 8:5-13; Luke 3:14).
Prior to His crucifixion, Jesus revealed to His disciples the future hostility they would face and encouraged them to sell their outer garments in order to buy a sword (Luke 22:36-38; cf. 2 Corinthians 11:26-27). Here the "sword" (Greek: maxairan) is a dagger or short sword that belonged to the Jewish traveler's equipment as protection against robbers and wild animals. A plain reading of the passage indicates that Jesus approved of self-defense.
Self-defense may actually result in one of the greatest examples of human love. Christ Himself said, "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends" (John 15:14). When protecting one's family or neighbor, a Christian is unselfishly risking his or her life for the sake of others.
Theologians J. P. Moreland and Norman Geisler say that "to permit murder when one could have prevented it is morally wrong. To allow a rape when one could have hindered it is an evil. To watch an act of cruelty to children without trying to intervene is morally inexcusable. In brief, not resisting evil is an evil of omission, and an evil of omission can be just as evil as an evil of commission. Any man who refuses to protect his wife and children against a violent intruder fails them morally."
Thank you HarpyEagle.
Your post, amongst all the posts so far have put across a lot of sense and meaning. It's beautiful - the piece of knowledge.
I agree with it. Self defence and protection of others is not ''unChristian'' or any of that sort and I have so far never said it must not be done.
However I still am against handing over guns and selling of arms to everybody in INDIA. I keep repeating myself. Guns is not the solution to a much larger, much more deeply rooted problem.
I have a question to ask you though, despite being warned by Jesus that they would need swords in the coming times, why is that in Acts, when the apostles were beaten, arrested and many were martyred, none of them tried to defend themselves?
That is also a thought to be considered.
Your post, amongst all the posts so far have put across a lot of sense and meaning. It's beautiful - the piece of knowledge.
I agree with it. Self defence and protection of others is not ''unChristian'' or any of that sort and I have so far never said it must not be done.
However I still am against handing over guns and selling of arms to everybody in INDIA. I keep repeating myself. Guns is not the solution to a much larger, much more deeply rooted problem.
I have a question to ask you though, despite being warned by Jesus that they would need swords in the coming times, why is that in Acts, when the apostles were beaten, arrested and many were martyred, none of them tried to defend themselves?
That is also a thought to be considered.
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They were outnumbered and their weapons were only for 1 on 1 combat/defense, resistance would have been futile.
Not everyone is capable or are of the mental capacity to own/carry/use a firearm. So, each one would need to be checked, tested and qualify to be able to do so safely and responsibly if the need should arise. So is it elsewhere as well, the need to establish who can properly own/carry/use a firearm, its not to be handed out like candy.
A psychological/cultural change needs to take place as well. That process starts at home with proper parenting. Teaching morals, respect and discipline. When that fails, the law and the long arm of the law is what is all that is left to deal with the resultant behaviors after the commission of crimes everywhere on the globe.
Not everyone is capable or are of the mental capacity to own/carry/use a firearm. So, each one would need to be checked, tested and qualify to be able to do so safely and responsibly if the need should arise. So is it elsewhere as well, the need to establish who can properly own/carry/use a firearm, its not to be handed out like candy.
A psychological/cultural change needs to take place as well. That process starts at home with proper parenting. Teaching morals, respect and discipline. When that fails, the law and the long arm of the law is what is all that is left to deal with the resultant behaviors after the commission of crimes everywhere on the globe.
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