Sabbath Law and Rest

[Spokenpassage]

It's just like that saying LT, "Believe me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father." And also, "An hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshippers."

So it's not about where and when, but about how. That's what the Father wants.

 

[LovePink]

I am fully persuaded by the gospel of our salvation in the identity I have before God in Christ. If someone here wants to tell me I am "making excuses" or " I don't have the law written on my heart" or worse "I have a heart of stone", because I am not in bondage to "trying" or "keeping" a day "holy"- I would first like to test the spirit of said persons and ask for their gospel message, in other words how do you confess Christ & salvation?

To many "Christians" are outside of Christ who are vain jangling, this is a cause for confusion and it is causing a loss of belief, faith & souls. The gospel, trusting it, believing it, knowing it & sharing it- is what saves and makes one alive to God... Liberty is shed forth for the workman & ambassador of Christ to move in faith with the word of life the "glorious gospel" everyday is a new day, all the days of our lives. We are holy, because we have that spirit that is of God, sealed with it as a purchased possession until the day of redemption, that is "the new creature" God is currently forming. How dare another "christian" speak against our freedom, shame on you, hypocrites.


Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun vain and profane babblings; for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

 

[Jay1]

They are over a billion people that keep Sunday as the Sabbath, so yes someone did say that it was the sabbath. It is sad to see children of God misinterpreting scripture and even when the the truth is presented to them they still refuse to hear the word. Brother Matt is correct because his answer is from the word of God, where all followers of Christ should get their answers. For every truth of God there is a counterfeit by the devil, the Sabbath debate is no different. You should do your research on who started this Sunday Sabbath worship and you will see that it very much matters what day we keep as the Sabbath, www.godssabbathtruth.com Romans 14:5-10 is talking about the Jews judging the Gentiles when it comes to Jewish Yearly Sabbaths and the eating of sacrificial meat. It is not telling us that we can keep any day as the sabbath. Christians follow Christ:- Genesis 2:2-3, Isaiah 66:22-23, Exodus 16:21-30, Luke 4:16, Luke 23:53-56, 24:1, Revelation 12:17. I pray that these scriptures give you a better understanding of the Sabbath (Saturday).

 

[chubbena]

There is a division in the Christian community regarding what is required and what is desired by God for man's earthly rest.

1. Some say that God clearly requires a Friday sunset - Saturday sunset Sabbath.
2. Others say that God desires this Saturday Sabbath for us and blesses that specific day.
3. Others say that God desires a weekly day of rest, and blesses those who rest one day per week.
4. Others say that we are to ignore the idea entirely.

Which views are appropriate, and which views oppose Scripture?

While I was with the church, I asked one of my pastors why we don't observe Sabbath but we worship on Sunday. He said they didn't teach not to observe Sabbath and that Sunday worship is to celebrate His resurrection and is not to replace Sabbath. I asked why they didn't preach Sabbath observing. He said it's not their priority to preach such and they had scheduled the content of their sermons for the next few years so there's no room for that.
Then I tried. It wasn't difficult because Friday night is usually fellowship time and I spent Saturday either studying the bible with the family or with others who were interested.
I gave myself lots of excuses not to consistently observe the Sabbath. You know we are being believers in NT and all.
That went on for a few years and the conviction grew bigger and bigger but I kept denying it because it could bring much inconvenience. It meant I had to change my life style so I asked for signs good or bad. I wanted Him to tell me loud and clear. I just wanted to know. I was determined.
Big mistake.
Signs came one after another when I "took the day off". Sickness almost to the point of death, water damage to the home and furnace went dead in the depth of winter when I went home after the day off.
Superstitious? You bet I am but didn't I ask for signs? It's loud and clear.

Sorry I went off topic but as for me and my family we observe from sunset to sunset. I mean, if we were to observe we might as well do it by the book.
Do we go straightly by the book? Not really. Sometimes we start late (you know it could get dark at 4pm in where I live in winter) and sometimes we end very late because no one wants it to end. We usually "spend" the whole day gathering together in someone's home resting, eating, sharing, studying the bible. There's no fixed schedule. One may show up early in the morning the other might come late in the afternoon. We are still searching for the right way after six years and we are still learning.

 

[chubbena]

as for keeping it restful: I've been doing leftovers and pre-pack food to avoid cooking, I've stayed home, I cleaned my space Friday so I wouldn't need to Saturday.

as for keeping it holy: i've spent most of the day either in the Word or in prayer, I've been in fellowship with other Christians through online (skype and CC) and on the phone, and have abstained from TV and games.

any other suggestions?

Go for a walk in the nature and admire His creations?

 

[RedTent]

I am fully persuaded by the gospel of our salvation in the identity I have before God in Christ. .

It is impossible to have the full gospel of our salvation in Christ and at the same time deny God the Father.

 

[LovePink]

They are over a billion people that keep Sunday as the Sabbath.

That is just strange, where is a statement like this conceived? In all my years as a religious person, never did the thought enter my mind that I was keeping the sabbath... let alone when I went to church on Sunday.

Jay1,

When you sin against keeping the sabbath holy, what do you do? According to our apostle and the gospel Christ gave him to preach, when were sins paid for? So, again when you fail to keep the sabbath day holy to your standard of belief, what do you do about that or even more interesting what do you tell others they should do... say like LT, so now he's trying to practice keeping sabbath, but say he gets weak and really had a craving for pizza Saturday afternoon, he's driving to pizza hut, needs gas, goes into the am/pm, he's thirsty plus he needs a drink to wash down the pizza, back on the road in route, he gets pulled over because he has a brake light out- what should he do about breaking the sabbath?

Before you say,"if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins." Let me remind you what the gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery revealed is all about, "we are complete in Him", "He was delivered for our offences and raised for our justification", "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not inputing their trespasses against them" We are dead to sin, the spirit that is of God, the inner man of the new creature, who is our identity in Christ before God, is holy and cannot sin.

Who are you before God the Father and what is the gospel you believe, preach & confess?

 

[LovePink]

Sunday worship is to celebrate His resurrection and is not to replace Sabbath.

Is this wrong? How is it that you are able to keep the sabbath, what gives you this freedom?

We are still searching for the right way after six years and we are still learning.

The high priest called the time of observance, you know this right?

 

[LovePink]

It is impossible to have the full gospel of our salvation in Christ and at the same time deny God the Father.

What do you mean by "full gospel", tell us what the gospel of our salvation is, first, that would be a good starting point.

Christ being raised "with" power, means what according to the gospel Christ gave to our apostle Paul?

 

[LovePink]

Go for a walk in the nature and admire His creations?

That is actually quite sweet and a lovely activity. I am going out to work in my garden, cannot believe the warm, sunny weather we are having this winter! Enjoy your today, everyone.

 

[38miles]

spiritually, i consider every day a sabbath now. is there a day that we don't set aside our old works and seek to enter His rest?

This nails it for me.

 

[chubbena]

Is this wrong? How is it that you are able to keep the sabbath, what gives you this freedom?



The high priest called the time of observance, you know this right?

Sunday worship and it's format is a continuation of the Roman Catholic tradition.
Not too many are able to enjoy a day off on Saturday in this busy world so what do you do when you are among the lucky few? What do you do to relax? Some go to a movie or a mall but do those things give us true rest?
The high priest what? Kindly clarify.

 

[chubbena]

That is actually quite sweet and a lovely activity. I am going out to work in my garden, cannot believe the warm, sunny weather we are having this winter! Enjoy your today, everyone.

But that could be very tiring depending on your definition of "work" is. Whenever I work in my garden I admire Yahweh all the more. Everything He creates is a miracle - even the weeds.

 

[RedTent]

Originally Posted by posthuman

spiritually, i consider every day a sabbath now. is there a day that we don't set aside our old works and seek to enter His rest?

This nails it for me.

Do you think this biblical truth cancels the truth of the Sabbath and instructions we have surrounding it? Scripture seems to talk about two separate kinds of rest for us, one definition in the first is to rely on completely, the other in another scripture is to refrain from work.

We have many English words with different shades of meaning, we are supposed to be able to understand by the content of the sentence the word is in.

 

[LovePink]

Sunday worship and it's format is a continuation of the Roman Catholic tradition.

What does your first sentence have to do with how a Christian chooses to worship or how a christian decides to keep the sabbath... it's like when I ask a JW to tell me how their sins are forgiven and they want to break into some silliness about the cross being a torture stake and Christ's hands being above His head! I'm like what?! What does that have to do with the gospel message?! and the forgiveness of your sins.

Chubbena,

What is the gospel of our salvation, this gospel given by Christ to our apostle Paul that he says in Scripture he, "when up by revelation, and communicated unto them" who were at Jerusalem.

The high priest what? Kindly clarify.

This is the order of things, pretaining to the house of Moses. It has also been said, this is why Christ said what He did about the Father only knowing the day and hour and not the Son, in Matthew 24.

I have plenty of experience with religious sabbath keepers. Let us first identify our gospel and then we will see where we stand with access to the Father

 

[LovePink]

We have many English words with different shades of meaning, we are supposed to be able to understand by the content of the sentence the word is in.

It starts with the gospel of our salvation and understanding who we are in the Lord's body. What do you think God the Father sees when He looks at you?

 

[phil112]

Come on, LT, this has been answered. But, hey, I was about to look up the other thread for a post and I'll do it here instead.
We are under no command to keep sabbath, on any day. He surely does tell us to rest, but the day is our choice. I tell you a little story, about this. I went to a pentecostal church that believed in tithes, and when it came time, the pastor asked for testimony. A woman stood and said she had this on her mind: "I have been thinking, we tithe a tenth of our income, and I think we should tithe a tenth of our time to God too". Well the whole congregation nodded in agreement, and praises and amens were heard. I was astonished. That isn't what God wants from us. He wants all of us. We better be serving Him 24/7. We have to be examples to people all the time, not part of the time. The preacher was a customer of mine, and I cornered him after the service. He agreed with me, but he didn't clear it up for the congregation.

God was very clear about these things, yet people still keep putting themselves in slavery, which is what keeping the law is.
I must admit, I will never understand the outright rejection by some of the wonderful sacrifice Christ made for us.
Exodus 31:

And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, [SUP] [/SUP]Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you. Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. [SUP] [/SUP]It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

 

[dcontroversal]

Sabbath is a part of the old obsolete laws given to Jews. To Christians Jesus is our Sabbath and we are not to obey the old mosaic laws. We are to obey the moral laws of Christ only. The Judaizers and nomian nuts wants us to mutilate our foreskin, stop eating pork and strictly observe the few laws they observe which have no hold on Christians.

I like pork tenderloin on the grill as well as catfish hah...

I think Hebrews chapter 4 gives us very good insight into the whole concept of (rest) (Sabbath) and points us all to the ultimate goal of what the (Sabbath) was originally designed to portray. Without a doubt man was commanded to work 6 days and rest 1 day over a 7 day period and the Jesus clearly tells us about the Sabbath (day of rest) as his disciples walked thru the field picking corn on the Sabbath and He said unto them (Pharisees) "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: therefore the Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath." Mark 2:27-28

Jesus done the following things on the Sabbath (day of rest) and or taught about the following things done on the Sabbath...

1. Picked corn Matthew 12:1
2. The priests on the Sabbath profaned it and were BLAMELESS Matthew 12:5
3. Healed a man Matthew 12:10-13
4. Actually healed numerous times on the Sabbath
5. Makes the points about the ox in the ditch on the Sabbath
6. States it is good to do good on the Sabbath--->what if that means cutting the grass for a cancer stricken neighbor?

The real question is not about the physical aspects of the Sabbath as it was simply a day of rest for man that was ordered by God as a commandment which was again designed to point to God and His holiness and the inability of man to completely keep the law.

The real question is what are the spiritual truths that are gleaned from this day of rest that God had ordained and commanded unto the Nation of Israel. Jesus makes it clear from the above truths that HE IS LORD of the SABBATH and FOR HIS DISCIPLES TO PICK CORN ON THE DAY OF REST and or PULL AN OX OUT OF THE DITCH IS IRRELAVENT! To do good, to heal, to pick corn, to pull an ox from the ditch and or lay around all day and rest are all fully acceptable unto the LORD OF THE SABBATH on the SABBATH day!

 

[WomanLovesTX]

No command from Jesus?

Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

No command from the apostles and disciples?

Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Come now, some are not reading all the precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little, and there a little.

 

[RedTent]

Come on, LT, this has been answered. But, hey, I was about to look up the other thread for a post and I'll do it here instead.
We are under no command to keep sabbath, on any day. He surely does tell us to rest, but the day is our choice. I tell you a little story, about this. I went to a pentecostal church that believed in tithes, and when it came time, the pastor asked for testimony. A woman stood and said she had this on her mind: "I have been thinking, we tithe a tenth of our income, and I think we should tithe a tenth of our time to God too". Well the whole congregation nodded in agreement, and praises and amens were heard. I was astonished. That isn't what God wants from us. He wants all of us. We better be serving Him 24/7. We have to be examples to people all the time, not part of the time. The preacher was a customer of mine, and I cornered him after the service. He agreed with me, but he didn't clear it up for the congregation.

God was very clear about these things, yet people still keep putting themselves in slavery, which is what keeping the law is.
I must admit, I will never understand the outright rejection by some of the wonderful sacrifice Christ made for us.
Exodus 31:

Did you think that God was just beating His gums when God told us about the Sabbath? Why are you so determined not to listen when God talks of the Sabbath in scripture. I think you have a silly idea in your head that God is threatening you if you don't keep it, so you are lashing out.

Did you think that God actually put us in slavery when He freed us from sin? God told us about the sin that would enslave us so we could avoid it. It is sin that enslaves, not freedom from sin. That the law is to enslave us is just an awful thing to say.

Christ's sacrifice is to give us eternal life and life abundant. Why ever would you connect that with our keeping law, except that God can have nothing to do with sin so to keep ourselves close to God we must use Christ to cleanse and repent of our sin.

I think you have yourself stuck on some false ideas and it is keeping you from being able to think as God leads you.