God doesn't seem to really care.

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May i ask what you hope to accomplish here?
All you are arguing for is that God is not acting how you think he should act....but this is a silly argument to present to christians or to anyone because who are we to question God (Book of Job). "His ways are higher than our ways" and other such passages will be quoted.
So what if God doesn't care about us....he's God and can do whatever he wants, you can choose to not worship him.
Better yet, you can chose not to believe at all then your whole argument becomes a moot point.
Well the bible says he does love/care about us. So if he does not love/care about us then that part of the bible is false and if that part is false then more parts can be false too... which would cause this whole religion to break down.

I'm trying to determine if god's love is true so I can determine if the rest of the bible is true.
 

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So many versus on God loving us, not one has been used yet...

John 3:16
“For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
Romans 5:8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Zephaniah 3:17 The LORD your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing.
Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations,
Proverbs 8:17 I love those who love me, and those who seek me diligently find me.
Psalm 31:16 Make your face shine on your servant; save me in your steadfast love!
Psalm 63:3 Because your steadfast love is better than life, my lips will praise you.




But don't get me wrong, God also hates...

Romans 9:
10 This son was our ancestor Isaac. When he married Rebekah, she gave birth to twins.[f] 11 But before they were born, before they had done anything good or bad, she received a message from God. (This message shows that God chooses people according to his own purposes; 12 he calls people, but not according to their good or bad works.) She was told, “Your older son will serve your younger son.”[g] 13 In the words of the Scriptures, “I loved Jacob, but I rejected Esau.”[h]


14 Are we saying, then, that God was unfair? Of course not! 15 For God said to Moses,


“I will show mercy to anyone I choose,
and I will show compassion to anyone I choose.”
16 So it is God who decides to show mercy. We can neither choose it nor work for it.


17 For the Scriptures say that God told Pharaoh, “I have appointed you for the very purpose of displaying my power in you and to spread my fame throughout the earth.”[j] 18 So you see, God chooses to show mercy to some, and he chooses to harden the hearts of others so they refuse to listen.


19 Well then, you might say, “Why does God blame people for not responding? Haven’t they simply done what he makes them do?”


20 No, don’t say that. Who are you, a mere human being, to argue with God? Should the thing that was created say to the one who created it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 When a potter makes jars out of clay, doesn’t he have a right to use the same lump of clay to make one jar for decoration and another to throw garbage into? 22 In the same way, even though God has the right to show his anger and his power, he is very patient with those on whom his anger falls, who are destined for destruction. 23 He does this to make the riches of his glory shine even brighter on those to whom he shows mercy, who were prepared in advance for glory. 24 And we are among those whom he selected, both from the Jews and from the Gentiles.
 
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Are you really implying that the economic recession was brought about because americans stopped seeking God? and that you were spared "complications" because you got saved?

Im sorry but you are just flat out wrong here.
I won't ridicule you but that not what I stated.
 
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I am not God so I cannot answer this with authority of where that soul would end up. Consider this, though: one must have Christ in their heart in order to be forgiven. So, when the person was murdered and they cried out, "Lord Jesus, please save me!" is that considered repentance? Would they then be in heaven? God knows the heart. It is dangerous to consider these kinds of 'what ifs' and put oneself or another in the place of God to determine the ultimate destination of a soul.

I do know that God is a merciful and just God and He can see into that person's 23 repentance. Does He take that into account? I would say yes, but then, once again, I am not God and never pretend to be.

As to the first part of your response: circle talk does nothing to solve your quandaries. I never said that no one would exist, for there are those that have chosen Him, so where you got that logic from my statement, I don't know.
Yes, I would hope he would consider their future choice.

And sorry, the "no one exists" thing was my idea, I was not getting it from what you said. I just meant that your response was only relevant if god had created at least some people in the first place.
 
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So many versus on God loving us, not one has been used yet...

John 3:16
“For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
Romans 5:8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Zephaniah 3:17 The LORD your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing.
Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations,
Proverbs 8:17 I love those who love me, and those who seek me diligently find me.
Psalm 31:16 Make your face shine on your servant; save me in your steadfast love!
Psalm 63:3 Because your steadfast love is better than life, my lips will praise you.




But don't get me wrong, God also hates...

Romans 9:
10 This son was our ancestor Isaac. When he married Rebekah, she gave birth to twins.[f] 11 But before they were born, before they had done anything good or bad, she received a message from God. (This message shows that God chooses people according to his own purposes; 12 he calls people, but not according to their good or bad works.) She was told, “Your older son will serve your younger son.”[g] 13 In the words of the Scriptures, “I loved Jacob, but I rejected Esau.”[h]


14 Are we saying, then, that God was unfair? Of course not! 15 For God said to Moses,


“I will show mercy to anyone I choose,
and I will show compassion to anyone I choose.”
16 So it is God who decides to show mercy. We can neither choose it nor work for it.


17 For the Scriptures say that God told Pharaoh, “I have appointed you for the very purpose of displaying my power in you and to spread my fame throughout the earth.”[j] 18 So you see, God chooses to show mercy to some, and he chooses to harden the hearts of others so they refuse to listen.


19 Well then, you might say, “Why does God blame people for not responding? Haven’t they simply done what he makes them do?”


20 No, don’t say that. Who are you, a mere human being, to argue with God? Should the thing that was created say to the one who created it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 When a potter makes jars out of clay, doesn’t he have a right to use the same lump of clay to make one jar for decoration and another to throw garbage into? 22 In the same way, even though God has the right to show his anger and his power, he is very patient with those on whom his anger falls, who are destined for destruction. 23 He does this to make the riches of his glory shine even brighter on those to whom he shows mercy, who were prepared in advance for glory. 24 And we are among those whom he selected, both from the Jews and from the Gentiles.


So... god has favorites? He chooses his favorites to be "decoration pots" and the rest are just "garbage pots"? If he loves us equally then why would he do this?

So I may just be a "garbage pot" to god?
 

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So... god has favorites? He chooses his favorites to be "decoration pots" and the rest are just "garbage pots"? If he loves us equally then why would he do this?

So I may just be a "garbage pot" to god?
You seem to have read only one part of that...
(Deuteronomy 4:29 NKJV) "But from there you will seek the LORD your God, and you will find Him if you seek Him with all your heart and with all your soul.
 
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Of course god has favorites...just read the old testament
 
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If god really cared about each and every one of us so much, then why did he create us in the first place when he knew that so many would not choose him and end up going to hell? I mean it's just evil to create something that you know will destroy itself... better to not create something at all than create something that will just destroy itself.

Of course if he created something, he would have to let it have free will but if the result of free will is self-destruction then he should not have created anything at all. Then there would be no people suffering in hell. There would never have been anything. All this could have been avoided, if god would have cared enough to restrain himself from creating.
I have asked these exact questions word for word. Pretty much from the same age as you. So ya christians do think of these things. I've asked God all of these.
The only answers I have come up with at 35 years old is that He is Good, He is Trustworthy, He is Just and He is Loving. That is what He responds to me with.
So take that for what it is worth to you.
 
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Of course god has favorites...just read the old testament
You are right in fact. God does play favorites. God loves those who repent and confess their sins and hates those who do not.
God also loves those who do not belong to him, but will let them resist...however..

[h=3]Jonah 4:11[/h]New International Version (NIV)

11 And should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left—and also many animals?”
 
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You seem to have read only one part of that...
(Deuteronomy 4:29 NKJV) "But from there you will seek the LORD your God, and you will find Him if you seek Him with all your heart and with all your soul.
Well that one part really stuck out to me... for obvious reasons...
 
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You are right in fact. God does play favorites. God loves those who repent and confess their sins and hates those who do not.
God also loves those who do not belong to him, but will let them resist...however..

[h=3]Jonah 4:11[/h]New International Version (NIV)

11 And should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left—and also many animals?”
Sorry, I meant "play faves" in the sense that he chooses who will go to heaven and who won't. Like, he makes them reject him... so they don't really have a choice... at least that's what i got from what someone else on here said... *shrugs*
 
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You really wanna follow a god that plays favorites like a common human?
we are made in His image, or He is made in our image .... one of those

and again its a moot point for me because i reject belief in any god
 
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we are made in His image, or He is made in our image .... one of those

and again its a moot point for me because i reject belief in any god
A god has neither been proven to exist or not exist. As i'm sure you know. So choosing to 100% believe or 100% not believe, without significant evidence in either case, does not seem a wise decision in my book. But of course you can believe as you wish.
 
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A god has neither been proven to exist or not exist. As i'm sure you know. So choosing to 100% believe or 100% not believe, without significant evidence in either case, does not seem a wise decision in my book. But of course you can believe as you wish.
Agreed, I recant my statement :p

Let me rephrase....
I find no reason at this time to believe/accept currently proposed gods due to lack of significant evidence to justify the god claims.
 

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A god has neither been proven to exist or not exist. As i'm sure you know. So choosing to 100% believe or 100% not believe, without significant evidence in either case, does not seem a wise decision in my book. But of course you can believe as you wish.
So I take it you have never researched the historicity of the bible... It's either this is God or this Isn't... Jesus is either a lunatic, a narcissist, or God himself...

To say that God has not been proven or disproven is incorrect entirely... Evolution (macro) has been widely disproven, Mormonism has been widely disproven... I just gave two cases that you claim never happened...
 
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So I take it you have never researched the historicity of the bible... It's either this is God or this Isn't... Jesus is either a lunatic, a narcissist, or God himself...

To say that God has not been proven or disproven is incorrect entirely... Evolution (macro) has been widely disproven, Mormonism has been widely disproven... I just gave two cases that you claim never happened...
Even if jesus was just a lunatic and/or narcissist, that does not prove a god does not exist. It would prove the god of the bible does not exist. Of course it can't be proven what jesus was anyway.

Certain theories of gods, as well as certain scientific theories, have been proven or disproven, but wether there is any type of god in the universe, 100% existing or 100% not existing, well that has not been proven or disproven.
 

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Okay so God of the Bible claims he is the only one and True God that will ever exist or has existed..... God has had fulfilled prophecies... With the prophecies recorded years before the event... God also claims of events that will happen after the messiah comes such as the destruction of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple... Both happen after Christ... Bible depicts How Christ would die, years before His birth...


Again you have not researched the historicity of the Bible? And if you can disprove it then tell me before you move to research next religion... So to come out with the claim
"A god has neither been proven to exist or not exist.
Is saying that the historicity and sovereignty of my God is not true... So show me how...