God doesn't seem to really care.

[doseofreality]

There are far more prophets then Isiah, such as Daniel for instance... But when you get a religion producing correct prophecies where the prophets are saying they are from God, and they are sayingtheir purpose is to show God's glory and to 'warn' the future generations...

Seems like you need to explain the prophecies... So explain the prophecies depicted in the bible/Torah?

Idk but maybe the person telling the future correct knows why he is telling the future... If you were solving a math problem such as 2+2 correct you would be able to explain why...

I don't have an explanation for the prophecies, but the explanation that God spoke to someone needs first external evidence that the God in question exists, then that it communicates with us.

Also i have given you the assumption that all the prophecies are 100% accurate, but that also would need external supporting evidence.

 

[Spokenpassage]

You believe God is sovereign right?
That everything is controlled by God and nothing can thwart His divine plan.

This implies that it was Gods purpose for Eve to be tempted, for sin to enter the world, for us to be born guilty, and for many to reject salvation or never have the chance to choose.

Follow the logic, its not as simple as you make it out to be.

Human logic, you won't get anywhere.

God is sovereign and yes His will is unavoidable, but at the same time man can make a choice. He will accomplish His will even while we reject Him. Samson is a perfect example. He was blessed before he was even born, called to be a judge of Israel. But in the bible, it describes his life as self interest, self caring, greedy and sinful. Slept with prostitutes, did so much against God you wonder how did God still use him? No matter what the person chooses in life, His will is going to be accomplished. He judged Israel for decades. Can you imagine how awesome his life could've been if he lived it for God? His image in the bible would've been so much brighter. Even before his death, though he did a seemly heroic act, if you read it, his motivation was centered on revenge rather than on God.

 

[doseofreality]

Someone has never read their bible... Why did God create humanity

Genesis 1:26-28

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

 

[Arcynaculr]

So tell me what isn't accurate... I am explaining the tip of the iceberg...

I do not know for sure what is not accurate. but some things seem very unlikely, for example: gods love for us and sin as reason for death.
Those have not been proved. The very existence of your god has not been proved. Only certain events have been proved.

Is there a way to prove the existence and, more importantly, the nature and intentions of your god?

If there is no possible way to prove that... then I will not be making any assumptions but sticking to the probability that they can't be proved because they are not accurate. Not saying they are not accurate, just saying they probably are not. If the odds can be shifted to, "they probably are accurate", then I will go with that.

 

[T_Laurich]

Genesis 1:26-28

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

Nice google search... But.... I think you are still incorrect...

 

[T_Laurich]

I do not know for sure what is not accurate. but some things seem very unlikely, for example: gods love for us and sin as reason for death.
Those have not been proved. The very existence of your god has not been proved. Only certain events have been proved.

Is there a way to prove the existence and, more importantly, the nature and intentions of your god?

If there is no possible way to prove that... then I will not be making any assumptions but sticking to the probability that they can't be proved because they are not accurate. Not saying they are not accurate, just saying they probably are not. If the odds can be shifted to, "they probably are accurate", then I will go with that.

Why do you harden your heart? You can see scientific predictions, and historic predictions... I have given examples... No other religion tells you of these...

The way you are saved in every other religion is by being a 'good' person... In Christianity you are 100% damned... You have sinned and by that definition you are guilty... Every other religion says by being a good person the Judge will say your good deeds outweigh your bad so you are free... In Christianity the Judge say, you stole and must be punished... You raped and must be punished... No matter if that was the only sin you ever committed you broke the law...

In america if I am speeding and get caught, it doesn't matter that I have been driving for 30 years without a ticket, I am guilty and I am charged of my crime... Same with Christianity...


Only in Christianity it is by God's grace that you are saved... No amount of works will ever save... Explain why this radical and scandalous religion is the only one with these predictions and fulfillments?

And explain why you overlook this and hold it as false?

 

[doseofreality]

Human logic, you won't get anywhere.

God is sovereign and yes His will is unavoidable, but at the same time man can make a choice. He will accomplish His will even while we reject Him. Samson is a perfect example. He was blessed before he was even born, called to be a judge of Israel. But in the bible, it describes his life as self interest, self caring, greedy and sinful. Slept with prostitutes, did so much against God you wonder how did God still use him? No matter what the person chooses in life, His will is going to be accomplished. He judged Israel for decades. Can you imagine how awesome his life could've been if he lived it for God? His image in the bible would've been so much brighter. Even before his death, though he did a seemly heroic act, if you read it, his motivation was centered on revenge rather than on God.

Haha what other logic is there

Ok so what i get from that is that there is an illusion of choice because no matter what we choose God's will is done.
This is actually starting to be discovered in neuroscience, our subconscious brain knows what we will do a few seconds before our conscious brain "decides" what to do. We think we have free-choice but our genes, environment, and internal preferences mostly dictate everything we do.
Thus if God made us, then He already hard-wired us to be more susceptible to some things rather than others. Giving credence to the illusion of choice.

 

[Arcynaculr]

Human logic, you won't get anywhere.

Well then, i guess we should all stop thinking and just accept the regime lol

 

[RedTent]

I used to make porcelain dolls. I would buy porcelain and molds, pour the porcelain carefully in the molds and fire it. Then construct the body, paint the dolls, put the doll together and design and make the clothes for the doll. Each doll was a little different, they had their own personality.

I used materials that God had constructed to make these dolls, but I still felt I did a lot of the creating. If they would have turned on me, criticizing me for how I created them, telling me how they wanted me to do it as we tell God, I would have felt like smashing them instead of enjoying them.

 

[Spokenpassage]

Haha what other logic is there

Ok so what i get from that is that there is an illusion of choice because no matter what we choose God's will is done.
This is actually starting to be discovered in neuroscience, our subconscious brain knows what we will do a few seconds before our conscious brain "decides" what to do. We think we have free-choice but our genes, environment, and internal preferences mostly dictate everything we do.
Thus if God made us, then He already hard-wired us to be more susceptible to some things rather than others. Giving credence to the illusion of choice.

Or God has a plan for you, it's to help you and to help others. If you won't receive it, it's sure is a possibility that He will still help those other people through you in your denial, while trying to win you before you die. If you believe it's an illusion, then your whole life will be viewed as an illusion. God is the absolute reality, to deny the absolute, your in a illusion of self depravity.

Human logic is the futherest kind of logic a man can ever acknowledge if he doesn't know God. You can try to believe in human logic and science. But in the end, aren't they as depraved and lost as you? Aren't they looking for answers in the wrong direction? Jesus once said, the blind cannot lead the blind or else they both will fall into a ditch.

 

[doseofreality]

Nice google search... But.... I think you are still incorrect...

It clearly states the reason God originally made us..."to rule over the earth"

Why do you think God made humanity?
The typical answer is "for His glory"

 

[Spokenpassage]

Well then, i guess we should all stop thinking and just accept the regime lol

Being opened minded isn't bad if you can't understand logic beyond yourself. What's funny is, unbelievers will scoff at us, but forget that we once were just like them. I remember being skeptical before being a Christian. When I came to be open minded, I learned that not understanding was ignorance while believing wasn't.

 

[T_Laurich]

It clearly states the reason God originally made us..."to rule over the earth"

Why do you think God made humanity?
The typical answer is "for His glory"

Maybe you will like this sermon.
Here's a nice read

 

[Arcynaculr]

Why do you harden your heart? You can see scientific predictions, and historic predictions... I have given examples... No other religion tells you of these...

The way you are saved in every other religion is by being a 'good' person... In Christianity you are 100% damned... You have sinned and by that definition you are guilty... Every other religion says by being a good person the Judge will say your good deeds outweigh your bad so you are free... In Christianity the Judge say, you stole and must be punished... You raped and must be punished... No matter if that was the only sin you ever committed you broke the law...

In america if I am speeding and get caught, it doesn't matter that I have been driving for 30 years without a ticket, I am guilty and I am charged of my crime... Same with Christianity...


Only in Christianity it is by God's grace that you are saved... No amount of works will ever save... Explain why this radical and scandalous religion is the only one with these predictions and fulfillments?

And explain why you overlook this and hold it as false?

You know there is such a thing as coincidence.

And just because your religion is different from all the rest does not automatically make it completely accurate.
Also, i have never experienced anything from god. I was raised in a christian home, god never helped me or answered me or proved himself to me at all. He seemed to ignore me. Is it cuz the god of the bible is a liar or cuz he does not exist? Or possibly some other reason...

 

[doseofreality]

Or God has a plan for you, it's to help you and to help others. If you won't receive it, it's sure is a possibility that He will still help those other people through you in your denial, while trying to win you before you die. If you believe it's an illusion, then your whole life will be viewed as an illusion. God is the absolute reality, to deny the absolute, your in a illusion of self depravity.

Human logic is the futherest kind of logic a man can ever acknowledge if he doesn't know God. You can try to believe in human logic and science. But in the end, aren't they as depraved and lost as you? Aren't they looking for answers in the wrong direction? Jesus once said, the blind cannot lead the blind or else they both will fall into a ditch.

Ok you are contrasting human logic with God's logic, however, you learn God's logic through the Bible making it the "Bibles logic", the bible was written by humans so its still human logic just with different premises.

Now everything you say is tied to this statement "God is the absolute reality" . How do you know that is true?
When did you learn this truth?
What evidence convinced you?
How did you come to know how to define God? to know what his attributes were?

 

[Arcynaculr]

I used to make porcelain dolls. I would buy porcelain and molds, pour the porcelain carefully in the molds and fire it. Then construct the body, paint the dolls, put the doll together and design and make the clothes for the doll. Each doll was a little different, they had their own personality.

I used materials that God had constructed to make these dolls, but I still felt I did a lot of the creating. If they would have turned on me, criticizing me for how I created them, telling me how they wanted me to do it as we tell God, I would have felt like smashing them instead of enjoying them.

Or you could just let them live forever, however they want, and occassionally help with expanding their living area, while you go off and try to make sonething better... Or just entertain yourself some other way lol i dont know what gods do for entertainment (maybe dont need it) but we may be their entertainment...

 

[T_Laurich]

You know there is such a thing as coincidence?
Yes, but how is it coincidence?
And just because your religion is different from all the rest does not automatically make it completely accurate.
I am not saying it is correct because it is different. I am saying it is different because it is correct.
Also, i have never experienced anything from god. I was raised in a christian home, god never helped me or answered me or proved himself to me at all. He seemed to ignore me. Is it cuz the god of the bible is a liar or cuz he does not exist? Or possibly some other reason...

​As for the last part... I am stumped... I truly am, and I am not going to pretend I have an answer for it...

 

[Spokenpassage]

Ok you are contrasting human logic with God's logic, however, you learn God's logic through the Bible making it the "Bibles logic", the bible was written by humans so its still human logic just with different premises.

Now everything you say is tied to this statement "God is the absolute reality" . How do you know that is true?
When did you learn this truth?
What evidence convinced you?
How did you come to know how to define God? to know what his attributes were?

If I learned God's logic through the bible, what does that say about the humans God used to write it? Inspiration or human reasoning? The whole bible was written within a period of 2000-1500 years at least, instead of a one time deal. Just imagine how complicated that would be if everyone who were a part of writing it tried to keep the same logic through just human reasoning in that long period of time.

What's funny about the bible than anything else is the fact that most mythology and religions talk about flawless heros who gets the glory by their heroic deeds and things. While the bible is about a God who uses messed up, imperfect people for His glory and not their own. Why does our God work with imperfect people unlike the other beliefs? Because that's the reality of the world. In our bible, God works with people who reject Him and hate Him. It's no mystery...

It's evident in the word of God. Everything a person needs, is in the Word of God. God made mention of His existence as the true reality. Only the absolute can sustain reality. God says in Isaiah "Who is like Me? Let him proclaim and declare it; Yes let him recount it to Me in order, from the time that I established the ancient nation. And let them declare to them the things that are coming and events that are going to take place."

If He acts who can reverse it? The absolute reality found in the word of God.

 

[doseofreality]

Maybe you will like this sermon.
Here's a nice read

Thanks for the link.

Hey I was right, its all for Gods glory. Im starting to forget the christian answers as I haven't been to church in over 3 years.

Question about an excerpt from sermon:
"Now when God says that he created us for his glory, it cannot mean that he created us so that he would become more glorious, that his beauty and perfection would be somehow increased by us. It is unthinkable that God should become more perfectly God by making something that is not God. "

I completely understand the theology here but i want to ask you a deeper question:
Why should we think that God cannot become better or more glorious or more perfect than He already is?
Is there any way of confirming what limits God has on His own attributes?
Is it not this way because of how we as humans have defined God arbitrarily?

 

[doseofreality]

If I learned God's logic through the bible, what does that say about the humans God used to write it? Inspiration or human reasoning? The whole bible was written within a period of 2000-1500 years at least, instead of a one time deal. Just imagine how complicated that would be if everyone who were a part of writing it tried to keep the same logic through just human reasoning in that long period of time.

What's funny about the bible than anything else is the fact that most mythology and religions talk about flawless heros who gets the glory by their heroic deeds and things. While the bible is about a God who uses messed up, imperfect people for His glory and not their own. Why does our God work with imperfect people unlike the other beliefs? Because that's the reality of the world. In our bible, God works with people who reject Him and hate Him. It's no mystery...

It's evident in the word of God. Everything a person needs, is in the Word of God. God made mention of His existence as the true reality. Only the absolute can sustain reality. God says in Isaiah "Who is like Me? Let him proclaim and declare it; Yes let him recount it to Me in order, from the time that I established the ancient nation. And let them declare to them the things that are coming and events that are going to take place."

If He acts who can reverse it? The absolute reality found in the word of God.

All the books of the bible were written by Jews with exception of Luke i think. So naturally they would know their own history and would have access to the old scrolls and previous writings. In this way the newer writings should build on the older ones with the authors sharing a similar worldview thus resulting in a consistency in the overall bible.
Also during the canonization process, books that were not consistent would not be picked, so its not as amazing as you might think.