God doesn't seem to really care.

[Arcynaculr]

​As for the last part... I am stumped... I truly am, and I am not going to pretend I have an answer for it...

Coincidence that some stuff went right for your religion and not others.
Well there is no proof the differences are correct.
And until something solid can shift the probability of the accuracy of any god, i am inclined to not follow or trust anything any religion says.

but none of the participants of this religion seem capable of offering anything solid. and i guess thats the point. you have to go on "faith" cuz there is nothing completely solid about your religion...

 

[T_Laurich]

Thanks for the link.

Hey I was right, its all for Gods glory. Im starting to forget the christian answers as I haven't been to church in over 3 years.

Question about an excerpt from sermon:
"Now when God says that he created us for his glory, it cannot mean that he created us so that he would become more glorious, that his beauty and perfection would be somehow increased by us. It is unthinkable that God should become more perfectly God by making something that is not God. "

I completely understand the theology here but i want to ask you a deeper question:
Why should we think that God cannot become better or more glorious or more perfect than He already is?
Is there any way of confirming what limits God has on His own attributes?
Is it not this way because of how we as humans have defined God arbitrarily?

To the first question... Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Malachi 3:6a I am the Lord and I do not Change

To the second question, God is all knowing and all powerful(Psalm 147:5)... Many analogies could be used here...

To the question number 3, I don't think that the Christian God could have been created without any reason what so ever... Every god ever said to have existed had a very valid reason. But the thing that sets my God apart, is how the questions are answered, the predictions of the future, and the very being of my God is not one of the gaps...

 

[T_Laurich]

Coincidence that some stuff went right for your religion and not others.
Well there is no proof the differences are correct.
And until something solid can shift the probability of the accuracy of any god, i am inclined to not follow or trust anything any religion says.

but none of the participants of this religion seem capable of offering anything solid. and i guess thats the point. you have to go on "faith" cuz there is nothing completely solid about your religion...

Why do you call the prophecies as nothing to be held as solid???

WHY!

 

[MidniteWelder]

Or you could just let them live forever, however they want, and occassionally help with expanding their living area, while you go off and try to make sonething better... Or just entertain yourself some other way lol i dont know what gods do for entertainment (maybe dont need it) but we may be their entertainment...

So you're asserting the creator should serve the created?

 

[Spokenpassage]

All the books of the bible were written by Jews with exception of Luke i think. So naturally they would know their own history and would have access to the old scrolls and previous writings. In this way the newer writings should build on the older ones with the authors sharing a similar worldview thus resulting in a consistency in the overall bible.
Also during the canonization process, books that were not consistent would not be picked, so its not as amazing as you might think.

If that were true, the Talmud in its divisions wouldn't contradict the bible. It was written by Jews, and its basically commentary on the old testament. Matter of fact, the Talmud has at most 8 different interpretations for descriptions. Neither one of them connects. That's called using human logic instead of God's. So yes the bible alone is that amazing.

There is several periods of canonization. That really doesn't make my statement dull at all. I'm talking about the writing, not the acceptance of canonization. But you do agree that all books were written with that period. So yes it's that amazing my friend...2000-1500 years of writing...

 

[Arcynaculr]

Why do you call the prophecies as nothing to be held as solid???

WHY!

Because the prophecies do not prove anything about your god. All that proves is some prephecies happened... we don't know if they came from god or not.

There were some prophecies! Lets assume they came from god! Um.. no.

 

[T_Laurich]

Because the prophecies do not prove anything about your god. All that proves is some prephecies happened... we don't know if they came from god or not.

There were some prophecies! Lets assume they came from god! Um.. no.

Okay so show me anyone else in history predicting a specific building being destroyed hundreds of years in the future... Or correctly predicting the snakes legs falling off... Or any other prediction in the bible...

The reason why you won't is because GOD PROPHECIES! Not man!

Show me anyone else...



These prophecies are unique to the bible for 1 reason... There is 1 reason you find them no where else...


WHY DO YOU HARDEN YOUR HEART!

 

[Arcynaculr]

So you're asserting the creator should serve the created?

Not really. Just set up a system that takes care of everything and then leave us alone. simple. If you are going to bring something into existence you should make sure its needs are fulfilled and it does not suffer simply because of your choice to bring it into existence.

 

[Arcynaculr]

Okay so show me anyone else in history predicting a specific building being destroyed hundreds of years in the future... Or correctly predicting the snakes legs falling off... Or any other prediction in the bible...

The reason why you won't is because GOD PROPHECIES! Not man!

Show me anyone else...



These prophecies are unique to the bible for 1 reason... There is 1 reason you find them no where else...


WHY DO YOU HARDEN YOUR HEART!

You seem to have ruled out coincidence again...

And the possibility the prophecies came from something else besides god...

 

[T_Laurich]

Not really. Just set up a system that takes care of everything and then leave us alone. simple. If you are going to bring something into existence you should make sure its needs are fulfilled and it does not suffer simply because of your choice to bring it into existence.

God builds one jar to be cast into the trash and another to be decorated...

 

[T_Laurich]

You seem to have ruled out coincidence again...

And the possibility the prophecies came from something else besides god...

Explain to me how its coincidence the only places in human history that prophecy comes true OVER AND OVER AND OVER again... And only in 1 religion...

 

[MidniteWelder]

Coincidence:
God's way of remaining anonymous to those who choose not to listen to him.

Sorry Bro...there are no coincidences.

 

[Arcynaculr]

Explain to me how its coincidence the only places in human history that prophecy comes true OVER AND OVER AND OVER again... And only in 1 religion...

Even if its not coincidence. still does not prove a god. ok? ok.

 

[Arcynaculr]

Coincidence:
God's way of remaining anonymous to those who choose not to listen to him.

Sorry Bro...there are no coincidences.

You can give the credit to anything you want. what truly lies behind things is unknown.

 

[T_Laurich]

Even if its not coincidence. still does not prove a god. ok? ok.

How not!!!

Why must you harden your heart.... WHY!

You know how many religions try to prove they are true by one prophecy... E.g. Mormonism, when they have tons that have failed...

Yet Christianity has non that have failed... And tons that have succeeded...

 

[alehandra]

Hi, firstly i want to say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year everyone!( sorry for late,i just back from long ...long duty )
I have spent days to find some meaning to this year's Christmas(maybecan be answer ur questions).I wonder what I need to know more about him. We spend a lot of time to know our boyfriend/girlfriend or spouse. But do we have the same intention to spend time to know our beloved God? I don't want to spend this year's Christmas with full of activities but miss the 'main thing'. So yes I spent time with Him through His Words. You may have heard about this before, I even thought I have known it already. But the unique part about God is you never arrived in knowing Him. There is always more. And here is what I find.. G R A C E isn't just a word. Grace isn't just some kind of doctrine of theology. Grace is not an abstract concept that we find it hard to understand. Grace is a person, and his name is Jesus. We serve a God who is full of grace and truth.

We may come from different background of belief. Some people believe that they serve an angry God who set rules that they have to obey and punish if they disobey them. These people can become legalistic (they try to follow all the rules as many as they can and look down on those who disobey the rules) or on the other extreme side they can live in constant fear of "not good enough". But the truth is, none of us can live perfectly, only Jesus can. So in effort to be flawless, we become helpless because we fail often. "Relationship" with God becomes an obligation or lists of things to do to make him "happy". But I want to present to you the Good News. I hope the truth may engraved in your heart deeply. Because it will set you free

1. God hates sin, but loves the sinners.

I beg your pardon? Do you say it correctly? How can it be? Yes, we as human, when we dislike what a person do, we also dislike the person. When your friend constantly lying to you, you immediately dislike him as a whole person. So this concept might be weird according to our human nature. How can we hate what he does to us but at the same time love for who he is?? But that's our loving and just God. God is holy. That's why he can't stand with sin. But God is also love. He is full of love to all human being who also are sinners. God is not mad at you. If you ever have confessed that you are sinners, you can't save yourself, and declared how you need Jesus as Savior for your life, God sees you now in the light of Jesus. At the cross, God's wrath to all sins of mankind have been poured out to Jesus and at the same time, His righteousness has been given to those who believed, believes, and will believe in Him! Now, that's why we call Gospel as "Good News" because it really is a Good News! Call it as a beautiful exchange! This is what's being described on the song sung by Hillsong, "Beautiful Exchange."

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You were near, Though I was distant​

Disillusioned I was lost and insecure​

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Still mercy fought, For my attention​

You were waiting at the door, Then I let You in​

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Trading Your life, For my offenses​

For my redemption, You carried all the blame​

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Breaking the curse, Of our condition​

Perfection took our place​

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When only love​

Could make a way
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You gave Your life
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In a beautiful exchange
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My burden erase, my life forgiven​

There is nothing, that could take this love away​

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My only desire, and sole ambition​

Is to love You just the same​

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When only love​

Could make a way​

You gave Your life​

In a beautiful exchange
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When only love​

Could break these chains​

You gave Your life ​

In a beautiful exchange​

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Holy are You God​

Holy is Your name​

With everything I've got​

My heart will sing how I love You
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2. Nothing that you do could ever make Him love you more nor love you less.

Another weird truth, huh? To grasp this truth, put your feet on a shoes of parents. This is exactly the heart of parents (normally) to their children. They love their children no matter what. Even though their children messed up, no matter how deep their children fall into certain addiction, no matter how their children keeps making troubles wherever they go, they still love them. They love their children too much until they will feel pain whenever their children do so. They love them but at the same time deep down they wish that their children will stop doing those things that will eventually destroy their lives. The same thing goes to children who do everything good for their parents. Their parents may be proud of them, but that doesn't change the level of their love to them. It will always be 100% unconditional love, because the fact that they are their children. Okay, some parents may not be like that. Because parents are human with flaws. But our God is certainly not human. He is God, He is the perfect loving Father. You can be sure of His love to you will never change.



You know, I feel my life feels so much lighter when I believe deeply how much my Father loves me no matter what. It encourages me all the more to do good things as a testimony for others to know Him as well. I don't do good things to earn His favor, as many 'religions' emphasise. No, God is already pleased with me because of what Jesus has done at the Cross. And knowing it's all because of Jesus, gives me no reason to boast. It's not because of my goodness, it's not because of what I've done. Because in human effort, I will never achieve the 'good enough' or even I feel I am good enough, that will be a lie.




cristianity is not a religion. It is not about going to church every Sunday. But your very own relationship with your Savior, Jesus Christ. It happens daily, every moment you awake, every minute you spend. It gives you a purpose in life. It fills the emptiness of your heart that can never be replaced by human being. Human may disappoint you for there is no perfect one. But God will never disappoint nor leave you nor stop loving you, because He is a perfect God with a perfect love. He can't deny how much He loves you and nothing can ever change that. Grace isn't just a word, it is a person, named, Jesus Christ.


Your faith can only grow as strong as the knowledge of your God. Here are some Bible verses to know more about Him

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"The LORD is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love." -Psalm 103:8​

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"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfil?" -Numbers 23:19
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WithLove
Cilla

 

[doseofreality]

To the first question... Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Malachi 3:6a I am the Lord and I do not Change

To the second question, God is all knowing and all powerful(Psalm 147:5)... Many analogies could be used here...

To the question number 3, I don't think that the Christian God could have been created without any reason what so ever... Every god ever said to have existed had a very valid reason. But the thing that sets my God apart, is how the questions are answered, the predictions of the future, and the very being of my God is not one of the gaps...

Thanks for answering my questions.
Now we get to the crux of the argument...You think the Bible is the inspired word of God and everything in it is truth, I think any truth in the Bible must be justified on its own merit.

Your reasons for #1,#2 are self-fulfilling because I can now just say, How do you know that authors of Hebrews, Malachi, Psalms are speaking the truth? The text makes claims as statements of fact.
You cannot justify a biblical theological position by quoting from the bible because that is where the position in question was derived.

I agree with your #3 answer, but i think that the christian God developed and evolved over time from other God ideas.

 

[MidniteWelder]

You can give the credit to anything you want. what truly lies behind things is unknown.

Well... I would agree with you that it is difficult to fully Know God at this time here on Earth.
And I can understand not believing in something without proof.
Have you studied and looked at natures design at all?
it sure shows a lot of evidence for a master blueprint.
Many mathematical fundamentals integrated.
Balance, velocity, gravity, etc.
The earth the perfect distance from the sun.
Our Body regulating itself to within 1/10th of a 1 degree at a constant 98.6
Colder than that problems can arise.
If we need to kill a virus, body raises its temp.
Hydrogen the most flammable gas,
oxygen which feeds it to sustain a chain reaction of heat we see as fire.

In a clean burning flame which is invisible is there still a fire?
If you can't see the heat is it still hot?
Yet...what puts out fire but those same two elements combined in the right state of being.
Coincidence? or master design by the epitome of genius

Just like with any person
You can also know God, if you seek him and spend time with his word, this is how he communicates with us.
Some time down the road, he may even communicate with you one on one personally.
Then there is no questioning God any longer my friend.
No question.

 

[T_Laurich]

Thanks for answering my questions.
Now we get to the crux of the argument...You think the Bible is the inspired word of God and everything in it is truth, I think any truth in the Bible must be justified on its own merit.

Your reasons for #1,#2 are self-fulfilling because I can now just say, How do you know that authors of Hebrews, Malachi, Psalms are speaking the truth? The text makes claims as statements of fact.
You cannot justify a biblical theological position by quoting from the bible because that is where the position in question was derived.

I agree with your #3 answer, but i think that the christian God developed and evolved over time from other God ideas.

No, again I point to prophecies... (Retort to you saying that the authors could be fake). This would merit the book to beyond true.

To number 3 show me how God changed over time.

 

[Arcynaculr]

How not!!!

Why must you harden your heart.... WHY!

You know how many religions try to prove they are true by one prophecy... E.g. Mormonism, when they have tons that have failed...

Yet Christianity has non that have failed... And tons that have succeeded...

Yes. thats nice. but it could have been quite a few other things besides a god. with the sane probability as a god. do i really need to give some examples?