God doesn't seem to really care.

[Arcynaculr]

TLaurich, you have been baited

It was not my intention to "bait" anyone. My apologies...

 

[homwardbound]

I sincerely asked him to prove himself to me. Which should be so easy for him to do. Nothing so far.

What is your motive and don't need to answer me answer God and maybe see why God has not answered you. The evil that chooses selfishness over others, for its own gain alone, if I were God I would only answer as per that persons motive. Only you know and God the creator knows your motive and could be why you have not been answered. This is between God and you not us here at least me, I am nothing more than a person just as you are

Believe for nothing other than to know God, to rest in God, not for knowledge, gain, but only to love others as you want to be loved, then God will reveal himself to you in God's timing since Gos does know all peoples motive. And is why God will have Mercy on whom God will have Mercy knowing the motive

 

[Arcynaculr]

I count on this promise because I believe, and that can't be changed, praying for you. Not preying for you as people do this type over the other type, that you might be blaming them for preying on you and thus claim this to be God who does love you, when it is the experiences of others that do not love you and claimed they believe in God

You don't havta be a christian to believe in the christian god. for example: some kinds of satanists believe in him.
I guess if one is "born again" they should be a loving person but apparantly even "born again" people can still struggle with sin.

 

[homwardbound]

Again you are comparing things proven to exist (kung fu, hydrogen) with things not proven to exist (god).

Air exists even though it can't be seen or touched, so God is the same

 

[Toska]

Why...? that has a complicated answer. yes, i still struggle with the "faith" aspect. but there is more than that. its hard for me to explain it all... some things i'm not even sure how to explain... i'm sorry i can't just type everything out in one big perfect paragraph, but i am trying to convey my misgivings as best i know how...Also, just wanna point out that "many people" depends what you think of as many people. There are billions of people in the world so...

I can understand being frustrated about not being able to explain how you feel. Belief in God is a huge step for a lot of people. Like I said in an earlier post, I fought against belief for many years. I felt like it was too easy, just believe and I am forgiven? It seemed too good to be true. Why did I deserve all of the gifts that He had to offer after living my life the way I had for so many years? I did not feel worthy at all.

I know now that it is true. Once I finally gave my life to God, He made his presence in my life very clear--I can feel Him in my heart and soul. The way I feel now compared to how I felt before accepting Christ into my life is just as hard to explain as it is for you to explain how you are feeling now. I only wish I had the words to help you see that He is real, that He does love you, and that He does want you to be with Him always.

And, in regards to many people, I meant many people on this site. I apologize for not making myself clearer and appreciate you pointing out the error of my words.

I hope you do not mind me praying for you, praying that God will help you see clearly how real He is and how much He loves you.

 

[homwardbound]

What if i can't trust without proof? Personal proof. and a time committment. Anyone on the street could come up to me and say i can trust them... and they could have a whole group with them that says i can and have records of reasons why i can. but that does not mean i should. the group could all be fooled and the records could be fake. Thats nothing special.

if this person wants me to trust them it will take a long time and many instances of personal proof. so maybe if god proves himself to me personally over and over for a couple decades... Now that's special and maybe i will finally begin to trust. but i suppose he does not care enough about me personally to do this. so why should i care about him personally?

Plus deeds do not prove intentions. and his intentions may be different for some people than most people...

The difference between flesh man and the Spirit of God
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

 

[homwardbound]

God:

• John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
  John 4:22-24 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
• John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
  John 4:23-25 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
• John 14:17 even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
  John 14:16-18 (in Context) John 14 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
• John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
  John 16:12-14 (in Context) John 16 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

 

[homwardbound]

I suppose the problem is simple then: neither god nor his intentions for me can be proven and i can't have faith.

Your choice yet God does offer it for you personally

 

[Arcynaculr]

At least you are pondering what is truth and you will come to know it and then decide Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been pondering for years.

Also, there are people who become christians and then leave christianity behind and join a different religion or become atheist or agnostic etc.
I guess you could simply excuse them as never being truly "born again" or "saved" but how do you know for sure?

 

[Arcynaculr]

Can you see the air, is it real, do you breath the air to live. If no air that you do not see is not there we die right
So here is your analogy of truth about God you don't see God yet God is real jusy as the air you breath

You can't see the air... but you can feel it. but i can't even feel a gods' presence.

 

[homwardbound]

You dont know me so dont say what i "just" am.

He should be willing to explain some things if he really cares.

God does and you are not hearing, you were given two ears and one mouth so you could listen twice as much as you speak, the same for all of us
Try it be quiet sit still and hear

 

[homwardbound]

Yes. so i see. and it is impressive. but still no proof that the exact god of the bible (or any god at all) was behind it all... What was truly behind it is unknown.

Did something create all that you see around you? And this is best known as God, who I assure does just love you, yet people don't but God does

 

[Toska]

You can't see the air... but you can feel it. but i can't even feel a gods' presence.

I didn't feel God's presence for a very long time either. It took a lot of faith and willingness on my part to take a chance. I completely opened myself to Him and asked Him into my life. The feelings that I had at that moment are almost indescribable. I was filled with so much love, peace, joy, contentment. And that feeling has stayed with me ever since.

I have no physical proof for you. I can only tell you that I know deep in my heart and my soul that God is real. His love is like no other love you have ever felt. It is like the air, you cannot see it but you can feel it. It is the same with God. I cannot see Him but I can feel Him in my life every day.

 

[homwardbound]

Yea, i may have anger. but its more than that. you dont understand so dont act like its a simple anger problem.

And yes... your perspective is you love god, trust god, he is everything, you want everyone to have the peace of god and can't understand why anyone would turn down a "free gift" ... And you know god to be truth. (something like that)

Thats all well and good for you. but i obviously dont see it that way, and you would be positive i am the one thats wrong, wether cuz you are fooled or enlightened, who really knows. (you think you know, yea yea) . I am not claiming to be sure of anything, unlike you.

And as for a relationship with god, if i deem it a wise decision then yes i shall attempt it.

That is wise Sister wise as anything could ever be, The things bad that have happened and might still happen are not from God. These things are from selfish people that can't care less for you personally. There are many of these type that claim to know God and do not.
I am thanking God right now for God's protection for you right now from all the evil that has been besetting you. Father protect her from the evil, thank you Father, and be still and know that God does love you, while others do not even if they claim to know God

 

[Arcynaculr]

I can understand being frustrated about not being able to explain how you feel. Belief in God is a huge step for a lot of people. Like I said in an earlier post, I fought against belief for many years. I felt like it was too easy, just believe and I am forgiven? It seemed too good to be true. Why did I deserve all of the gifts that He had to offer after living my life the way I had for so many years? I did not feel worthy at all.

I know now that it is true. Once I finally gave my life to God, He made his presence in my life very clear--I can feel Him in my heart and soul. The way I feel now compared to how I felt before accepting Christ into my life is just as hard to explain as it is for you to explain how you are feeling now. I only wish I had the words to help you see that He is real, that He does love you, and that He does want you to be with Him always.

And, in regards to many people, I meant many people on this site. I apologize for not making myself clearer and appreciate you pointing out the error of my words.

I hope you do not mind me praying for you, praying that God will help you see clearly how real He is and how much He loves you.

Sure its ok if you pray. and thanks for the post. it made me feel a bit better.

 

[Arcynaculr]

God does and you are not hearing, you were given two ears and one mouth so you could listen twice as much as you speak, the same for all of us
Try it be quiet sit still and hear

You mean like meditation?

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, but the consequences aren't huge for tiny sins.

Sin caused death period, but Christ seperated death from sin in order to give new ,life in the Spirit of God and his power to stop evil flesh that could care less even though it masquerades as good
For I personally stand like the mighty oak tree that once was a small nut that stood its ground
Stand fast and seed

 

[homwardbound]

Really? Well thats reasonable. why do some christians say that "all sin is the same" and all gets equal punishment?

Sin brought death in Adam and Eve. They were told what would happen if they ate from that particular tree. God did not lie.
And by the Love of God he through Son provided Mercy to all if they beleive God. It is not an issue of doing right over wrong
It is an issue as to whether one believes or not, and through this one loves and can't harm their neighbor, because this one is finally loved as they have always wished to be loved
Once tasted there is no turning back, but it can and many times takes awhile to break on through to the other side, the Spiritual side

 

[homwardbound]

What do you spend eternity in hell for?

not loving neighbor as self nor God who loves you. Hitler does he deserve Hell?

 

[Arcynaculr]

Did something create all that you see around you? And this is best known as God, who I assure does just love you, yet people don't but God does

Known as god... but do we really know god? one can believe they do, but belief and truth are two different things. like how people used to believe the world was flat (and many were 100% sure, but they were wrong)