Yes. Sin however no longer condemns them. They still bear the consequences of sin, pain and misery but not condemnation from God.
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Roger
DEBATE - CATHOLIC vs PROTESTANT
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For the cause of Christ
Roger
If we say the following...
I have not sinned or...
If we say that we have no sin (present context) then....
The truth is not is us and we are a liar.
The spirit that is born of God does not sin, the wicked fallen body that we have is dead because of sin and our mind is the battle ground for who gets control...Either the Spirit we have from God (doesn't sin) or the body of sin that is corrupt (lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes and pride of life.
I agree and will add that is why God gave us the truth concerning (chastisement) and if you/we can sin without getting our butt whipped off by God then we are illegitimate and not true sons and or daughters.
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7seven7
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Where did you receive it through when your earthly father corrected you?
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Roger
Classic. Can you give an explanation of what you mean? There is a sense in which your statement can be seen as a universal truth and another sense in which it is a completely misleading statement.
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Roger
That depends upon how God decides to proceed...He may financially take all that you have, or he may take a spouse away or a child (death) David and Bathsheba...he may withhold the rain etc.
God has many ways to chastise a sinning servant...he may even take your life if he so chooses.
Sometimes he uses blessings to shame us!
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SilkandDungarees6
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So both you and Dcontroversal say "YES" that a justified man does still sin. OK, then can you both answer my 2nd question which is this...
Since you claim justified believers still sin, then does that include sins such as what King David had committed? Please give a simple "YES" or "NO" answer to my question without posting a Bible verse, since different people have different interpretations of Bible passages. So post a "YES" or "NO" answer so that everyone reading this thread knows exactly what your position is.
Also, if other non-Catholics would like to join in on answering that question I've posed, then feel free to do so.
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phil112
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If you are a Christian, and not a christian, you stop sinning. God would never command us to do something we couldn't do.
He tells us "go and sin no more". That is a pretty definitive statement, and we are told that more than once. Someone that keeps sinning, or believes it is inevitable, is merely making excuses for lust.
He tells us "go and sin no more". That is a pretty definitive statement, and we are told that more than once. Someone that keeps sinning, or believes it is inevitable, is merely making excuses for lust.
Ok let's not play cute. You asked if a justified man could still sin and the answer is yes. As long as we dwell in the body of flesh we are capable of sinning.
Now you want to construct straw men to argue a as yet unrevealed point. Can a man who is justified sin after the similitude of David? Of course he can. Will the Holy Spirit endeavor to guide him away from such sin? Yes but the Holy Spirit cannot over ride the will of man. Paul dealt with the issue when he said the things that I want to do I do not and the things I do not want to do I do. There is no peace between the flesh and the Spirit. The two always are at war with each other.
This is deeper than I think you want to go but a justified man ought not to want to sin and he should be grieved when he does sin but all men sin. We can sin less but we cannot be sinless as long as we live in this body. We do not all sin the same sins but we sin far more often that most will admit and that too is a sin.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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7seven7
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We are capable of being perfect. We, in our weakness, choose not to be. God created us perfect. We stuffed that up, not Him. Our capability of perfection is still there. Not easy, but possible. It's what we as Christians should be striving for, for the eternal glory of God. We are God's creation. If He created us incapable of being perfect, then His creation was flawed. That's a big call. Peace
I already answered above and if you think you are above sin then why did you not die for humanity instead of Jesus?
and I will ask you for a yes or no...was David saved when he sinned against God with Uriah and Bathsheba?
Was Peter saved when he denied the Lord three times?
Were the disciples saved when they forsook the Lord?
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SilkandDungarees6
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Sorry, but I don't see your "YES" or "NO" answer above. So can you please post it again? And if it was not a "YES" or "NO" answer, then why not? Why be slippery in how you give your response? Why not just be clear and give a simple "Ye" or "Nay" so that everyone can know exactly where you stand without having to guess?
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SilkandDungarees6
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So notuptome's answer in regards to that question I posed about King David's sins is a "YES". Thank you for giving a straight forward response to a straight forward question. This shows that you are of good will.
Now lets see if Dcontroversal will do the same. I look forward to Dcontroversal's hopefully straight forward "YES" or "NO" answer to that question I posed about King David.
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about King David's sin.
I know you are asking non-catholics this question, as a former non-catholic my answer is withoiut repentance there is no forgiveness of sin. With repentance all sin is forgivable, even the gravest of sins. mortal sin some might call it.
about King David's sin.
I know you are asking non-catholics this question, as a former non-catholic my answer is withoiut repentance there is no forgiveness of sin. With repentance all sin is forgivable, even the gravest of sins. mortal sin some might call it.
If you cant understand where I stand by all the posts that I have entered or anyone else for that matter leads me to conclude that you are blind.
If we say the following...
I have not sinned or...
If we say that we have no sin (present context) then....
The truth is not is us and we are a liar.
The spirit that is born of God does not sin, the wicked fallen body that we have is dead because of sin and our mind is the battle ground for who gets control...Either the Spirit we have from God (doesn't sin) or the body of sin that is corrupt (lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes and pride of life.
yes...is this big enough for you to see?
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SilkandDungarees6
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So both the protestant, Dcontroversal and the protestant, notuptome, have answered "YES" that justified believers do still sin, and that adultery and murder are included in such sins. So here are my last two questions about justification.......
If a justified believer commits adultery and murder, then does that individual lose his or her justification and therefore needs to repent of those sins, as we Catholics believe, in order to regain one's justification?
I await your answer......Also if any other non-catholics would like to respond, then I invite you as well to give an answer to this question
If a justified believer commits adultery and murder, then does that individual lose his or her justification and therefore needs to repent of those sins, as we Catholics believe, in order to regain one's justification?
I await your answer......Also if any other non-catholics would like to respond, then I invite you as well to give an answer to this question
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7seven7
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Brother, I have asked this question over and over again. Watch the diversions you get from a direct answer, if any answer at all.