A Perspective on Evolution

[wwjd_kilden]

well, don't know if that is the case with the people you are referring to now, but mMany people believe in God without believeing as much as half the bible...

 

[Kathleen]

I know plenty of people who believe in God and yet accept the theory of evolution.

I don't see how this can be.

Genisis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

 

[DieuMerci]

To me macro evolution is one of the most unsound theories out there. Where are the missing links? There isn't even one sound example.

Whats happened is that a theory came along that the world loved. Accepting evolution gives you the power to deny that there is any God. Without a God you can do whatever you want without any eternal repercussions.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 (New International Version)

3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Even so, Amen.

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

There are small forms of evolution that have occured, but under the pretenses of genetic mutations. Also- in real evolution you can take away characteristics but not add them. That is the problem with Darwins theory. Besides this, it is a very rocky theory- unfortunatly no one calls it "theory" anymore. To anyone that is interested in a good documentary Ben Stein's "Expelled" is a wonderful reference on how the earth can't just ''appear" and how the Darwin theory is unsound.

 

[Graybeard]

evolution?...ha!....a perfect example is the coelacanth which was said to be extinct and millions of years old but still swims in our oceans today and they are exactly the same as the fossils that have been found, so how come if they are millions of years old, that they have not "evolved?
To me that is hard evidence that evolution is just what it is....a twisted theory devised by Satan to undermine Gods Creation!!

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[Kathleen]

evolution?...ha!....To me that is hard evidence that evolution is just what it is....a twisted theory devised by Satan to undermine Gods Creation!!

Amen to that ^^

Kath x

 

[Chico_Zimbabwe]

so how come if they are millions of years old, that they have not "evolved?

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How do you know they haven't? It's like saying your uncle is still around. What did his children look like? They might have given rise to YOU.

 

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by Brackenzee
I know plenty of people who believe in God and yet accept the theory of evolution.

I don't see how this can be...

I know some people too but here's the thing...it is what god do they believe in that is questionable as they say "I believe there is a god" and have some watered down idea of who God is.

 

[Graybeard]

How do you know they haven't? It's like saying your uncle is still around. What did his children look like? They might have given rise to YOU.

because fossils of them have been dug up or found and scientists have claimed to have dated them to be millions of years old!, they are said to have gone extinct with the dinosaurs 65 million years ago....until its discovery in 1938 by a South African museum curator on a local fishing trawler......
go figure

ps..read my first post carefully

 

[Chico_Zimbabwe]

they are said to have gone extinct with the dinosaurs 65 million years ago....until its discovery in 1938 by a South African museum curator on a local fishing trawler......
go figure

I figure you don't really understand the Theory of Evolution.

 

[sword]

I know plenty of people who believe in God and yet accept the theory of evolution.

That`s because they don´t believe in the God of the Bible. They have an esoteric pantheistic world view.

 

[Leilaii425]

Watch the land before time, also i recommend the other 13 as well, time before land, lands time began, began and times land, land land time. begain a time in land, time to land, began a time land, the time land, .. It gives you the heads up on all thing evolution

 

[MahogonySnail]

Does anyone else like Discworld? No? good, sorry I asked.

 

[imoss]

googles esoteric pantheistic....

 

[Lukelovesthelord]

Hey brother True the subject of creation vs evolution is not the most relevant subject in the church today, However it is very important. The problem is evolution destroys the foundation of the bible. It takes away the fall, it calls the word of God fallible, which makes others doubt the Bible. It is the main reason the soil in our country is not fit for sowing. The whole world has fallen for this lie which satan constructed. he is doing the same thing he did in Eden.
1.) he is trying to make us doubt Gods word (Gen 3:1) "Has God indeed said, You shall not eat of every tree in the garden?"
2.) he is calling God a lier (Gen 3:4) Then the serpent said to the women, You will not surley die.
3.) he trys to convince us we can be equal with God (Gen 3:5) For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil

HE IS USING THE SAME TRICKS TODAY TRY IT THIS WAY

1.) Did God really say 6 days?
2.) God didn't mean 6 days
3.) Your evolving, your getting bigger and stronger, and one day you can be like God

 

[imoss]

googles discworld finds out its either a novel or an online game.

 

[Lifelike]

Truth4All, your name is deceptive.

May I prelude my post by mentioning that the church of England recently released an official apology to Charles Darwin (a little late, but still a nice gesture) for condemning his ideas ages ago? This, in light of the overwhelming amount of evidence for it.

Truth4All, you are a good example of what is so detrimental to science education today. You know a little bit about evolution... Matter of fact, you know more than most. But you obviously know nothing of any substance. In cases like you, knowing a little is more dangerous than knowing nothing because you are capable of misrepresenting the facts in a way that sounds intelligent so that others who know less will believe you.

There are a lot of mistakes in your post, but before I go talking about them, I will request that you present me with a link or journal or something that supports your claim, "Modern science has discovered the barrier, an absolute barrier, beyond which a species can never go."

Now for the problems....

"Modern genetics has shown that within the gene pool of every creature is a range of possible variations, which express themselves when the environment alters. Darwin knew nothing about genes."

Apparently, neither do you. By "within the gene pool of every creature," I will assume that you mean "within the gene pool of every species." You say that within this gene pool, there is a range of possible variations which express themselves when the environment alters. Oh really? How do they "express themselves?" When an environment alters (and the environment is ALWAYS altering, especially since new viruses and diseases are constantly mutating), the organisms who have traits which help them survive live on, then procreate, passing on their genes and their mate's genes to their offspring. Consequently, the offspring now have the genes which determine these traits, and also have their own new genetic code, rendering them a challenge to the plethora of microscopic predators. This process continues until only organisms with the traits fit to the environment are left, procreating. The beak size of Darwin's finches was a response to the necessity of these finches to have harder beaks to crack open the tough seeds that were their food. Finches with softer beaks struggled to eat and died young or had weak offspring. As a result, they died off and were no longer a part of the gene pool. Over a few centuries, only the finches with genes dictating hard beaks were left.

This is how species evolve. It is a known process, understood by science, and is fully capable of being taught and understood, if only SOME PEOPLE would stop thumping their bibles and listen to some legitimate inquiry into the truth of the natural world for once. The Bible is true... but not in the sense that my science textbook is true. Genesis is a great book... But it is absolutely not a historical account of anything that ever happened at any point in history. It is highly metaphorical/symbolic and its message about lost innocence is deep. But the Bible is not a science book. Let's remember that.

"Environment and natural selection allowed the finches to adapt and change slightly, but they remain finches, and can all interbreed."

Yes, obviously. They will not all of a sudden turn into a giraffe. I don't understand how this comment in any way supports your idea that evolution is mistaken.

"The problem is, there is no known mechanism whereby information in the DNA can increase in complexity."

What are you talking about? Seriously, information in the DNA cannot increase in complexity? What does that even mean?

"It never increases, which is what it would need to do to cause a species to evolve upwards."

If I had a buzzer, I would buzz it right now. I need to correct you. Evolution is not progress. It is not "getting better." Darwin himself explicitly stated that "evolution is not progress." All it is is change in response to the environment. There is no "upward" movement (figuratively).

"Variation is not evolution. It is a selection process from already present genes. If there are no new genes to choose from, a species remains stable and is conserved indefinitely."

Nor did anyone say variation was evolution. Matter of fact, those are two completely different ideas. I think you meant that variation is not evidence for evolution (even though it is, in combination with the other evidences). Anyways, you display a vast ignorance of biology here. But I would expect that because if you did know anything about biology, you would understand evolution and we wouldn't be having this discussion. But look: there are ALWAYS new genes. Each generation of a species is a new gene pool, waiting to combine with the others and create a new one for the next generation, and so forth. As a matter of fact, the very reason that sex even exists as the mechanism for procreation is that the combination of two organisms' DNA creates new DNA in their offspring: this presents a challenge for viruses and bacteria that would otherwise quickly adapt and just attack the species with one set of DNA being passed down generation to generation. Asexual species are basically cloning themselves. There are very few species like this.

I would suggest that you take an evolution class at your local community college or just understand more about it and why creationists and Intelligent Design advocates are completely mistaken in pretty much everything they say. Evolution challenges certain beliefs, but it is a well-known fact in the scientific community and it would be wise of you to listen up.

If its so fact why is it still called the theory of evolution? And my guess is that DJB2034 probably doesnt have much more knowledge of evolution than Truth4All, unless he's an evolutionary scientist that is. haha, we could all argue this subect back and forth till we fall over, and would never convert each other. because we all have a world view an opinions that make us bias - EVERYONE is biased. and if theyre not they are likely to interperet the same facts differently. Even a raelian could argue the facts and present a strong case! but for me, i think a more in depth understanding of the bible would be the best place to start to get an understanding of the nature of things. DJB2034 if the imagery in the book of genesis is figurative what is it talking about? i mean the story of creation. if that is not literal, my view, is either Moses was trippin, makin stuff up, having a philosophy session or maybe He really knew God like we are able today, to know Him, to hear His voice, to encounter Him, and He wrote and shared what he was told or shown. maybe jesus didnt exist either? and His life is just a story to help us understand that nothing ever happened anywhere anytime, and that this all isnt happening either haha. id much rather have a sober, in depth, revalatory, living, understanding of the word of God, than philosophy, "science" or anything else that preaches its "wisdom" If we are really submitted to Christ, we will know His word and it will make us free. ;D

 

[Graybeard]

I figure you don't really understand the Theory of Evolution.

what?..that we pulled ourselves out of a puddle of soup like goo?..that we derive from apes???
you mean there is more I should know?

 

[Graybeard]

googles esoteric pantheistic....

googles discworld finds out its either a novel or an online game.

google.....best thing since peanut butter hey?...you make me laugh!
but don't worry, so do I and 99.9% of posters!

 

[Zalen]

@Graybeard:

I don't feel that you are respecting evolution as a legitimate opponent to your belief. You are disrespecting evolutionists by reducing an entire theory and generations of work and research into

"what?..that we pulled ourselves out of a puddle of soup like goo?..that we derive from apes???
you mean there is more I should know?"

I hope that you notice no one, including myself, has labeled creationism as a lie created by Jesus freaks to protect their dying belief in a bearded man in the sky. Please try and keep things less offensive. Of course there are more things you need to understand about evolution before you can denounce it, just as whoever would critique creationism, as I just hypothetically did, needs to understand more about evolution.

As for the fish, if its traits have kept it alive for millions of years, traits that are unfavorable for survival are not present and there is no need for evolution. According to the idea of survival of the fittest it is already fit enough to survive and therefore will not evolve.