Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham - HD

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If you knew anything about the Christian faith you'd know that evangelizing others or "converting" others doesn't get you into heaven or get you any more than the next guy over.



You keep saying, "I never said there was no God," and getting mad at people for categorizing you as an atheist, but all you've done is tell us what your view isn't instead of what your view is. So how about you clear the air and tell us what god or gods your believe in? Are you a Hindu, Muslim, Deist, something else? Please clear the air and clarify this for everyone. It would certainly be a lot more productive and beneficial than just hounding on someone everytime they categorize you as an atheist and responding with an unhelpful "I never said there was no God," snide remark.

This first point is not contrary to what I was saying, at all. Re-read.
 
365 days x God perspective yrs. of 1000= 360,000 x 6000 human perspective yrs. of earth history = roughly 2billion 200 million yrs.

I suspect as scientific age estimation gets better they will settle on the earth being 2190000000 years old.
 
Nye is appealing to a logical fallacy of experience. He states the ark was extraordinary to the point it could not be built. He has stated that Noah did not have the proper know how to build such an extraordinary boat. Is the ark really extraordinary? Nye stated the ark is the largest ship ever built-and that is plain false. The length of the ark was 512 feet long. The Sea Giant, oil tanker is 1,507 feet long. So Bill Nye's facts are exaggerated.

It was built over 120 years by 8 men or 960 man-years or 350400 man-days. That would be enough to build 2 aircraft carriers.

Bill Nye also pointed to a Zoo and stated how large the zoo is as if animals need the entire space to live. Zoo space includes walk ways, streets, parking lots, restaurants, bath rooms, gift shops and staff facilities. I imagine 40% of a zoo is for humans. So again Nye is exaggerating his facts.

Excellent points and I hardly ever hear of anyone stating the possibility that the animals were all young and not fully grown which would allow for plenty of room. It is simple...you either believe or you don't believe the flood story as it all stands together and or falls together. Up until the late 50's early 60's before the (ACID GURUS) like Timothy Leary...most geologists (not all) gave sound that the earth has overwhelming evidence of a world wide deludge, not to mention the fact that most ancient civilizations have a flood story which would make sense because all humanity came from 3 men and 3 women who experienced the flood and would have passed down the testimony of the flood which is time would be corrupted by most sources as Satan likes to corrupt the truth about said event so as to lead humanity further down the path of destruction and disbelief.
 
Another lame thing Nye is doing is his constant reference to "Ken Ham's model". That is just childish.

He was not being childish. Bill Nye was clarifying that his purpose was to debate creationism, more specifically young earth creationism. Ham and others suggest the earth is 6,000 years old, based on their interpretations of science and the Bible.
There are many people of different faiths and within Christianity who do not hold to the 6,000 model, aka Ken Ham's model.
 
You have to hand it to Bill Nye for being a nice guy and not condescending like some
atheists are.

One thing, I couldn't stand about Ken Ham was his argument "Were you there?"

Well, why do detectives and the forensics teams try to solve crimes if they "weren't there"?
LOL!
 
I wonder if they will do more of these debates at the creation museum, this one was sure a success
 
For all the debating...which I was not terribly interest in seeing...I really don't care how old the earth is. Never did. I just do not have a curious nature that way...
 
He was not being childish. Bill Nye was clarifying that his purpose was to debate creationism, more specifically young earth creationism. Ham and others suggest the earth is 6,000 years old, based on their interpretations of science and the Bible.
There are many people of different faiths and within Christianity who do not hold to the 6,000 model, aka Ken Ham's model.
My point is Ham is not the origin of the young earth model. Yet Nye stated many times it was Ham's model.

I like Nye and Ham but that was wrong, IMHO.
 
Early in my Christian walk I was a young earth advocate. But this was, primarily, because it was the only interpretation I had been exposed to. After doing more scripture study, and searching outside the box, it became obvious that Adam was not the first human. If he was, then Cain would not have feared "...that everyone that findeth me shall slay me" (Gen. 4:14). This tells us of pre-Adamic humans in the land which Cain was driven to. This also explains where Cain got his wife (Gen. 4:16). Young earth proponents try to get around this by stating that Cain married a sister. But there is absolutely no evidence for this. They are reading the idea into the text. A close reading of Genesis 4 reveals about six references to pre-Adamic man. These appear to be the humans described in chapter one (in days 1-7). Chapter two, it seems, is describing Adam as created after, some unknown time after the seventh day. Support for this is the references to pre-Adamic humans in chapter four. We know then, based upon Arch Bishop Ushers research, that Adam and his kind have been around about 6000 years. It's too bad that so many evangelicals build their young earth model by blindly assuming that Adam was the first human when this is likely not true. We should also recognize the extreme brevity in the creation account and try not to read into it things which are not there. Yes, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Gen. 1:1). This tells me that that of which the universe consists (time, space, matter and energy) was created by Yahweh God---out of nothing. It also tells me that He who created, out of nothing, created the first form of life---out of non life. As for exactly when, and how our Creator did this I do not know and Genesis does not say. We should not therefore insist that the universe is a mere 6000 years old based upon an assumption that Adam was the first human. Intelligent Design is a better explanation.
I'm indebted to the late archaeologist and Bible scholar E. Raymond Capt, whose book Biblical Antiquities: Book I shed much light on this subject.
 
I am curious about something...is it at all possible that there is someone that cares less about the age of the earth than me?
 
You have to hand it to Bill Nye for being a nice guy and not condescending like some
atheists are.

One thing, I couldn't stand about Ken Ham was his argument "Were you there?"

Well, why do detectives and the forensics teams try to solve crimes if they "weren't there"?
LOL!

Bill Nye was being condescending and he played dirty but under the guise of being charming.
The CSI analogy was silly. Crime scene investigation is heavily reliant on witness testimonies and, as anyone knows, people are fallible and the reliability of these testimonies are often called into question.
 
If Adam was made 6000 years ago, hinduism definitely predates that.

Sumerian religions and Egyptian religions predate it too.

Hindu religion is known to have started with the Indus valley Civilization before 7,000 BCE. More than 9,000 years ago. The hindu texts were written long before the Exodus from Egypt is thought to have happened.

YEC rely first and foremost on the Bible as the standard for truth. The more and more that people move away from a plain reading of the text (day-age theory, evolutionary theory etc.), the more they have to create more non-biblical ideas to justify their jumping through of hoops.
 
Bill Nye was being condescending and he played dirty but under the guise of being charming.
The CSI analogy was silly. Crime scene investigation is heavily reliant on witness testimonies and, as anyone knows, people are fallible and the reliability of these testimonies are often called into question.

Physical evidence trumps eyewitness testimony.

And what about the Gospels? Aren't those supposed to be based on eyewitness accounts?
As anyone knows, people are fallible and the reliability of these testimonies are often
called into question.

My point about Ken Ham's "Were you there?" argument is that what are you supposed
to do when you want to solve a crime? Just give up because you weren't there?

No. You look around and gather evidence. That's what scientists do when they want
to figure out stuff. They don't just say "Well we weren't there so no point in doing
any work, I guess".
 
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The Jews asked for signs, the Greeks searched for wisdom, and the Atheists demands evidence.
 
Physical evidence trumps eyewitness testimony.

And what about the Gospels? Aren't those supposed to be based on eyewitness accounts?
As anyone knows, people are fallible and the reliability of these testimonies are often
called into question.

My point about Ken Ham's "Were you there?" argument is that what are you supposed
to do when you want to solve a crime? Just give up because you weren't there?

No. You look around and gather evidence. That's what scientists do when they want
to figure out stuff. They don't just say "Well we weren't there so no point in doing
any work, I guess".

I see what you're saying but, no. If someone calls themself a Christian, they should take God at His Word. It doesn't stop the need for exploration but enhances it and gives it a solid framework from which to work.