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Tintin
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I disagree with you there. The Hindu religion came about as an off-shoot of the belief in the one true God after the nations were scattered and different languages birthed at the Tower of Babel.
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Tintin
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This is so frustrating. I'm just asking for your perspective. I've done some research on Day-Age theories but you say they don't line up with your beliefs. How can I know what you're talking about, unless you give some form of direction?
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phil112
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Not that I care, but here is something of a follow up to that "debate" in case some of you are interested.
https://medium.com/p/8712e42fbb0d
https://medium.com/p/8712e42fbb0d
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Tintin
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No, no. Earlier, you 'refuted' my reasons for not agreeing the Day-Age model was a viable option (which you have every right to) but then you told me that what I was talking about wasn't even the Day-Age theory but something else. So I'm just wondering how your perspective differences. Thanks.
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Tintin
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That man has the makings of a false teacher, so I wouldn't quote him. Any way, Ham's got nothing on Pat.
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jimmydiggs
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You believe in a thousands-of-year-old earth and Universe.
I believe in a Billions-of-year-old earth and Universe.
Not much in common there.
As far as Salvation goes, we seem to agree.
The point is that outsiders looking into the faith see two Christian camps equally split over what should be a slam-dunk...and they perceive this as nonsense and are scared to even enter the faith because it looks like we can't even agree on the physical things, how then can the spiritual things likewise be true?
See...
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Tintin
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Bowman, I believe the physical creation can only be understood in light of the spiritual (I think you would believe the same). But if there's division because one of the science models is incorrect, that makes sense. If we're united in a lie, that's not truth (please understand, I'm not accusing you). I'm just saying that I disagree with your old creation beliefs and it looks like we'll have to agree to disagree. Thank you for answering my question. God Bless, brother.
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LClark
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Nice to here good comments from Pat Robertson. As he stated, this idea about a young earth came about when Bishop Usher and John Lightfoot had a little competition going, adding up the genealogies. (Now, interpreting genealogies have their own problems including gaps.) The final date (which they changed going back and forth with their refinements) given by Lightfoot (they both agreed on the year 4004 B.C.) was that Creation began on October 19th, and Adam was created 9 a.m. on October 23, 4004 B.C. ("forty-fifth meridian time").
But the key point to remember is that even if they could be added up, genealogies have nothing to do with the age of the earth itself. See In the Beginning
But the key point to remember is that even if they could be added up, genealogies have nothing to do with the age of the earth itself. See In the Beginning
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Tintin
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I'm thankful for the lack of hate-mongering but I disagree with his answers to the questions from creationists.
Actually,
I follow the exact opposite of what you proposed, as declared by Jesus, as thus...
If I tell you earthly things, and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? (John 3.12)
See how God tells us that we must first comprehend the physical before the spiritual?
This is why Jesus spoke in parables...which are earthly stories revealing a spiritual truth!
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jimmydiggs
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Huckleberry
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I'm not one to dogmatically state that the solar system is a certain age, but I believe with confidence that it is much closer to 6000 than to 4.5 billion. The planet Jupiter, at its core, is thought to be over 16,000 degrees Fahrenheit. It is not being heated by any outside source. I think it's a safe bet that if Jupiter were 4.5 billion years old, he'd be pretty cold by now. Just one solid evidence for a relatively young creation. There are many more.
Jesus Himself declared that male and female were made "at the beginning", and NT genealogies run all the way back to Adam. The clear teaching of the Bible is that Adam was made on the sixth literal day of the existence of the Earth. Any teaching or interpretation that disagrees with that is, at best, contorted.
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phil112
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I have seen a lot of people that, like Bowman, claim to believe in God, but deny the possibility the earth is younger than it appears.
Let me submit it to the forum in this manner: How old would we say Adam was the day God made him? We don't know, but I would surmise he would have probably looked to be somewhere around mid-thirties, perhaps. It is ludicrous to think God made and raised Adam as a baby, now isn't it?
So let's consider that for a minute. If God made Adam, and Adam appeared as an adult, who is to say God didn't do the same with earth? Could God make the earth in a matter of days, yet design it to look like an "adult" earth, that was eons of age? Sure He could. If you believe in God, you must believe "With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible" (Matthew 19:26).
Truth is, we simply don't know. I wasn't there. You weren't there. Bill Nye wasn't there. I put my faith and trust in God and believe wholeheartedly that with Him all things are possible.
Let me submit it to the forum in this manner: How old would we say Adam was the day God made him? We don't know, but I would surmise he would have probably looked to be somewhere around mid-thirties, perhaps. It is ludicrous to think God made and raised Adam as a baby, now isn't it?
So let's consider that for a minute. If God made Adam, and Adam appeared as an adult, who is to say God didn't do the same with earth? Could God make the earth in a matter of days, yet design it to look like an "adult" earth, that was eons of age? Sure He could. If you believe in God, you must believe "With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible" (Matthew 19:26).
Truth is, we simply don't know. I wasn't there. You weren't there. Bill Nye wasn't there. I put my faith and trust in God and believe wholeheartedly that with Him all things are possible.
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megaman125
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Good thing this pat robertson doesn't get to dictate what I believe. I'm not sure what he believes in, but nothing is impossible for my God.
If Adam was made 6000 years ago, hinduism definitely predates that.
Sumerian religions and Egyptian religions predate it too.
Hindu religion is known to have started with the Indus valley Civilization before 7,000 BCE. More than 9,000 years ago. The hindu texts were written long before the Exodus from Egypt is thought to have happened.
I'm not getting mad about anything. I'm matter-of-factly pointing out a glaring assumption.