God doesn't seem to really care.
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Let me tangent here; Do you think science stands opposite to God? Do they conflict, does one disprove the other for you? Could it be dependant upon who is reading the material to you? I don't see a conflict -
God says He spoke it all into being out of nothingness ... science tells us out of nothingness, kaboom there it was -
God says He took a single rib from the man to create the woman. Science tells us that a single missing gene in the male is all that differs between the male and female zygotes -
The world's top propeller heads say that we can't see or detect 90% of what makes up the universe. The only reason we know it's there is because we can see and detect how it affects what we can see and detect. Dark matter they call it, dark energy, either way it's a whole huge realm of existence that we are totally cut off from. What's God say about that? Yeah, there IS a whole 'nother realm out there, one that we are indeed exiled from. Oh and by the way He wants His 10% back -
God tells us man's pollution will kill the planet in the end. Science tells us there's fire retardant in polar bear fat, and devastating climate change here now killing them off anyway -
So, what qualifies as proof? What are you willing to accept?
God says He spoke it all into being out of nothingness ... science tells us out of nothingness, kaboom there it was -
God says He took a single rib from the man to create the woman. Science tells us that a single missing gene in the male is all that differs between the male and female zygotes -
The world's top propeller heads say that we can't see or detect 90% of what makes up the universe. The only reason we know it's there is because we can see and detect how it affects what we can see and detect. Dark matter they call it, dark energy, either way it's a whole huge realm of existence that we are totally cut off from. What's God say about that? Yeah, there IS a whole 'nother realm out there, one that we are indeed exiled from. Oh and by the way He wants His 10% back -
God tells us man's pollution will kill the planet in the end. Science tells us there's fire retardant in polar bear fat, and devastating climate change here now killing them off anyway -
So, what qualifies as proof? What are you willing to accept?
Science and the idea of a god have neither proved or disproven each other... yet.
But just cuz neither have been disproven, you cant just assume that means they are both correct. That's just the easy way out.
And well, if a god knocks me face down with his presence... that would be pretty convincing.
Or if science actually manages to replicate on, a small scale, the way something can come into existance from nothing. Which would prove it does not take a god to do that.
Is either going to happen? Most likely not. Who knows, maybe science and the idea of a god are both wrong, and it was something else entirely.
Are we humans really so blind and arrogant to think we even have the faintest idea of what is really going on? I doubt any godly or scientific theory is very close to the real reasons behind existence. I think it feels like it should be more sinister than either make it out to be. Maybe im wrong but thats what i feel.
But just cuz neither have been disproven, you cant just assume that means they are both correct. That's just the easy way out.
And well, if a god knocks me face down with his presence... that would be pretty convincing.
Or if science actually manages to replicate on, a small scale, the way something can come into existance from nothing. Which would prove it does not take a god to do that.
Is either going to happen? Most likely not. Who knows, maybe science and the idea of a god are both wrong, and it was something else entirely.
Are we humans really so blind and arrogant to think we even have the faintest idea of what is really going on? I doubt any godly or scientific theory is very close to the real reasons behind existence. I think it feels like it should be more sinister than either make it out to be. Maybe im wrong but thats what i feel.
Oh it is very sinister, my friend. You take the uncertainty you feel, multiply it by a world full of people, then multiply that by how many years you think the world has been around... the conspiracy of blindness and arrogance that has been foisted upon our existence by the ruler of this world is a weapon of mass destruction the likes of which we've never seen. Yeah we're too stoopid to figure it out. That's why God figured it out for us. All we gotta do is be smart enough to trust Him. And I guarantee you He won't dissapoint.
Ah you mock that which you don't know. Maybe that way you dont havta think about how either one may be right.
I wish you well, you're not going to accept anything I'm going to say here, so I pray you find the answer you're looking for. Namely by praying you find the answer you asked for. "And well, if a god knocks me face down with his presence... that would be pretty convincing." You know, I'm with you on that one, that probably would be the best evidence and so that is what I will pray for you. Kinda makes me think of Saul, on the road to Damascus, ending up on his face before the Lord. Lord God may it be so with Arcynaculr, may Your presence come upon him and drive him to his knees before you. In Jesus Name may it be so.
I wish you well, you're not going to accept anything I'm going to say here, so I pray you find the answer you're looking for. Namely by praying you find the answer you asked for. "And well, if a god knocks me face down with his presence... that would be pretty convincing." You know, I'm with you on that one, that probably would be the best evidence and so that is what I will pray for you. Kinda makes me think of Saul, on the road to Damascus, ending up on his face before the Lord. Lord God may it be so with Arcynaculr, may Your presence come upon him and drive him to his knees before you. In Jesus Name may it be so.
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GOD created us so he would have something to show his love too, when the universe was created it was perfect but human beings are the ones that messed it all up, he created us so he could love us and for us to love him but he also gave us free will, we still have free will till this day. if someone goes to hell it's because they chose to not have faith and accept GOD and believe in what Jesus did for us. if we chose not to follow GOD and be separated from him while on the earth we chose to be eternally separated from him the after life
This is exciting stuff this whole conversation with you Arcynaculr in fact its support for my faith that this conversation exists. You said if this weren't all true it would break apart like any simple thing and its never going to, I mean This Faith and This God will always exist.
I'm glad you're asking questions Arcynaculr that is how I came to my conclusion that God is God. But I asked questions to The Bible not the people because even The Bible, The Holy Word of God says that Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, The thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
So forget what people say, ask God your questions if the people don't have the answers. Just as in all relationships communication is key, prayer is key, and so is study of His Word. It is why we believe because through prayer we receive that which we know to be true of God.
If you are truly interested in God then don't get tired of asking questions but make sure you don't stay in your comfort zone forever because that is important when you're trying to find an answer, making mistakes and trying new things.
I'll pray for that knocking you down on your feet thing and the bag of money you asked for
God bless you, in Christ Jesus.
I'm glad you're asking questions Arcynaculr that is how I came to my conclusion that God is God. But I asked questions to The Bible not the people because even The Bible, The Holy Word of God says that Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, The thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
So forget what people say, ask God your questions if the people don't have the answers. Just as in all relationships communication is key, prayer is key, and so is study of His Word. It is why we believe because through prayer we receive that which we know to be true of God.
If you are truly interested in God then don't get tired of asking questions but make sure you don't stay in your comfort zone forever because that is important when you're trying to find an answer, making mistakes and trying new things.
I'll pray for that knocking you down on your feet thing and the bag of money you asked for
God bless you, in Christ Jesus.
Ok, this is not something I wanted to hear when I first began seeking God. So I can tell by your stance on why God does things, you are not going to like it either. But I gotta tell it like it is. God created us for his own glory. Yep, thats not something us humans want to hear lol You can find verses to back this up all through the Bible. Ill give just a couple examples, one from the Old Testament and one from the New Testament:
Jeremiah 13:1 (KJV)
11 For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the Lord; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:”
There are so many examples I fear I havent choosen the best ones, but you should get where im coming from.
God is pure and Holy with no sin, he is the most person deserving of love/glory and it is only right that he love himself above everything. He deserve 1st place so its only right he take it.
Now, how in the world does that benefit us? Gifts often demonstrate the magnitude of the love one has. For an example, You need a heart. Your father gives you his heart so you can live. The magnitude of the gift demonstrated real love. So if God wanted to give to you, and demonstrate the greatest love toward you he could, what would he do? He would give you his greatest gift. That gift is HIMSELF. To show you who he is. Now the greatest judgement is for him to pull back and show you nothing. So all the glory he gets he gives by what he does for us. So the gift of his Son dying so that you can go to heaven and be as holy and spotless is a GREAT gift. And if you seek God you will be so thank for his gift in the end. Freedom is what everybody want right? We have more freedom than any other creation. Self destruction is a choice. It is important that you use your freedom to prove you want and desire to go to paradise.
Alot of what I said came from Paul Washers' sermon "The Christian Life part 3" All of this is about 30 minutes in. Although its best to listen to the entire sermon. I hope this helps.
Jeremiah 13:1 (KJV)
11 For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the Lord; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:”
There are so many examples I fear I havent choosen the best ones, but you should get where im coming from.
God is pure and Holy with no sin, he is the most person deserving of love/glory and it is only right that he love himself above everything. He deserve 1st place so its only right he take it.
Now, how in the world does that benefit us? Gifts often demonstrate the magnitude of the love one has. For an example, You need a heart. Your father gives you his heart so you can live. The magnitude of the gift demonstrated real love. So if God wanted to give to you, and demonstrate the greatest love toward you he could, what would he do? He would give you his greatest gift. That gift is HIMSELF. To show you who he is. Now the greatest judgement is for him to pull back and show you nothing. So all the glory he gets he gives by what he does for us. So the gift of his Son dying so that you can go to heaven and be as holy and spotless is a GREAT gift. And if you seek God you will be so thank for his gift in the end. Freedom is what everybody want right? We have more freedom than any other creation. Self destruction is a choice. It is important that you use your freedom to prove you want and desire to go to paradise.
Alot of what I said came from Paul Washers' sermon "The Christian Life part 3" All of this is about 30 minutes in. Although its best to listen to the entire sermon. I hope this helps.