Attack of the Judaizers

[Elin]

Would anyone care to comment on post #2256?

Exodus 34:28 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water.
And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

The "he" who wrote on the tablets of stone in Ex 34:28 is God, not Moses.

Deuteronomy 4:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Deuteronomy 10:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

God inscribed the Ten Commandments twice on tablets of stone, the second time to replace the ones Moses had broken when he came down from the Mount to find Israel worshipping a golden calf.

Deuteronomy is a recap and renewal (chp 29) with the new generation in Moab, of the covenant made with the previous generation at Horeb, who were then all deceased.

Dt 4:13, 9:22 are a recap of Ex 31:18, where God inscribes the commandments on tablets of stone.

Dt 10:4 is a recap of Ex 34:28, where God inscribes new stone tablets with the commandments.

Now this needs to be understood. Exodus 20 through 23 are directives that Moses wrote on the 3rd day of the 3rd month being Sivan. The "Ten Commandments" as we know them, are in what Moses wrote with his own hand on that same day.

The directives of Ex 20-23 which Moses wrote are the Book of the Covenant.

After they were written, God called him up to the mountain in Exodus 24:12. From that point, to the end of the chapter describes the first day that Moses went up to the mount to receive the tablets of stone 9 days later.

In the 3 scriptures that I posted, I looked into the original Hebrew and found the the "Ten Commandments" as defined actually read the "Ten Words" instead. These "Ten Words" are described as God handing out His testimony, the law and our responsibility according to the covenant.

So with that said, knowing that there will be extreme heartburn, the "Ten Commandments" as we know them are NOT written on stone, but rather by Moses.

The Ten commandments were both
written down by Moses in the Book of the Covenant (Ex 20:2-23:33), and

inscribed by God on stone tablets twice (Ex 31:18; Dt 10:4; cf Ex 34:1, 28).

 

[just-me]

The "he" who wrote on the tablets of stone in Ex 34:28 is God, not Moses.

וַיְהִי-שָׁם עִם-יְהוָה, אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם וְאַרְבָּעִים לַיְלָה--לֶחֶם לֹא אָכַל, וּמַיִם לֹא שָׁתָה; וַיִּכְתֹּב עַל-הַלֻּחֹת, אֵת דִּבְרֵי הַבְּרִית--עֲשֶׂרֶת, הַדְּבָרִים.
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Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten words.[HR][/HR]

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God inscribed the Ten Commandments twice on tablets of stone, the second time to replace the ones Moses had broken when he came down from the Mount to find Israel worshipping a golden calf.

Deuteronomy is a recap and renewal (chp 29) with the new generation in Moab, of the covenant made with the previous generation at Horeb, who were then all deceased.

Dt 4:13, 9:22 are a recap of Ex 31:18, where God inscribes the commandments on tablets of stone.

Dt 10:4 is a recap of Ex 34:28, where God inscribes new stone tablets with the commandments.

וַיַּגֵּד לָכֶם אֶת-בְּרִיתוֹ, אֲשֶׁר צִוָּה אֶתְכֶם לַעֲשׂוֹת--עֲשֶׂרֶת, הַדְּבָרִים; וַיִּכְתְּבֵם, עַל-שְׁנֵי לֻחוֹת אֲבָנִים.
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Deuteronomy 4:13 And He declared unto you His covenant, which He commanded you to perform, even the ten words; and He wrote them upon two tables of stone.

וּבְתַבְעֵרָה, וּבְמַסָּה, וּבְקִבְרֹת, הַתַּאֲוָה--מַקְצִפִים הֱיִיתֶם, אֶת-יְהוָה.
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Deuteronomy 9:22 And at Taberah, and at Massah, and at Kibroth-hattaavah, ye made the LORD wroth.

וַיִּתֵּן אֶל-מֹשֶׁה, כְּכַלֹּתוֹ לְדַבֵּר אִתּוֹ בְּהַר סִינַי, שְׁנֵי, לֻחֹת הָעֵדֻת--לֻחֹת אֶבֶן, כְּתֻבִים בְּאֶצְבַּע אֱלֹהִים.
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Exodus 31:18 And He gave unto Moses, when He had made an end of speaking with him upon mount Sinai, the two tables of the *testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

וַיִּכְתֹּב עַל-הַלֻּחֹת כַּמִּכְתָּב הָרִאשׁוֹן, אֵת עֲשֶׂרֶת הַדְּבָרִים, אֲשֶׁר דִּבֶּר יְהוָה אֲלֵיכֶם בָּהָר מִתּוֹךְ הָאֵשׁ, בְּיוֹם הַקָּהָל; וַיִּתְּנֵם יְהוָה, אֵלָי.
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Deuteronomy 10:4 And He wrote on the tables according to the first writing, the ten words, which the LORD spoke unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly; and the LORD gave them unto me.

וַיְהִי-שָׁם עִם-יְהוָה, אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם וְאַרְבָּעִים לַיְלָה--לֶחֶם לֹא אָכַל, וּמַיִם לֹא שָׁתָה; וַיִּכְתֹּב עַל-הַלֻּחֹת, אֵת דִּבְרֵי הַבְּרִית--עֲשֶׂרֶת, הַדְּבָרִים.
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Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the *words of the covenant, the ten words.

This was not the book, but the tables of stone.

The directives of Ex 20-23 which Moses wrote are the Book of the Covenant.

The Ten commandments were both
written down by Moses in the Book of the Covenant (Ex 20:2-23:33), and

inscribed by God on stone tablets twice (Ex 31:18; Dt 10:4; cf Ex 34:1, 28).

וַיֹּאמֶר יְהוָה אֶל-מֹשֶׁה, פְּסָל-לְךָ שְׁנֵי-לֻחֹת אֲבָנִים כָּרִאשֹׁנִים; וְכָתַבְתִּי, עַל-הַלֻּחֹת, אֶת-הַדְּבָרִים, אֲשֶׁר הָיוּ עַל-הַלֻּחֹת הָרִאשֹׁנִים אֲשֶׁר שִׁבַּרְתָּ.
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Exodus 34:1 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first; and I will write upon the tables the words that were on the first tables, which thou didst break.

and after what we know as the "Ten Commandments" (in Exodus 20:2-17) this is what happened before Moses was called to the mount to receive the tablets of stone.

וַיִּכְתֹּב מֹשֶׁה, אֵת כָּל-דִּבְרֵי יְהוָה, וַיַּשְׁכֵּם בַּבֹּקֶר, וַיִּבֶן מִזְבֵּחַ תַּחַת הָהָר; וּשְׁתֵּים עֶשְׂרֵה מַצֵּבָה, לִשְׁנֵים עָשָׂר שִׁבְטֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל.
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Exodus 24:4 And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the mount, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.

After writing down the in the book of the covenant (again before being called to the mount) this is what Moses did. and in both Exodus 24:3, and Exodus 24:7 the people agreed with the book of the covenant.

וַיִּקַּח סֵפֶר הַבְּרִית, וַיִּקְרָא בְּאָזְנֵי הָעָם; וַיֹּאמְרוּ, כֹּל אֲשֶׁר-דִּבֶּר יְהוָה נַעֲשֶׂה וְנִשְׁמָע.
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Exodus 24:7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the hearing of the people; and they said: 'All that the LORD hath spoken will we do, and obey.'

As mentioned before the "Ten Words" are the *testimony, law , and responsibility. And I agree that it is a covenant with Israel. (To the Jew first, and also to the Greek/Gentiles) It is a whole lot more than Exodus 20:2-17

Romans 1:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 2:9-10 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

Everything written on the tables of stone are in Exodus chapters 25 through 31, and everything Moses wrote in the book of the covenant are in Exodus chapters 20 through 23. Would anyone else care to comment on post #2256?

 

[Elin]

Everything written on the tables of stone are in Exodus chapters 25 through 31, and everything Moses wrote in the book of the covenant are in Exodus chapters 20 through 23.

Would anyone else care to comment on post #2256?

God did not write seven chps on, and Moses did not carry down from the mountain seven chaps of, stone.

 

[Hizikyah]

God did not write seven chps on, and Moses did not carry down from the mountain seven chaps of, stone.

Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."

Leviticus 11:43-44, "You shall not make yourselves abominable with any creature that moves about on the ground. Do not defile yourselves by means of them, nor be made unclean by them. I am Yahweh your Heavenly Father. You shall therefore consecrate and sanctify yourselves, and you shall be holy; for I am holy. Neither shall you defile yourselves with any creature that moves about on the ground."

Leviticus 11:43 2-3, "And Yahweh spoke to Mosheh and Aaron, saying to them: Speak to the children of Israyl, saying; These are the animals you may eat among all the beasts upon the land:"

 

[Hizikyah]

Yes, in his two commandments of Mt 22:37-39, on which hang all the law.

Love fulfills (performs) the law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13, 8, 9, 10; Gal 5:6).

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

Yahshua says these are the greatest Commandments, NOT THE ONLY! If that werent enough He clearly states all the Law hang on these 2.

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:

Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."

All as in even the ones he didn't list...

Try breaking Leviticus 19:17 and still be loving your neighbor according to Messiah.

And try breaking the 4th Commandment and still be loving Yahweh.

 

[vic1980]

Why is this thread still active ???

 

[TheAristocat]

Matthew 22:40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

This to me tells me that observing the Sabbath, not wearing clothes woven of wool and linen, not murdering, not stealing, ritual bathing, eating biblically kosher, etc. all depend upon the two laws of love. One of those laws talks about loving humans. The other law talks about loving God. How are we supposed to love God? By obeying the laws he gave us. That's why I think that the Law (i.e. the Torah with all its regulations) and the Prophets all depend on love. You need to love God and your neighbor in order to obey them properly. Even if one wanted to say that we shouldn't observe certain regulations in the Law anymore, wouldn't that be showing a diminished love of God then since you'd be choosing not to obey certain regulations that depend on one's love of God?

The "he" who wrote on the tablets of stone in Ex 34:28 is God, not Moses.

I think there were two copies of the entire Law, one written by God and one written by Moses. I could be wrong, but if you head on over to the Messianic Jewish Believers group you can find the discussion posted there.

You are confounding two texts of Scripture which are not related,
one is to the people of God regarding the coming indwelling of the Holy Spirit (Heb 8:10),
and the other is regarding the principle by which God judges the pagans (Ro 2:14-15).

Does the indwelling of the Holy Spirit put God's laws in our mind? I know some believe this, but I don't usually approve of Gnosticism. I think we have to acknowledge both parts of the passage - the one about our minds and the one about our hearts. And I think in light of that statement about God putting his laws in our minds and writing them on our hearts first being found in Jeremiah during Israel's and Judah's time of being sent into exile for disobeying the Torah, I think the context supports that Law as referring to Torah and not to a general feeling of love being put on our hearts. In fact I've never believed that the Law in the Old Testament or New was a general feeling of love. And it took being exposed to the doctrine of modern Christians for me to understand that they believed this.

This just means that our hearts know what love is, and what it is not.

And now our minds know what love is, too, because God put love on our minds? What about all those who don't believe in Christ? Do they not know what love is? Has there been no self-sacrificing, loving unbeliever in the history of the world? No, I think this is something different. And when the entirety of the proper faith supported the Law as referring to the Torah up until Jesus' time and Jesus continued to live by and teach the teachings of Torah, I think your best bet is that this Law in Jeremiah is the Torah.

Jesus states in Mt 22:37-39 that the law to which he is referring is the Ten Commandments, not the first five books of the Bible.

Where are you seeing this, Elin? I haven't found mention of the Ten Commandments in that passage. And the laws of love are not in the Ten Commandments, although the Ten Commandments certainly contain the principles of the laws of love. Every one of them. Even the Sabbath.

Ro 2:14-15 has absolutely nothing to do with the promise in Heb 8:10 of Jer 31:33 to God's people, to put his law in their minds and write it on their hearts.

You're right. And that was my point to show you that there must be a difference between the two since God has already written part of his Torah on the hearts of unbelievers. Don't believe me? Go back and look at the language of the passage again to see what the writing of the laws on one's heart implies.

Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

However they do have some similarities. The Law that God is writing on the hearts of unbelievers and on the hearts of his People are arguably the same Law. The only difference is that the Law was not put in the minds of unbelievers. They have a very limited form of it, because the only form of it they know is what their hearts tell them. But we both know that love is about more than what our heart tells us. We can be angry with someone but still love them. We just need to know how to love and have a heart for obedience to the regulations on love to love properly. And God has promised that he will give us those teachings, that Law, that Torah and put it in our minds so that we will know. By the way, what is the word for Law in Jeremiah 31:33? It is Torah. So how can we read this passage?

Jeremiah 31:33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my Torah in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

I hope you understand how I think of this a bit differently. What we need to know is what the Law written on our hearts is. And in my opinion it's the Torah, because that's what the Bible just says to me. Sorry, this is long.

 

[Hizikyah]

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WOW, great post! Patiently explained, and truly considering Scripture.

 

[john832]

Contradiction between the terms "loving" and "stealing."

Evidently the Holy Spirit has not written the law on his heart.

"Love" will not let him "steal."

It's not complicated.

Why don't you show some scripture that says that stealing is not loving? I know that I can...

Rom 13:9 For the commandments, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," "YOU SHALL NOT MURDER," "YOU SHALL NOT STEAL," "YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS," "YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

The eighth Commandments explains this. How about you show us that stealing is not loving your neighbor without resorting to the Law of God?

 

[john832]

Originally Posted by john832 Love is found in obedience to God's Law.

That's not what the NT states.Love fulfills the law (Ro 13: 8, 9, 10; Mt 22:40; Gal 5:6).In the NT, love is the cause of obedience, not the result of (found in) obedience.

OK, I guess you haven't read all of it. For your elightenment, enjoy...

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

 

[john832]

That's human reasoning talking, not the word of God nor the indwelling Holy Spirit talking.

Has the Holy Spirit written the law on your heart?
Then you know in your heart that loving God means obeying him.
And obeying him means obeying the law of Christ (1Co 9:21; Gal 6:2; Mt 22:37-39; Gal 5:6).
And the law of Christ is found in all the NT commands.

So those are what are to be studied and put in your mind.

Uh, would you care to expound on what Laws are to be written on our hearts? The scripture plainly says, but I would be interested in hearin gyour ideas.

 

[john832]

Exodus 34:28 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Deuteronomy 4:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Deuteronomy 10:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

Now this needs to be understood. Exodus 20 through 23 are directives that Moses wrote on the 3rd day of the 3rd month being Sivan. The "Ten Commandments" as we know them, are in what Moses wrote with his own hand on that same day. After they were written, God called him up to the mountain in Exodus 24:12. From that point, to the end of the chapter describes the first day that Moses went up to the mount to receive the tablets of stone 9 days later.

In the 3 scriptures that I posted, I looked into the original Hebrew and found the the "Ten Commandments" as defined actually read the "Ten Words" instead. These "Ten Words" are described as God handing out His testimony, the law and our responsibility according to the covenant.

So with that said, knowing that there will be extreme heartburn, the "Ten Commandments" as we know them are NOT written on stone, but rather by Moses. There is only one possible exception, and that would be that God was redundant in what was given in Exodus 20 through 23 during the 40 days Moses was on the mount.

Gotta question about that Moses writing the Ten Commandments thingy...

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deu 9:10 Then the LORD delivered to me two tablets of stone written with the finger of God, and on them were all the words which the LORD had spoken to you on the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

Now this was the first time and Moses broke those. What about the second set?

Exo 34:1 And the LORD said to Moses, "Cut two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I will write on these tablets the words that were on the first tablets which you broke.

 

[Elin]

Uh, would you care to expound on what Laws are to be written on our hearts? The scripture plainly says, but I would be interested in hearin gyour ideas.

The commands of Christ (Mt 22:37-39; 1Co 9:21; Gal 6:2) would cover it.

 

[john832]

The commands of Christ (Mt 22:37-39; 1Co 9:21; Gal 6:2) would cover it.

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Now with this passage in mind, what about Exodus 20? Or did Christ just simply say, "My bad, try these ones for a while, if they don't work, I'll come up with some different ones."?

 

[Elin]

Love is found in obedience to God's Law.

That's not what the NT states.

Love fulfills the law (Ro 13: 8, 9, 10; Mt 22:40; Gal 5:6).

In the NT, love is the cause of obedience, not the result of (found in) obedience.

OK, I guess you haven't read all of it. For your elightenment, enjoy...

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Thanks, and for your grammatical enlightenment. . .

In the grammatical construction of neither is love the result of obedience,

in the grammatical construction of both love is the cause of obedience.

 

[Elin]

Uh, would you care to expound on w
hat Laws are to be written on our hearts? The scripture plainly says, but I would be interested in hearin gyour ideas.

The commands of Christ (Mt 22:37-39; 1Co 9:21; Gal 6:2) would cover it.

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

This has no bearing on Mt 22:37-40.

 

[john832]

Thanks, and for your grammatical enlightenment. . .

In the grammatical construction of neither is love the result of obedience,

in the grammatical construction of both love is the cause of obedience.

2Pe 3:15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,
2Pe 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

***sigh***

 

[Elin]

Love is found in obedience to God's Law.

That's not what the NT states.

Love fulfills the law (Ro 13: 8, 9, 10; Mt 22:40; Gal 5:6).

In the NT, love is the cause of obedience, not the result of (found in) obedience.

OK, I guess you haven't read all of it. For your elightenment, enjoy...

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Thanks, and for your grammatical enlightenment. . .

In the grammatical construction of neither is love the result of obedience,

in the grammatical construction of both love is the cause of obedience.

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

This has no bearing on Mt 22:37-40.

2Pe 3:15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,
2Pe 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

This likewise has no bearing on Mt 22:37-40.

 

[john832]

This likewise has no bearing on Mt 22:37-40.

And ALL the Law hangs on these two? Then these two are supporting all the Law, not doing away with it.

Interestingly enough, I am and engineer by trade. I design things. If I hang a platform on a column, the platform is there and supported by the column.

Mat 22:35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying,
Mat 22:36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like it: 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Not sure what you do but I am sure you don't design structural elements. You would have us believe that hanging something on a column means it no longer exists.

If, by some strange turn of events, you do structural design, please list all of the locations of these. I don't want to be within range of the collateral damage.

 

[just-me]

Gotta question about that Moses writing the Ten Commandments thingy...

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deu 9:10 Then the LORD delivered to me two tablets of stone written with the finger of God, and on them were all the words which the LORD had spoken to you on the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

Now this was the first time and Moses broke those. What about the second set?

Exo 34:1 And the LORD said to Moses, "Cut two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I will write on these tablets the words that were on the first tablets which you broke.

I don't think that Moses told Israel what were on the stones the first time because he broke them. Nevertheless he had already spoken to Israel about what God had said on the 3rd day of the 3rd month in Exodus chapters 20 through 23, along with what most consider to be the "Ten Commandments." See Exodus 24:3-4 He spoke the words and then he wrote the words. Basically, Exodus 34:18-26 is a reaffirmation of Exodus chapters 12 and 13. I would have to do more study for a more precise comparison. sorry.

Exodus 32:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount.

I think that the second set of stones were like the first set, but not the Words from Exodus 20 through 23. Those words could not be broken physically for they were written on paper or parchment by Moses. Both stones were written by the figure of God.

I believe the second set was a duplicate of the first along with added words spoken in conversation with Moses proclaiming God's character of grace and mercy. i.e. "His Name."

Exodus 34:5-7 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

Then after the second set was written by God, Moses spoke to Israel about what was written and spoken to him by God.

Exodus 34:31-32 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And Moses called unto them; and Aaron and all the rulers of the congregation returned unto him: and Moses talked with them.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And afterward all the children of Israel came nigh: and he gave them in commandment all that the LORD had spoken with him in mount Sinai.

Exodus 35:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]And Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said unto them, These are the words which the LORD hath commanded, that ye should do them.