Hell? Does it exist?

[reject-tech]

Hell is the grave and everyone gets a resurrection before a judgment.
Lake of fire is a final correction but has been merged into the word "hell" by false doctrine.

Concepts of having the soul punished or destroyed or doomed for all time after death were addressed by Jesus when He reminded people that their sins are forgiven, without them asking for it.

It was a separate issue from His dialogues that use "hell" language, which are directed at people who think God is of unsavory character.

 

[dcontroversal]

Think for a minute. The first missionaries (Europeans) did not reach China, Africa, and other far away places until fairly recent in church history. Prior to that, hundreds of millions of these heathen people were born, lived and died. They did so outside of God's covenants and plan of salvation. These people had no knowledge of scripture and could not therefore, by any stretch of imagination, have been "saved." Are they, as immortal soul teaching requires, screaming and writhing in pain for hundreds and thousands of years now. Does a loving merciful God torture and burn alive hundreds of millions of young and old because they did not have an opportunity to hear and obey Him? The answer, thank God, is no, for as Paul said, "...sin is not imputed were there is no law" (Rom. 5:13).

To teach then that the dead are not really dead, and that God has sentenced them to an eternity of torture in fire is not only a contradiction of the Word of God, but a theological perversion of the worst sort.

No... I believe children are safe under the blood until they reach the (age) of accountability and also believe that people who are mentally incapable of a cognitive decision are safe under the blood as well. As far as the rest the bible teaches the following...

1. Day unto day uttereth speech and night unto night setteth forth knowledge--->no language where their voice is not heard
2. The invisible things of God point to the power of God, the Godhead and eternal judgment so that they are without excuse
3. The (natural) morality of said nations becomes the law of God unto them and testifies to a higher power
4. God visits the iniquity of the fathers unto the third and fourth generation
6. The lost are a product of the lost and their lost state is the result of being found in a false religion
7. God is merciful and the suffering of each individual will be according to their works

With all due respect you are the one who is (ignorant) of the word and all bases that it covers and it is you that is (wresting) the scriptures to your own demise.

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

there is a lot of borwn noise about hell

Dont worry about it
just fall in love with Jesus and you will see that you will not end up there
I will say
they do not burn forever though..
but soon the universe will be clean happy and joyful and the wicked who Jesus cried over will be as if they never existed....

 

[dcontroversal]

Jesus has given them the Holy Spirit to teach them to how to understand the spiritual meaning (discernment) of the word of God. Back then, they were told to keep the word of God with them at all times in their minds and in their heart, but instead they tied boxes with scrolls on their foreheads and tied them around their arms and chest. God had waited patiently for them to mature, but they didn't. So God has to do what He must do, but His weak spot that He had for the people has stepped in and had taken over. Now God let His weak spot to reign over His soul, and that is why we all have to do what He has given us.

Matthew 13:15
For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’
Luke 23:34
Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
Luke 17:4
Even if they sin against you seven times in a day and seven times come back to you saying ‘I repent,’ you must forgive them.”

Philippians 3:15
All of us, then, who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.

Romans 5:3
Not only so, but we also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance;
James 1:4
Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.

He also said that there was many things that he needed to teach them, but they were not yet ABLE TO BEAR IT....Like 23 books of the N.T. and ALL THE THEOLOGY FOUND THEREIN.

 

[ClaudiaT]

Yes there is a Hell. But it does not exist as this moment. No one is in Hell yet, and no one is in Heave yet either. The wicked will burn in Hell for a certain amount of time, some longer than others, according to their deeds and the light that they have had. Then the fire will go out. That's why it is called the SECOND DEATH in the Book of Revelation.

And contrary to popular opinion, Satan is NOT on the payroll in Hell, he won't be there sticking people with a pitchfork throughout Eternity. He will also be burned up in Hell.

Here is a video on the subject:

Hell - Lake of Fire - YouTube

 

[ClaudiaT]

I meant to say "Heaven" .... not "Heave" They don't give you much time at all to edit a post.

By the way, that's why Jesus said not to fear man, but je would can DESTROY both body and soul in hell.

 

[john832]

I meant to say "Heaven" .... not "Heave" They don't give you much time at all to edit a post.

By the way, that's why Jesus said not to fear man, but je would can DESTROY both body and soul in hell.

ClaudiaT, you seem to understand much truth.

 

[ClaudiaT]

ClaudiaT, you seem to understand much truth.

Thanks John, its just because I read a lot of the Spirit of Prophecy Writings, so the Holy Spirit puts it all together for me, in my mind, I think.

 

[starfield]

Yes there is a Hell. But it does not exist as this moment. No one is in Hell yet, and no one is in Heave yet either. The wicked will burn in Hell for a certain amount of time, some longer than others, according to their deeds and the light that they have had. Then the fire will go out. That's why it is called the SECOND DEATH in the Book of Revelation.

Mark 9:43-48
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Jesus wouldn't give us such warning if hell is merely a temporary place. You obviously don't believe the bible. OP, please don't listen to these false teachers who deny the reality of hell.

And contrary to popular opinion, Satan is NOT on the payroll in Hell, he won't be there sticking people with a pitchfork throughout Eternity. He will also be burned up in Hell.

Satan will not be annihilated. He will be tormented ad infinitum...

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[starfield]

Thanks John, its just because I read a lot of the Spirit of Prophecy Writings, so the Holy Spirit puts it all together for me, in my mind, I think.

Your message is not from the Holy Spirit. God does not contradict Himself. Scripture is clear that hell is real and the eternal destiny of unrepentant sinners.

 

[danschance]

Jesus spoke more on hell the He did about Heaven and 2/3rds of the times He mentioned hell he also mentioned fire. If it were not real, I think He would said that.

 

[4enlightment]

Yes there is a Hell. But it does not exist as this moment. No one is in Hell yet, and no one is in Heave yet either. The wicked will burn in Hell for a certain amount of time, some longer than others, according to their deeds and the light that they have had. Then the fire will go out. That's why it is called the SECOND DEATH in the Book of Revelation.

And contrary to popular opinion, Satan is NOT on the payroll in Hell, he won't be there sticking people with a pitchfork throughout Eternity. He will also be burned up in Hell.

Here is a video on the subject:

Hell - Lake of Fire - YouTube

The first coming of the Lord that I believe, He has came for the Holy ones that were in the graves and has taken them with Him, and that is why in the story of Lazarus and the Rich man (The description of the Rich man is of the type of clothing that the Sadducees and or the king has worn in them times.) and which the Rich man was in hell, while life is still going on the earth. God wouldn't lead him astray by letting him think that life is still going on the earth while it is finished. Jesus has also said that the holy ones waited to hear what the people has heard, and that is that God is granting mercy on those that has begged for mercy while they were on the earth. I guess Jesus has went down to them to tell them the Good news. And now the Rich man is hoping for His second coming, to see if he has came off a good tree, because a good tree only produces good fruit.

Mark 6:20
because Herod feared John and protected him, knowing him to be a righteous and holy man. When Herod heard John, he was greatly puzzled; yet he liked to listen to him.

John 5:25
Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live.

Luke 11:32
The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and now something greater than Jonah is here.

Matthew 13:17
For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

Matthew 27:52
and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.

Matthew 12:41
The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here.

Mark 15:17
They put a purple robe on him, then twisted together a crown of thorns and set it on him.

Luke 16:19
“There was a rich man. who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.

 

[ClaudiaT]

Your message is not from the Holy Spirit. God does not contradict Himself. Scripture is clear that hell is real and the eternal destiny of unrepentant sinners.

If course Hellfire is real. I never said it wasn't. But it is NOT eternal. That lie came from the Roman Catholic Church, who got it from the Pagan Greeks.

There is a REASON why Jesus said, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not burn forever and ever throughout the ceaseless ages of eternity, but have eternal life."

NO WAIT! The Bible does NOT say that after all! Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not PERISH, but have eternal life."

You only have got TWO choices. To live forever, or to perish. The wicked do NOT have Eternal Life. That's why Malachi said the wicked would be ASHES under our feet.

That's why Jesus said fear not man who can destroy your body, but fear God who can destroy both body AND soul in Hell".

This doctrine is all throughout the Scriptures.

It is called the SECOND DEATH in Revelation. That's why the Jews called it dying 'THE DEATH'.

Matthew 15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

This idea that people burn forever and ever in Hell is a relatively new idea. Its a false Pagan doctrine that made its way into the Christian Church.

REad up on the history of this... http://www.helltruth.com/history/ancient-beliefs.aspx

Does Hell Burn Forever? | Hell Truth

It all comes from the first lie told to Mankind in the Garden of Eden, that "ye shall not surely die". The doctrine of the Natural Immortality of the Soul. The teaching that the dead are not really dead. So the wicked have their souls living on throughout Eternity, which is a LIE.

God is not going to punish the wicked throughout Eternity for sins that they did in the span of 70 years of their life. That's the Devil trying to convince everyone that God is a CRUEL MONSTER just like he himself actually is.

2Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


Once again, PERISH. Not burn forever in Hell. The Bible says Jonah was in the belly of the whale for ever. But then it says he was there for 3 days. People need to understand Bible terminology. Sometimes forever means until someone ceases to exist.

The wages of sin is? _____ what? DEATH.

Matthew 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

BURN UP with unquenchable fire. That just means no man can put out the fire. But the wicked tares will be BURNED UP.

This idea is all over the Bible, my friends.

Ezekiel 18:32, "For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye."
John 3:36, "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."


Genesis 3:4, "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:"

The devil has been saying for 6000 years that WE WON'T DIE! This life in fire doctrine is no different than the serpent in the tree. BOTH are openly declaring the Lord a liar!

2 Thessalonians 1:8,9
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

The result of the FIRE is and EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION. The wages of sin is DEATH not life eternal in hell fire! Life in hell fire would mean we have a mean and very angry God who enjoys the screams of billions of people for all eternity. This is the devil's plan to get you to believe this is the character of God. The devil NEEDS you to look at God in this way!

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Do you see the word everlasting PUNISH-MENT being used here by Jesus Himself to explain the fate of the wicked? If Jesus meant eternal punishING don't you think He would have said that? The Bible never counterdicts itself. Jesus meant what He said. The "wages of sin is death" Death is PERMANENT. Punish-ING is an "ongoing" process. This is not what Jesus said.

Malachi 4:1,3
For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do [this], saith the LORD of hosts.

What day is this? When will this occur?

Revelation 20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.


Jesus speaks of an "eternal /everlasting fire" for the devil and his angels? Now, look to this verse...

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Look across the Earth. KEEP looking... I can wait.......... are ya done looking? Is Sodom and Gomorrha STILL burning today in the Holy land? No it is NOT . But as far as the residents of Sodom and Gomorrha were concerned the fire that burned them to death WAS eternal.

Isaiah 47:14
Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: [there shall] not [be] a coal to warm at, [nor] fire to sit before it.

Jeremiah prophesied that Jerusalem would burn with a fire that could not be quenched in any way possible.

Jeremiah 17:27
But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched.

So... does this mean Jerusalem is STILL burning today because the fire is unquenchable?

2Chronicals 36:19
And they burnt the house of God, and brake down the wall of Jerusalem, and burnt all the palaces thereof with fire, and destroyed all the goodly vessels thereof.

Jerusalem burned to ashes people... It is NOT burning today.

I could literally go on all night about this subject. But I wont.

 

[nathan3]

I'm just going to comment about the things i agree with you on ClaudiaT.

ClaudiaT you posted verses that aline with what the second death is.

The confusion for too many comes in with what they have been taught or not about , figures of speech .
Like everlasting destruction.


Instead of following the scriptures , and read it as a destruction, that there is no return from.

Instead people see it as what they have been taught for a very long time, that means eternal suffering.

There are more scriptures that are more descriptive and appear that there is eternal suffering, but thats only if we were to ignore some of the scriptures ClaudiaT posted.


When we take in all the Bible has to teach about this, you'll see the lake of fire causes the death of the soul, the second death
( Revelation 20:14 )


You have other scripture that you can reference, that use the term "blotting out " .



Luke 10:20

King James Version (KJV)

20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. (note Ephesians 1:3-6 )


Revelation 13:8

King James Version (KJV)

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.



Revelation 17:8

King James Version (KJV)

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


Deuteronomy 32:31-33

King James Version (KJV)

31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.

32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:

33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.





Psalm 69:26-28

King James Version (KJV)

26 For they persecute him whom thou hast smitten; and they talk to the grief of those whom thou hast wounded.

27 Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness.

28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.



Exodus 32:32

King James Version (KJV)

32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.





Revelation 3:5

King James Version (KJV)

5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.




Paul even mentioned the soul, when he brought in that subject in 1 Cor 15. At the end, how the soul can also be mortal, or immortal through victory in Christ.


The mortal state of the soul he mentions near the end of the chapter around verse 45 - , " mortal " in greek means liable to die "
Die where , when ? At the very end, at the great white throne judgment, at the end of the Lord's Day. Rev 20 .

 

[kennethcadwell]

I do believe the non-believers and those who are deceived by the Devil will be burned up completely, but Revelations 20:10 does say that the Devil, anti-christ, and false prophet will burn forever and ever.

 

[oldernotwiser]

well, i believe in hell, the church teaches it and the bible teaches it but i doubt that there are nearly as many souls there as we often seem to think

 

[Kerry]

well, i believe in hell, the church teaches it and the bible teaches it but i doubt that there are nearly as many souls there as we often seem to think

There are more people there than you think. Think of it a baby is born every second and every two seconds a person dies.

 

[oldernotwiser]

i will have to leave it at this. if god condemns those who have never heard the gospel, and have never had the opportunity to follow one of the cliche paths to salvation, then either god is not good (and i certainly believe he is not only good but the source of all goodness) or "good" has a meaning that i dont understand. i have been in too many hard calvinist churches here in china and listened to that sort of thing too many times. its simple ..... god doesnt burn babies ..... thats moloch. i leave it with the answer i give to chinese when they bring that up. its not my decision, im labor, thats a management decision. my problem is loving the unloved, and serving the weak and poor.

 

[Historicist]

No... I believe children are safe under the blood until they reach the (age) of accountability and also believe that people who are mentally incapable of a cognitive decision are safe under the blood as well. As far as the rest the bible teaches the following...

1. Day unto day uttereth speech and night unto night setteth forth knowledge--->no language where their voice is not heard
2. The invisible things of God point to the power of God, the Godhead and eternal judgment so that they are without excuse
3. The (natural) morality of said nations becomes the law of God unto them and testifies to a higher power
4. God visits the iniquity of the fathers unto the third and fourth generation
6. The lost are a product of the lost and their lost state is the result of being found in a false religion
7. God is merciful and the suffering of each individual will be according to their works

With all due respect you are the one who is (ignorant) of the word and all bases that it covers and it is you that is (wresting) the scriptures to your own demise.

Again, your response is dogmatic, does not contain one verse of scripture. You believe this pagan immortal soul doctrine---because you want to. You have no problem, it seems, with hundreds of millions of people being tortured and burned alive if it means you---"go-to-heaven" (a phrase not in the Bible).

 

[kennethcadwell]

i will have to leave it at this. if god condemns those who have never heard the gospel, and have never had the opportunity to follow one of the cliche paths to salvation, then either god is not good (and i certainly believe he is not only good but the source of all goodness) or "good" has a meaning that i dont understand. i have been in too many hard calvinist churches here in china and listened to that sort of thing too many times. its simple ..... god doesnt burn babies ..... thats moloch. i leave it with the answer i give to chinese when they bring that up. its not my decision, im labor, thats a management decision. my problem is loving the unloved, and serving the weak and poor.

God does not condemn those who have never heard the gospel. In the scriptures it talks about how our Lord after being crucified descended before he ascended. That reason was so He could share the word of salvation to those who have already passed and didn't have the chance to know Him. Don't you think that those who have passed since than and not heard would get the same fair treatment. Plus our Lord promised His second coming would not take place tell after the good news had been spread to the whole world. He will give every one a chance to accept His salvation.