Woman should not teach or assume authority over men (applies to secular????)

[homwardbound]

Listen to how silly you sound, phil ??????? God did not put any 10 commandments on person going to death for bcoming a woman pastor or for those who want to believe in the 'Law of Christ' for following Him in their lives as the Holy Spirit leads.

And, if they get it wrong ? That is , they get that they are a woman and that the road's a little rougher than a thought following God's will being a pastor.

What? Did God go and say 'He would LEAVE US and FORSAKE US, phil?

Again, WHO stopped and made you God ? God can do whatever He wants and even IF a woman makes a non-biblical choice to become a pastor--and, I've proven that 1 Tim. 2:11-12 says they are to BE QUIET when listening to 'a man' speak, it has NOTHING to do with women becoming pastors in Paul's eyes,they are just to SUBMIT when be being spoken to --THEN , God is STILL going to provide for them and use them and He has. Look out there at churches across the country. 100s of women are pastors of churches, and, even MORE Sunday school teachers, I can only imagine who are pastoring men. And, God is in control and He is using them all, to His glory, as they have FELT led in their life to follow Him .

OK, so a "bishop" or 'overseer" or, pastor is to be 'husband of one wife.' That's ALL Paul says about that, Paul does not go on to say that a woman will burn in hell for having become a pastor. God CAN and does use women to pastor and that was an extreme example right there because you don't seem to grasp any other conversation I've given, and, so, one more time, I AM teaching you from Him and asking you again, too: Do NOT play God, do not THINK you can out-think God on what gender can ONLY be deemed worthy of being pastor....

Women CAN be pastor too, when they are CALLED

God is no respecter of persons, but man is
And the fight goes on:
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

 

[homwardbound]

Non-eternal issue? May I remind you that twisting scripture IS an eternal issue. God gave us His truth, which you seem to think it is no big deal to,(to be kind) mis-interpret. You need to spend a lot more time on understanding judgement as God has directed us to do. It is all in His word, and it is all real.

I just Love you in response to God through Son Christ who loved me first and forgave me all sin forever
Romans 3:25 whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
1 John 2:2 and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

IN God's sight there is no:
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And I am not against how you believe, we all have free will choice

 

[jkalyna]

I do not agree with women preachers. Period. As we are free to express our opinions, so I will also. A women has monthly cyle issues, that could cause a lot of tension, some phycosis, some weakness's. Some all kinds of physical conditions. Ever wonder why someones yelling and trying to start a fight with you, well now you know, it's either that or the fruits of the spirit have been trashed. God intended Man as being masculine. The bible says, one should rule his house well, to be a leader or preacher in the church. Today it is the women and women and no one knows who is the one who is under the authority of Christ. This is confusion. Things are said about women to be silent in the churches, Though women were used, and Mary the mother of Jesus for one, but she was behind the scenes all the time, knowing her place as mother, Jesus called her nothing more than women at the wedding. Leadership in the church is a calling , a someone who says, I have cramps today, and oh gotta go and preach, isn't the flesh getting into this. We are the weaker vessel, there were reasons this was said. Queen Ester married a King, where her only place was to pray in sackcloth, for her people, and for the Lord to minister to her husbands heart. Women preachers, now gay teachers, and things are getting out of order, and causeing much confusion. God is not the author of confusion, but order. The women preacher I've know on the tv have all fell into adulterous affairs, with the other preachers on TV. When you pray with someone it is more personal than a sexual thing, it is the uniting of the souls, and spirit together. It is extremely intimate, something a man and husband should be doing together. WE as women could minister all day, all the time, in prayer, this is a ministry, and it is heard by the Lord, and goes forth, to the soul and spirit of those that are being prayed over, even unto the cutting asunder of the soul an spirit. People's words, sometimes are not effective, and it goes in one way, and goes out the other way. If any one women would of been put in a place of authority, it would of been Mary the mother of Jesus, but she did neither teach, preach, nor any other much mention of her was made. Therefore I stand with the word, and am not changing. Either your with it, agree or not. It's not an issue of judging others, they could do what they want, I just don't agree with it. The bible seems to be changing in the way things should be done, there's a church by a former hooker, that's called something like welcome to the porn church, and they party there, and dance, and it is run by a women. What's next. lets get our legs shaved sitting in the pews before church starts, sorry not going for it.

 

[jkalyna]

The 12 diciples and the 12 tribes were all men, none of them were women, the Lord said unto them go ye out by 2's into the world. There were no women at athe Last supper,, neither a women is named of the 12 son's of Jacob, tribes. We though are very important, that God himself chose a women to give birth to his son. He also said, husbands love your wifes, even as Christ loves the church and gave himself for her. God could of caused Jesus to born another way, to be found in the thicket of the bush, like the lamb, for abraham, or like Moses in the basket. God could of sent his angel to some one even Mary and Joseph and said, go there and you will find a baby wrapped in linen cloth, call him Jesus, but he chose us a women to give life, and nourish love and carry life within us, this is an explainable thing. So we are important but in the feminine way, the Pastor of a church should be fasting and praying. I know pastors who fast every day, wake up at 4. am and pray for their church. How could a women do this, what about the kids, the family, then the fasting during pregnancy, or becomeing weak and anemic. It dosn't work as a women, their is no victory if the pastor dosn't weekly pray and fast, or daily. What about the stress of going to places, what about the children, be real the way the bible said it, this is the right way. We have a ministry to minister to our children, our families, our friends, others. The list could go on, what about the shopping and cooking the phone calls from the church, getting a maid, and dropping the act of really being a homemaker, the bible says, let the younger marry, be keepers of house, and be a joyfull mother, not be a pastor.

 

[Misty77]

I do not agree with women preachers. Period. As we are free to express our opinions, so I will also. A women has monthly cyle issues, that could cause a lot of tension, some phycosis, some weakness's. Some all kinds of physical conditions. Ever wonder why someones yelling and trying to start a fight with you, well now you know, it's either that or the fruits of the spirit have been trashed. God intended Man as being masculine. The bible says, one should rule his house well, to be a leader or preacher in the church. Today it is the women and women and no one knows who is the one who is under the authority of Christ. This is confusion. Things are said about women to be silent in the churches, Though women were used, and Mary the mother of Jesus for one, but she was behind the scenes all the time, knowing her place as mother, Jesus called her nothing more than women at the wedding. Leadership in the church is a calling , a someone who says, I have cramps today, and oh gotta go and preach, isn't the flesh getting into this. We are the weaker vessel, there were reasons this was said. Queen Ester married a King, where her only place was to pray in sackcloth, for her people, and for the Lord to minister to her husbands heart. Women preachers, now gay teachers, and things are getting out of order, and causeing much confusion. God is not the author of confusion, but order. The women preacher I've know on the tv have all fell into adulterous affairs, with the other preachers on TV. When you pray with someone it is more personal than a sexual thing, it is the uniting of the souls, and spirit together. It is extremely intimate, something a man and husband should be doing together. WE as women could minister all day, all the time, in prayer, this is a ministry, and it is heard by the Lord, and goes forth, to the soul and spirit of those that are being prayed over, even unto the cutting asunder of the soul an spirit. People's words, sometimes are not effective, and it goes in one way, and goes out the other way. If any one women would of been put in a place of authority, it would of been Mary the mother of Jesus, but she did neither teach, preach, nor any other much mention of her was made. Therefore I stand with the word, and am not changing. Either your with it, agree or not. It's not an issue of judging others, they could do what they want, I just don't agree with it. The bible seems to be changing in the way things should be done, there's a church by a former hooker, that's called something like welcome to the porn church, and they party there, and dance, and it is run by a women. What's next. lets get our legs shaved sitting in the pews before church starts, sorry not going for it.

Just because women in general can teach, doesn't mean that all of us should. (case in point ^^)

 

[GreenNnice]

I do not agree with women preachers. Period. As we are free to express our opinions, so I will also. A women has monthly cyle issues, that could cause a lot of tension, some phycosis, some weakness's. Some all kinds of physical conditions. Ever wonder why someones yelling and trying to start a fight with you, well now you know, it's either that or the fruits of the spirit have been trashed. God intended Man as being masculine. The bible says, one should rule his house well, to be a leader or preacher in the church. Today it is the women and women and no one knows who is the one who is under the authority of Christ. This is confusion. Things are said about women to be silent in the churches, Though women were used, and Mary the mother of Jesus for one, but she was behind the scenes all the time, knowing her place as mother, Jesus called her nothing more than women at the wedding. Leadership in the church is a calling , a someone who says, I have cramps today, and oh gotta go and preach, isn't the flesh getting into this. We are the weaker vessel, there were reasons this was said. Queen Ester married a King, where her only place was to pray in sackcloth, for her people, and for the Lord to minister to her husbands heart. Women preachers, now gay teachers, and things are getting out of order, and causeing much confusion. God is not the author of confusion, but order. The women preacher I've know on the tv have all fell into adulterous affairs, with the other preachers on TV. When you pray with someone it is more personal than a sexual thing, it is the uniting of the souls, and spirit together. It is extremely intimate, something a man and husband should be doing together. WE as women could minister all day, all the time, in prayer, this is a ministry, and it is heard by the Lord, and goes forth, to the soul and spirit of those that are being prayed over, even unto the cutting asunder of the soul an spirit. People's words, sometimes are not effective, and it goes in one way, and goes out the other way. If any one women would of been put in a place of authority, it would of been Mary the mother of Jesus, but she did neither teach, preach, nor any other much mention of her was made. Therefore I stand with the word, and am not changing. Either your with it, agree or not. It's not an issue of judging others, they could do what they want, I just don't agree with it. The bible seems to be changing in the way things should be done, there's a church by a former hooker, that's called something like welcome to the porn church, and they party there, and dance, and it is run by a women. What's next. lets get our legs shaved sitting in the pews before church starts, sorry not going for it.

Despite what the bible conveys, and, yes, men are FIRST in the order for preaching and teaching, JK, as Paul makes this clear in 1 Tim. 3 . However, they are NOT the only choice. God can call a woman to pastor a church and produce good fruit, but, your point is agreeable, with me, anyway, in many respects, it's well said and logically correct that women are child-bearers more than preachers and teachers

 

[phil112]

I do not agree with women preachers. Period..............God intended Man as being masculine. The bible says, one should rule his house well, to be a leader or preacher in the church. Today it is the women and women and no one knows who is the one who is under the authority of Christ. This is confusion. ................. We are the weaker vessel, there were reasons this was said. .............Women preachers, now gay teachers, and things are getting out of order, and causeing much confusion. God is not the author of confusion, but order. The women preacher I've know on the tv have all fell into adulterous affairs, with the other preachers on TV. When you pray with someone it is more personal than a sexual thing, it is the uniting of the souls, and spirit together. It is extremely intimate, something a man and husband should be doing together. WE as women could minister all day, all the time, in prayer, this is a ministry, and it is heard by the Lord, and goes forth, to the soul and spirit of those that are being prayed over, even unto the cutting asunder of the soul an spirit. People's words, sometimes are not effective, and it goes in one way, and goes out the other way. If any one women would of been put in a place of authority, it would of been Mary the mother of Jesus, but she did neither teach, preach, nor any other much mention of her was made. Therefore I stand with the word, and am not changing. Either your with it, agree or not. ............

Now, jkalyna, you won't be getting christmas card from saint greennnice for saying things like that.

 

[GreenNnice]

Now, jkalyna, you won't be getting christmas card from saint greennnice for saying things like that.

JK can have a Christmas card, anytime, there's nothing wrong with her understanding of women teaching and preaching

 

[homwardbound]

I do not agree with women preachers. Period. As we are free to express our opinions, so I will also. A women has monthly cyle issues, that could cause a lot of tension, some phycosis, some weakness's. Some all kinds of physical conditions. Ever wonder why someones yelling and trying to start a fight with you, well now you know, it's either that or the fruits of the spirit have been trashed. God intended Man as being masculine. The bible says, one should rule his house well, to be a leader or preacher in the church. Today it is the women and women and no one knows who is the one who is under the authority of Christ. This is confusion. Things are said about women to be silent in the churches, Though women were used, and Mary the mother of Jesus for one, but she was behind the scenes all the time, knowing her place as mother, Jesus called her nothing more than women at the wedding. Leadership in the church is a calling , a someone who says, I have cramps today, and oh gotta go and preach, isn't the flesh getting into this. We are the weaker vessel, there were reasons this was said. Queen Ester married a King, where her only place was to pray in sackcloth, for her people, and for the Lord to minister to her husbands heart. Women preachers, now gay teachers, and things are getting out of order, and causeing much confusion. God is not the author of confusion, but order. The women preacher I've know on the tv have all fell into adulterous affairs, with the other preachers on TV. When you pray with someone it is more personal than a sexual thing, it is the uniting of the souls, and spirit together. It is extremely intimate, something a man and husband should be doing together. WE as women could minister all day, all the time, in prayer, this is a ministry, and it is heard by the Lord, and goes forth, to the soul and spirit of those that are being prayed over, even unto the cutting asunder of the soul an spirit. People's words, sometimes are not effective, and it goes in one way, and goes out the other way. If any one women would of been put in a place of authority, it would of been Mary the mother of Jesus, but she did neither teach, preach, nor any other much mention of her was made. Therefore I stand with the word, and am not changing. Either your with it, agree or not. It's not an issue of judging others, they could do what they want, I just don't agree with it. The bible seems to be changing in the way things should be done, there's a church by a former hooker, that's called something like welcome to the porn church, and they party there, and dance, and it is run by a women. What's next. lets get our legs shaved sitting in the pews before church starts, sorry not going for it.

Yet God can and does use whoever God wants does God not. I agree and disagree at the same time agree with the angle you are speaking from
Is that Church the Corinthian Church which di dthe same as what you just said and is why Paul wrote them, because they did not underswtand this forgiveness and tok it for granted and did whatever they wanted without love for their neighbor. Which is still going on to this day, taking God's grace for granted and using Christ's sacrifice as scape goat to get away with sin.
You have good insight Sister, yet

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Acts 2:18 and on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

And after born again are we to worship in flesh or Spirit of truth God?
And when one does worship in Spirit is there flesh, a man and a woman, or does God only see the soul that is saved?
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

I personally reckon me dead to flesh at Christ death in the flesh and am no longer male, I am now Spirit one with God made alive from Father by the resurrected Christ here and now, worshiping Father the only way Father can be worshiped today
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

 

[Calmador]

And this takes Love to be not condemning and or forcing this order and all love as God does and did through Christ

You do understand that Love isn't the only thing God is concerned about right? You do understand that we have a God of Truth and Justice as-well... and in the Truth that God has revealed to us... men are heads of families. This isn't condemnation.

 

[homwardbound]

You do understand that Love isn't the only thing God is concerned about right? You do understand that we have a God of Truth and Justice as-well... and in the Truth that God has revealed to us... men are heads of families. This isn't condemnation.

Yes more so concerned with ones response to God's unfathomable love that no flesh can comprehend and in need of new life given in the Spirit via the resurrection for here and now, today God can only be worshiped in Spirit and truth John 4:23-24
If it comes out in God's type of love God's way as in 1 Cor 13:4-13 yes I agree, if not I rebuke it as I am sure God does as well. For he came to give us life in the Spirit of God abundantly, and we thus love because God first loved us in response not in creating, as what flesh tries to do, and just can't be perfect at
Thanks for the post

 

[Calmador]

Yes more so concerned with ones response to God's unfathomable love that no flesh can comprehend and in need of new life given in the Spirit via the resurrection for here and now, today God can only be worshiped in Spirit and truth John 4:23-24
If it comes out in God's type of love God's way as in 1 Cor 13:4-13 yes I agree, if not I rebuke it as I am sure God does as well. For he came to give us life in the Spirit of God abundantly, and we thus love because God first loved us in response not in creating, as what flesh tries to do, and just can't be perfect at
Thanks for the post

God loved us enough to tell us that men are to be the leaders.

 

[homwardbound]

God loved us enough to tell us that men are to be the leaders.

Not if taken for granted:
Hebrews 2:3 how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

Used for an occasion for the flesh,
Galatians 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

 

[homwardbound]

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

How deep did, does Christ love you, is in retrospect of how deep one will love his wife, and all people or lord it over wifes as is done in the flesh much and is why things are in a mess

 

[homwardbound]

Are you married and do you cherish your wife as God cherished you so much that:
Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

Maybe time to respond rather that play Lord and Master, maybe?

 

[Calmador]

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

How deep did, does Christ love you, is in retrospect of how deep one will love his wife, and all people or lord it over wifes as is done in the flesh much and is why things are in a mess

Jesus said, "If you love me then you'll obey me."

There's more to love than you think. There's these other concepts that are very clear in the Bible... that are meant to serve us. Its called the Law and there is something to learn about it. God said that its good for teaching. And the one thing you should learn is that when we hear God's word, if we love God, we will obey him. Men are meant to lead.

 

[Calmador]

Are you married and do you cherish your wife as God cherished you so much that:
Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

Maybe time to respond rather that play Lord and Master, maybe?

I'm not playing Lord and Master... (sigh) All I'm doing is informing you what the Lord and Master has told us. Its clear... men are to lead... both in church and in the home.

 

[GreenNnice]

I'm not playing Lord and Master... (sigh) All I'm doing is informing you what the Lord and Master Yes.Men are to lead in the church in the home but it doesn't mean God can't also, in some more rare than not instances, USE a woman to lead . Why not? God can . And, He has in the past, He is now, and, God is in control, so, quit playing God by saying that you are able to read God's mind and say that a woman can never become a pastor.
"Well, Lord, your bible says that a bishop (or pastor) is to be the husband of one wife, that means that she can never be a pastor.'

No, it doesn't ! . I AM kindly, yet forcefully, telling you that and so is God, if you read into what I AM saying

 

[homwardbound]

Jesus said, "If you love me then you'll obey me."

There's more to love than you think. There's these other concepts that are very clear in the Bible... that are meant to serve us. Its called the Law and there is something to learn about it. God said that its good for teaching. And the one thing you should learn is that when we hear God's word, if we love God, we will obey him. Men are meant to lead.

No man can truly love without first seeing the love and depth of God's love, given to us through the Son of God via the cross, first the death in our stead for us to be desd daily to the self, and then alive to God from God a gift in the Spirit of God to new life in God
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
Ephesians 3:16 that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
Ephesians 3:17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Ephesians 3:18 may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

 

[homwardbound]

I'm not playing Lord and Master... (sigh) All I'm doing is informing you what the Lord and Master has told us. Its clear... men are to lead... both in church and in the home.

And are able to in truth, if they are responders to God's sovereign Mercy and love to all? There are those that Lord this over Women are there not? I agree in the right order, but not in taking it for granted