Sins of your Gender

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Matthew

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When I was 16 I was working at my first job in a residential care home and an older woman aged 26 began showing romantic interest in me and we began to spend time together, as you can imagine things quickly began to deteriorate and I ended up infatuated with a woman who had long moved on and hadn't really cared about me to begin with, it's the nearest I have come to a broken heart and emotionally I have never felt more lost and disconnected.

At the time a friend of mine went to speak to her without my knowldege but I happened to be in a position to overhear the conversation, not the best behaviour but at that time morals weren't high priorities for me, she asked her to be honest with me and tell me clearly how she felt and what the situation was so that I could resolve the feelings.
I remember hearing her say that if someone's romantic experience is a negative one it is likely to mean they will have another negative experience the next time because they will only know to treat others how they have been treated.

I understood the point she was making but I never fully agreed with her, I believed at the time that people were capable of seperating one experience from another and not hold the next person accountable for the actions of another.
But as I have gotten older and become more educated on attitudes within society it seems this is very rarely the case, so many women I've known, believers and otherwise have said things like 'men are all the same' and I've known men with similar attitudes, a good friend of mine is essentially refusing to marry his long-term partner because his first marriage went badly wrong, he is only engaged because he knew she was waiting to be asked, he assumes that the realtionship aside the marriage will be bad simply because that is all he has ever known marriage to be.

I realise I don't know what others have experienced but despite being hurt when I was young and being treated with complete disregard by someone almost 10 years my senior I have never been resentful of women or fearful they would all be the same, despite the fact there was nothing positive at all in my experience I am always reminding myself not to take it out on the next.

I hear a lot of talk about how people will always let you down or dissapoint you, but surely that's only half the story, for while that's true won't people also exceed your expectations and surprise you, go above and beyond when you fear they will walk away, at some point in our lives haven't we all only seen one side of that and been waiting for the other.

I fear that so many amazing women will never be a part of my life because they fear I am just the same as every other man they have ever known, I find it hard enough to form friendships but when I meet people closed off and defensive because someone now consigned to their past did them wrong it makes me wonder what I could possibly do to get them to trust me or at least open up, how can I answer for what other men have done?
 
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ariannaaa

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i think you're right, this does happen alot and it shouldn't. i think its just how we're wired psychologically, past experiences brew up insecurities within us and we apply those insecurities to others- having nothing to do with the individual to whom we are projecting those on. i dont really have an answer for it. i guess we all need to be more patient with one another all the way around.. in order to take account for situations like these. this was very well articulated, btw. good luck with everything.
 
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Women will deceive you, best to stay away from them.
 
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Karenina

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#4
Why do you say that?
 
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concernedguy

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#5
When I was 16 I was working at my first job in a residential care home and an older woman aged 26 began showing romantic interest in me and we began to spend time together, as you can imagine things quickly began to deteriorate and I ended up infatuated with a woman who had long moved on and hadn't really cared about me to begin with, it's the nearest I have come to a broken heart and emotionally I have never felt more lost and disconnected.

At the time a friend of mine went to speak to her without my knowldege but I happened to be in a position to overhear the conversation, not the best behaviour but at that time morals weren't high priorities for me, she asked her to be honest with me and tell me clearly how she felt and what the situation was so that I could resolve the feelings.
I remember hearing her say that if someone's romantic experience is a negative one it is likely to mean they will have another negative experience the next time because they will only know to treat others how they have been treated.

I understood the point she was making but I never fully agreed with her, I believed at the time that people were capable of seperating one experience from another and not hold the next person accountable for the actions of another.
But as I have gotten older and become more educated on attitudes within society it seems this is very rarely the case, so many women I've known, believers and otherwise have said things like 'men are all the same' and I've known men with similar attitudes, a good friend of mine is essentially refusing to marry his long-term partner because his first marriage went badly wrong, he is only engaged because he knew she was waiting to be asked, he assumes that the realtionship aside the marriage will be bad simply because that is all he has ever known marriage to be.

I realise I don't know what others have experienced but despite being hurt when I was young and being treated with complete disregard by someone almost 10 years my senior I have never been resentful of women or fearful they would all be the same, despite the fact there was nothing positive at all in my experience I am always reminding myself not to take it out on the next.

I hear a lot of talk about how people will always let you down or dissapoint you, but surely that's only half the story, for while that's true won't people also exceed your expectations and surprise you, go above and beyond when you fear they will walk away, at some point in our lives haven't we all only seen one side of that and been waiting for the other.

I fear that so many amazing women will never be a part of my life because they fear I am just the same as every other man they have ever known, I find it hard enough to form friendships but when I meet people closed off and defensive because someone now consigned to their past did them wrong it makes me wonder what I could possibly do to get them to trust me or at least open up, how can I answer for what other men have done?


Unfortunately it seems today many take their cues from hollywood. Many relationships are broken
because another person is supposed to make you happy. Did it ever occur to one that the person
you are having a relationship with never wanted the responsibility or asked to make you happy?

Why is it assumed just because you meet someone and have feelings for them that they suddenly
are to be your happiness slave?

The real problem is that most don't know how to be happy so they are always looking for an
external source to make them happy. A person should work on their self and if they meet someone
that they can share their happiness with then that might be a good start for a relationship.

Many will say they are happy but in most cases just mean they are unaware of their need for
others in their life. While the need for others is one we all share, we shouldn't be dependent on
those needs.

Since we can never know another person's intent, it is best to seek Christ's guidance. Anyone Christ
sends us you can be sure Christ knows their intent.
 
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dovey

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#6
It is sad how marred all of our hearts are....not at all like the beautiful little boys and girls that believed in the beautiful fairytales.....sounds like we need Jesus, so we can love like we have never been hurt...as impossible as that seems sometimes, I know He can and will restore our hearts to brand new and overflowing with love if we ask Him....the kind of hearts that are light hearted and childlike in their trust
 

Sharp

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May 5, 2009
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Unfortunately it seems today many take their cues from hollywood. Many relationships are broken
because another person is supposed to make you happy. Did it ever occur to one that the person
you are having a relationship with never wanted the responsibility or asked to make you happy?

Why is it assumed just because you meet someone and have feelings for them that they suddenly
are to be your happiness slave?

The real problem is that most don't know how to be happy so they are always looking for an
external source to make them happy. A person should work on their self and if they meet someone
that they can share their happiness with then that might be a good start for a relationship.

Many will say they are happy but in most cases just mean they are unaware of their need for
others in their life. While the need for others is one we all share, we shouldn't be dependent on
those needs.

Since we can never know another person's intent, it is best to seek Christ's guidance. Anyone Christ
sends us you can be sure Christ knows their intent.
I'm very intrigued.

Why do all your posts stop halfway across the page instead of using the full width of the page?
 
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Matthew

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Unfortunately it seems today many take their cues from hollywood. Many relationships are broken
because another person is supposed to make you happy. Did it ever occur to one that the person
you are having a relationship with never wanted the responsibility or asked to make you happy?

Why is it assumed just because you meet someone and have feelings for them that they suddenly
are to be your happiness slave?

The real problem is that most don't know how to be happy so they are always looking for an
external source to make them happy. A person should work on their self and if they meet someone
that they can share their happiness with then that might be a good start for a relationship.

Many will say they are happy but in most cases just mean they are unaware of their need for
others in their life. While the need for others is one we all share, we shouldn't be dependent on
those needs.

Since we can never know another person's intent, it is best to seek Christ's guidance. Anyone Christ
sends us you can be sure Christ knows their intent.
I don't really see how what you said has anything to do with the topic I am talking about, I said nothing about people wanting another person to make them happy or to have someone be 'a happiness slave', or anything about people being reliant on others to fulfil them and add things to their life.

You seem to be completely off topic.
 
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Divya

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Hey,

Many people do generalize saying "all men are like that"... Even i've had a very bad experience with an older man... But, fortunately, now I do know that God has forgiven me for my misguided times and I do look forward to my fairytale ending which God has promised for everyone... Each man has his lost rib somewhere in this world... My advice to you Matthew is just trust in Jesus, when He brings someone your way you will know they are there to stay and your life will be based on Christ as your foundation... you will love her and she you with all your heart but your first love will always be for God therefore will never disappointed with the other.

But, my advice to you would be pray for your future wife right away! That way you can tell God what you would like, but there too I suggest you tell him "Lord, let her everything you think I need in a life partner. But, I would like her to be ......" add your wishlist if you have any (I am sure you do).

- Divya
 
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greatkraw

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#12
sorry...

Ecclesiastes (Contemporary English Version) 7:26 Here is what I discovered: A bad woman is worse than death. She is a trap, reaching out with body and soul to catch you. But if you obey God, you can escape. If you don't obey, you are done for. 27With all my wisdom I have tried to find out how everything fits together, 28but so far I have not been able to. I do know there is one good man in a thousand, but never have I found a good woman. 29I did learn one thing: We were completely honest when God created us, but now we have twisted minds.

I think it is sad if a guy genuinely avoids women.

Still, for many years I made no effort to cultivate their friendship.

I spent 4 months in hospital, 6 weeks on life support. I gained a new appreciation for the ladies. I was cared for in a way that I do not remember ever being, in my entire life.
 
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iraasuup

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#13
sorry...

Ecclesiastes (Contemporary English Version) 7:26 Here is what I discovered: A bad woman is worse than death. She is a trap, reaching out with body and soul to catch you. But if you obey God, you can escape. If you don't obey, you are done for. 27With all my wisdom I have tried to find out how everything fits together, 28but so far I have not been able to. I do know there is one good man in a thousand, but never have I found a good woman. 29I did learn one thing: We were completely honest when God created us, but now we have twisted minds.

I think it is sad if a guy genuinely avoids women.

Still, for many years I made no effort to cultivate their friendship.

I spent 4 months in hospital, 6 weeks on life support. I gained a new appreciation for the ladies. I was cared for in a way that I do not remember ever being, in my entire life.

That's all very well and good, but what about the bad men? Does anyone even acknowledge they exist? Because believe me they do!
 
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buckeyegirl700

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I have been hurt by men before and this has caused me to have a negative attitude torwards men and relationships. Now that I am a Christian I have different views about relationships. I want to have a healthy relationship with a Christian guy. I try to think of the times I was hurt, and the unhealthy relationships I was in as a learning experience.
 
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Kyra

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I find it hard enough to form friendships but when I meet people closed off and defensive because someone now consigned to their past did them wrong it makes me wonder what I could possibly do to get them to trust me or at least open up, how can I answer for what other men have done?

You can't, only they can. But the good news is, humans are complex and can learn to lay down expectations.

Granted, there are some women ( and men) who I don't think will ever be open to a new way of thinking. But some will!

Especially if they are in a friendship with a person who continually treats them with kindness and respect, while appropriately challenging their view point by speaking the truth.

Of course you have to break out the prayer and discernment in figuring out who to invest in. Let's face it any time you are loving someone and waiting for the walls to fall, you are going to need God.

(I emphasis appropriately because certain men use accusations in order to manipulate women into dating them.)
 
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greatkraw

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The scripture is quite clear. 999/1000 men are bad.

Lotsa luck finding the other.
 

cookie39

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I believe that every ungodly man have a lot of the same characteristics," selfishness" and "pride" and with these they are very distructive, in all relationship. but with God they can become the man God intended them to be, and for woman we become bitter and unforgiving. and with every bad relationship we are more and more becoming as a wounded animal who will not allow comfort; just company, for the risk of getting more hurt then healed. we don't know how to heal ourselves. and we look for another who may can help, but from the outside they all look the same "a man " .
If a man do one thing like another man has done, (and they all do) we have flash-backs (lol) we do see what happened when the other man did the same things. and we do know what type of man that would do certain things. (too much to tell; whole nother subject). I have been scorned, and have been cheated on, I have been mentally, emotionally, and physically abuse. and we also see what other women go through with men, ( so it's not only what we go through personally, but what most all women we have known, have seen, and have heard have gone through in our life time. and even in the Bible, when Jesus said that Moses allowed divorce cause he knew the hardness of the men hearts, he knew when a man didn't want a woman antmorre he would mistreat her, even in I Cor. 7, women are allowed to leave their husband... (10)And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband 11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife... Now why would she want to leave him.. it didn't say he cheated.. so what could he have done or was doing so wrong that she wanted to leave evenrhogh she can't get married to another.. and why would they reconcile... he had to get his mind right first.(lol).
I must say that God has healed me, and he has tought me that what ever is in the past is just that "the past" and that I can use it to learn from it or to stay bitter and hurt. I can know that none of them could love me if they do not love Him, and as long as they are without him in their lives they will not be albe to treat me like the daughter I am, that I am unique, one of a kind, and I deserve a king in my castle. so I do not let what another have done to me hinder me from having a full life. nor will my past hinder my future. they do not have that power over me. (anymore) and it was not through another man, but "THE MAN" Jesus Christ. for I understand that if we don't have God, who restrains us, we are; liable to do anything. never say never. I am married to a man of God now, and he love the Lord more than he loves me, and I get all that love of God through him. in pleasing the Lord, he got to do right by me. but God would not allow me to meet him till he has healed my heart and I walk in forgivness.
I'm free; praise the Lord, I'm free...
 

cookie39

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and to you men who also hold bitterness and unforgivness in your hearts I will be praying for you. I will pray that God heal you and help you to forgive. for you men are no different from women, you grow bitter toward women as well as women toward men. you ssay and think bad things about women and you also bring your hurts and past relationships in to the next one you have.. everthing you thought you should have done in the old to keep it from failing ( getting caught) you do in the next. and as allways you still get caught. and for some reason it seem that men have some type of imformation line that feeds them all the wrong imfo. cause they respond to a situation all the same, or do the same things like.. they go to the info line and ask there questions.... tell me that 90% of men don't do this....... they ask, what do I do or say if my women ask me where I 'm at or where I've been.. umm; tell here you with yo guys... and we do is call them and they have heard or seen you in days. (lol) and so much more that is the same thing just different people. so we all need the Lord to heal, unload, and readjust. and then look for a true man or woman of God.
 
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Matthew

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If a man do one thing like another man has done, (and they all do) we have flash-backs (lol) we do see what happened when the other man did the same things.
I understand your points cookie and it all makes sense, but it bothers me when people say that 'they all do', whether it's a man referring to a woman or vice versa, it makes me think why should I bother holding out hope, I don't understand how a person can believe that we are all wired to fail and yet there could be a better person out there for us, I don't believe we will all make the same mistakes, there are better people, even if they are rare, and I don't personally believe you can't be one of those people if your not christian either.