Dangers of Feminism

[presidente]

I was just thinking about foreign brides. When I was in Asia, local women would often ask my wife how they could get a white husband. Lot's of women in that country were interested in foreign men. One woman was from my wife's ethnic group, looked young, but said she was 40 and unmarried. She went to our church sometimes, and came to a Bible study in our house, and asked how to meet someone to marry. Online dating was kind of new. I suggested she got to an Internet café and get on a dating site. She came to a New Year's get together at our house about a year later and she got engaged to a man from the US. A couple of other women from church met Americans through the Internet. The last I heard, they were still together. I haven't heard about anyone divorcing anyone after getting a greencard. These women wanted husbands, not greencards.

Lot's of people do internet dating these days. Adding an international component may make it more difficult, but it's the same thing. I guess they Skype or something like that to talk and get to know each other. That's what the one girl who was 40 and single did. They used webcams to see each other and talk and date online for hours like that. I guess you can get to know each other that way. But it would be harder to meet family and friends that way and see what your potential partner's life is like.

Also, if a white man is dating a western man online, he may be considered better looking than he is in his own country because of the 'foreign mystique.' The same goes for the Asian woman who may not be unusually good looking in her own country. She may seem a exotic and more appealing to the man interested in her because she's from overseas.

 

[Praus]

Plenty of LGBT boards out there specifically designed for those who hate men & Christians.

How do you know that?

The "feminists" are promoting "gay Christian" right sites here on the CC forums--it's not as if they're hiding it from us.

-> http://christianchat.com/christian-...ther-wisdom-cc-year-review-2.html#post1340482

 

[presidente]

When I started this thread, I should have kept the focus narrower and defined terms.

I consider 'feminism' to refer to the movement that first called itself 'feminist' (as far as I know.) That movement in the 1960's. I wasn't thinking of the suffragettes.

What seems to be a core belief of feminists, the modern movement, is that there is this evil 'patriarchy' that keeps women down, and it's always the patriarchy's fault. The problem I have with that is that the Bible promotes patriarchy, so considering patriarchy to be evil is a problem. I've pointed out the ways in which the Biblical promotes patriarchy. A key point is that God is this Father. We live in a patriarchal universe. Even the planets and stars are subject to the Father.

 

[biscuit]

When I started this thread, I should have kept the focus narrower and defined terms.

I consider 'feminism' to refer to the movement that first called itself 'feminist' (as far as I know.) That movement in the 1960's. I wasn't thinking of the suffragettes.

What seems to be a core belief of feminists, the modern movement, is that there is this evil 'patriarchy' that keeps women down, and it's always the patriarchy's fault. The problem I have with that is that the Bible promotes patriarchy, so considering patriarchy to be evil is a problem. I've pointed out the ways in which the Biblical promotes patriarchy. A key point is that God is this Father. We live in a patriarchal universe. Even the planets and stars are subject to the Father.

"just the truth"

 

[Misty77]

I agree that new wave feminism (pro-abortion, man-hating, and denying gender differences) is definitely evil. Authentic feminism is the acknowledgement of gender-based discrimination or abuse and holds that all people are of equal value and worth. When you say, "Feminists are evil," you are lumping a lot of good people in with the bad. Also, we cannot blame others for our own faults. There are cases of discrimination of both genders, depending on who is calling the shots in each particular situation.

As a single mother of my son, I am raising him to respect all people, to be kind to those who are vulnerable, and to depend on the Lord for strength to overcome difficulties. That is true manhood.

 

[presidente]

I don't consider opposing all forms of gender 'discrimination' to be evil. I don't see that as consistent with Biblical values. That's a value that comes from western society, not something taught in scripture. By 'discrimination' I include such things as not having women fight in the military. In the Old Testament, according to God's commands, men fought the battles, men between the ages of 20 and 50. Women were not called for such a service. Is that unloving? No. People who are against women fighting in the military or being in combat roles may also be motivated by a respect for women, as 'weaker vessels' in certain regards. It is also foolish for a country to lower standards (e.g. dropping the three pull up requirement) for women but not men to get more women into the military.

When it come to inheritance and land ownership, the LORD discriminated between men and women by having land passed down to male heirs. There is nothing wrong with that.

How is arguing that both genders must be paid equally in line with Biblical teaching? Most of us are familiar with 'A Christmas Carol'. At the end, Scrooge realizes that Bob Crachet's family needs more financial support. Suppose Scrooge increases his wages, not based on his work performance, but because he supported a family that needed more income. If Scrooge had a female employee who wasn't supporting a family, and only increased Bob's salary, would that mean Scrooge was doing wrong? Remember the parable of the laborers in the vineyard. The owner of the vineyard pays certain people above and beyond what was agreed on, as a way of being kind and generous to them, though he did not increase the wages of those who worked all day. The ones who worked all day had no right to demand any extra wages. If an employer wants to pay men who support family's more, how can we say that is evil from a Biblical perspective? I'm not saying that laws that require equal pay for equal work are evil or unacceptable laws, but nor do I see any basis for seeing it as some kind of law that God requires us to have. I certainly don't see any reason to condemn employers in the 1800's over such things, back before such issues were a matter of law. Employers also may have favored men because they had a greater potential to be long-term employees who wouldn't quit when a baby was born.

A lot of things that feminists get upset over don't seem to have much of a root in Biblical morality. Some of their ideology can even be opposed to scripture.

 

[secularhermit]

I just wondered how many macho men would promote an offensive "attack" against FEMINISM the way this MAN (Daniel Fernandez) did in France?

Dared to click on the underlined link, above?

I wish some of you were there!

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

 

[GaryA]

"Hey --- I kinda like her --- she looks rather interesting when she's angry --- those eyes ------------ Huh? --- What? --- She's a radical feminist? ------ Nevermind ..."

 

[GaryA]

Let's face it, Satan has done a masterful job trying to undermine the institution of marriage with the courts allowing gays to marry. On the other end of the spectrum, we have Satan's female disciples undercutting the power of the man in the family by holding male politicians as hostages as a voting bloc. The very foundation of humanity is marriage between a man and a woman with a man as ruler of his household.

But God is still in control because it is ironic that as much power women have in marriage and relationship in general, they are the most miserable and depressed with the overall results of their relationships. Here we are in the 21st century and they have gains in the labor force but the downgrade of relationships has left many women single and alone. I have to say that God is punishing those women who are using Satan's instrument of feminism to gain hold or control a relationship.

The good news is Jesus is coming home will and return the family unit back to its original glory.

I look at it this way...

God set it up to work His way. It will not work any other way. Period. ( "God said." ) As more and more people try it any other way than God's way -- it exponentiates the matter-of-course destruction to society. ( Of course, this holds true for everything in general. )

In a way, we are saying the same thing. Only, I am looking at it from a "pre-set, pre-determined, pre-defined, pre-arranged" built-into-life this-is-what-you-get you-reap-what-you-sow perspective instead of an after-the-fact active-decision-of-God to punish...

 

[GaryA]

I will submit because obeying my husband is the same as obeying Yahweh if I walk in faith. I will submit because it creates harmony in my home. I will submit because the Bible tells me so, and I believe the Bible is true. Feminism has no place in the hierarchy of Yahweh's plan.

"Yep --- this pretty well sums up what the OP is saying in the initial post ..."

 

[Misty77]

From what I gather, all of you proud, Christian men think that feminists deserve hell. You offer no understanding, no compassion, and no grace to them. All you see is someone worthy of blame and condemnation. Jesus said, "They will know that you are my disciples by your love." Your vitriol practically ensures that none of these women will ever turn to the Lord because of the hate and bigotry you show. You have not cared to find out where the other side is coming from; you have just pronounced them evil and deranged.

Congratulations. If I didn't already know the Lord, you, my brothers, would have convinced me that God is a petty sadist, just like His angry little band of followers. I have tried to reason with you, to appeal to your [lacking] intellect or to what remains of your conscience. I wash my hands of you completely and take no part in the blood that will be on your hands at judgment day.

 

[GaryA]

You are confusing the original feminist movement with new wave feminism. Feminism is respecting people as equals regardless of gender. New Wave Feminism has been taken over by the more radical pro-choice element.

NO * IT * IS * NOT

You are confused...

The very word itself has a built-in 'bias' and 'emphasis' regarding "females" - for or against - for good or for bad ---- period.

I say this from a language perspective.

A word that means "equality of gender" would be neither masculine nor feminine - but rather, neutral. ( with regard to gender )

The definition of the word 'feminine' cannot be neutral, from a gender point of view.

What you are suggesting is a literal impossibility, according to the 'grammar of the language'.

 

[Misty77]

NO * IT * IS * NOT

You are confused...

The very word itself has a built-in 'bias' and 'emphasis' regarding "females" - for or against - for good or for bad ---- period.

I say this from a language perspective.

A word that means "equality of gender" would be neither masculine nor feminine - but rather, neutral. ( with regard to gender )

The definition of the word 'feminine' cannot be neutral, from a gender point of view.

What you are suggesting is a literal impossibility, according to the 'grammar of the language'.

Read a book, dude. Read ANYTHING written by the original feminists. It was all about equality because specifically women (among other groups) were not equal. Feminism was about bringing women up to the level in society that men enjoyed.

 

[biscuit]

From what I gather, all of you proud, Christian men think that feminists deserve hell. You offer no understanding, no compassion, and no grace to them. All you see is someone worthy of blame and condemnation. Jesus said, "They will know that you are my disciples by your love." Your vitriol practically ensures that none of these women will ever turn to the Lord because of the hate and bigotry you show. You have not cared to find out where the other side is coming from; you have just pronounced them evil and deranged.

Congratulations. If I didn't already know the Lord, you, my brothers, would have convinced me that God is a petty sadist, just like His angry little band of followers. I have tried to reason with you, to appeal to your [lacking] intellect or to what remains of your conscience. I wash my hands of you completely and take no part in the blood that will be on your hands at judgment day.

You will never get it because it is not a gender issue but a Christian issue that manifest itself in the Scriptures. Hey, your support from Christian women is next to nothing because they believe in the Lord and His scriptures. For some reason you believe the Bible should be "political correct," bent a little or manipulated for your sake. Then you have the wrong Bible because there is a "feminist bible" out there written for feminist pastors and feminists alike. The Bible is what it is and it will not change and God will never change. And any true Christian, female or male, will not change for man's (or woman's) sake.

 

[GaryA]

From what I gather, all of you proud, Christian men think that feminists deserve hell. You offer no understanding, no compassion, and no grace to them. All you see is someone worthy of blame and condemnation. Jesus said, "They will know that you are my disciples by your love." Your vitriol practically ensures that none of these women will ever turn to the Lord because of the hate and bigotry you show. You have not cared to find out where the other side is coming from; you have just pronounced them evil and deranged.

Congratulations. If I didn't already know the Lord, you, my brothers, would have convinced me that God is a petty sadist, just like His angry little band of followers. I have tried to reason with you, to appeal to your [lacking] intellect or to what remains of your conscience. I wash my hands of you completely and take no part in the blood that will be on your hands at judgment day.

No, honey - I believe you have misunderstood...

There is no lack of compassion.

There is no vitrol.

There is no hate.

There is no bigotry.



I think I am with kayem77 on this one --- unless everyone is "on the same page" with regard to the definition of 'feminism' -- I do not believe a good discussion can be had.

I believe that the "correct" definition - for this thread - is the one according-to-the-OP ...

 

[biscuit]

Read a book, dude. Read ANYTHING written by the original feminists. It was all about equality because specifically women (among other groups) were not equal. Feminism was about bringing women up to the level in society that men enjoyed.

There is NO PLACE in Christianity for feminism. Even in the secular world, it is NOT WELCOMED in many corners.

 

[GaryA]

Read a book, dude. Read ANYTHING written by the original feminists. It was all about equality because specifically women (among other groups) were not equal. Feminism was about bringing women up to the level in society that men enjoyed.

"Case in point..."

It may be that the final intended result is something that reflects some definition of what "equal" is thought to be; however, 'Feminism' itself is about doing something for women in order to get the desired result. Therefore, 'Feminism' itself is not neutral - but rather, is inclined toward women - "with special regard to women" - having a 'bias' and 'emphasis' regarding "females" - like I said before.

Understand what I am saying?

 

[GaryA]

NO * IT * IS * NOT

You are confused...

The very word itself has a built-in 'bias' and 'emphasis' regarding "females" - for or against - for good or for bad ---- period.

I say this from a language perspective.

A word that means "equality of gender" would be neither masculine nor feminine - but rather, neutral. ( with regard to gender )

The definition of the word 'feminine' cannot be neutral, from a gender point of view.

What you are suggesting is a literal impossibility, according to the 'grammar of the language'.

"Case in point..."

It may be that the final intended result is something that reflects some definition of what "equal" is thought to be; however, 'Feminism' itself is about doing something for women in order to get the desired result. Therefore, 'Feminism' itself is not neutral - but rather, is inclined toward women - "with special regard to women" - having a 'bias' and 'emphasis' regarding "females" - like I said before.

Understand what I am saying?

Keep in mind that I am saying all of this with regard to the 'grammar of the language'.

I am saying that the definition of the very word itself - according to the 'grammar of the language' - has a built-in 'emphasis' that literally means - "with special regard to females" - and that this 'emphasis' cannot be separated from - but is, in fact, intrinsic to - the definition of the very word itself.

Make sense?

EDIT: "with special regard to women" => "with special regard to females" ( what I really meant to say )

 

[KittenofMelchisedek]

Feminism is more the enemy of women....just what I wanted was more rights to fallacy with less built in protection....like thanks, give me pants just so I can work them off....

before feminism, women were feminine, there were expectations of men to protect and cherish.... now it's every man for himself, women are men too, only muslim women can wear long skirts, and once we've murdered modesty, marriage, and countless children and still no one can say anything -or their sexist- then we'll start having gay female leaders in the community....

how is this anything BUT an enemy agenda?