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Shortly after he became president in 2009, while speaking in Egypt, he said that the United States was NOT a Christian nation.

I recently found some 2013 statistis I want to share with you.

Only 78.4% say they are Christian or Jew.

Only 16% say aboration is wrong for any reason. 7% in mainline churches.

50% say homosexuality is ok. 44% in mainline churches.

50% say same sex marriage is ok. 43% in mainline churches.

56% say religion is very important in their life. 52% in mainline churches.

15% attend church more than once a week. 8% in mainline churches.

33% believe in a litteral interpretation of scripture. 22% of mainline churches.

ONLY 71% have a firm belief in God. 73% in mainline churches.

Obama actually said something I can agree with.:mad:
 
Shortly after he became president in 2009, while speaking in Egypt, he said that the United States was NOT a Christian nation.

I recently found some 2013 statistis I want to share with you.

Only 78.4% say they are Christian or Jew.

Only 16% say aboration is wrong for any reason. 7% in mainline churches.

50% say homosexuality is ok. 44% in mainline churches.

50% say same sex marriage is ok. 43% in mainline churches.

56% say religion is very important in their life. 52% in mainline churches.

15% attend church more than once a week. 8% in mainline churches.

33% believe in a litteral interpretation of scripture. 22% of mainline churches.

ONLY 71% have a firm belief in God. 73% in mainline churches.

Obama actually said something I can agree with.:mad:
is this percentage out of 100 and is it out of americans? because those numbers are decent if so
 
is this percentage out of 100 and is it out of americans? because those numbers are decent if so

This is out of the 78.4% that call themself Christian or Jew, so the % of total population is quite a bit less.
 
Of course it's not a Christian country! Even the vast majority who claim Christ are heretics, apostates, and false teachers/prophets.
 
Shortly after he became president in 2009, while speaking in Egypt, he said that the United States was NOT a Christian nation.

I recently found some 2013 statistis I want to share with you.

Only 78.4% say they are Christian or Jew.

Only 16% say aboration is wrong for any reason. 7% in mainline churches.

50% say homosexuality is ok. 44% in mainline churches.

50% say same sex marriage is ok. 43% in mainline churches.

56% say religion is very important in their life. 52% in mainline churches.

15% attend church more than once a week. 8% in mainline churches.

33% believe in a litteral interpretation of scripture. 22% of mainline churches.

ONLY 71% have a firm belief in God. 73% in mainline churches.

Obama actually said something I can agree with.:mad:


What does Obama claim to be...?
 
Well we know he is not Christian, how can anyone be and support Gays, Abortion.

I about fell over this morning. my FIL has been a Democrat all his life. He is 86, he said today that he no longer calls himself a Democrat, that Obama runied that when he filpped on Gays. I was shocked.

He was hard core and has given money. I have never given a cent to the Republicans.....LOL It really made me feel good to know he has turned on Obama.

The bad thing is we older people see it, but, the younger people don't.
 
Yes, democrats use to be the conservatives. But, they jumped on board with Hollywood and our children or so persuaded with the silver screen that truth has become blind. Their movies and music are all about women and money. They can;t see Holiness and virtue. They are raised by family guy, the Simpsons and american dad and their parents don;t care as long as it shuts them up for an hour or two. The Dems have used this to their advantage. TV teaches that its okay to be gay. It all started with a show called three's company, where a guy,that died young, pretended to be gay. A little leaven, leavens the whole lump.
 
Well we know he is not Christian, how can anyone be and support Gays, Abortion.

I about fell over this morning. my FIL has been a Democrat all his life. He is 86, he said today that he no longer calls himself a Democrat, that Obama runied that when he filpped on Gays. I was shocked.

He was hard core and has given money. I have never given a cent to the Republicans.....LOL It really made me feel good to know he has turned on Obama.

The bad thing is we older people see it, but, the younger people don't.
I think it was Dennis Prager who did a ''Who said this?'' poll.
After hearing the quotes the vast majority said 'a conservative'. But in actuality it was quotes from Pres.John Kennedy.

Yup, times have changed.
 
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You know the tree by it fruit.

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Only 16% say aboration is wrong for any reason. 7% in mainline churches. And that is from 78,4 is about 12% minus Jew, left around 10%

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Is the United Stated a Christian nation? Well, let's see.

Since Roe v Wade we have systematically murdered 54 million unborn babies.

The divorce rate is now well over 50%.

Adultery is regarded as fashionable and sexual promiscuity is encouraged even among our youth as the acceptable norm.

The exercise of self control is not only a lost art but is now considered as an unrealistic expectation.

Homosexuality is embraced in every corner of society, even within the Church. Not only has it received social acceptance, it is now protected by lawmakers.

God has been incrementally removed from our schools, our work places and from social events. It has become unpopular and even criminal to speak of God.

The Word of God has become the enemy of the state.

Moral integrity has collapsed within our nation and all that is evil has become good and that which is good has become evil. Our nation has become so morally bankrupt that it can no longer distinguish between good and evil, right or wrong.

One can now be held legally accountable for publicly denouncing sin in any of its forms. It is regarded by the social sciences to be psychologically damaging to call someone a sinner.

We have become a nation obsessed with catering to our vanities. We deny ourselves nothing. Every commercial on television is designed to appeal either to our sense of vanity or to our desire for convenience.

We have become a nation obsessed with constant entertainment that steals our time and resources.

Is the United Stated a Christian nation? It certainly does not seem to fit the profile.
 
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The reason that Revelation Chapter 13 says this:

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads


... is because the United States of America is that second Beast that joins with the First one.

"...he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon".

That means that the USA started out as Christian (Spoke as a Lamb), and it had Protestantism, which is a Church without a Pope; and it had pure Republicanism, which is a State without a King. (the Two Horns).

But it is going to speak as a Dragon. And it is beginning to get into that phase of things NOW.

And according to Bible Prophecy, many will POSE as Christians in these last days, but not truly be Christians.

And so NO, it is not a Christian Nation.

Very soon, Church and State will unite to pass a National Sunday Law. They will FORCE all to accept the Dogmas of the Church.
 
What i find interesting is that the third world nations where the U.S. sent missionaries are now sending THEIR missionaries to the U.S. to re-introduce Americans to Christianity!
 
This nation isn't the first or second beast. It is the harlot seated on top of the first beast with seven heads and ten horns. Rev chapter seventeen and eighteen. And you are right it is not a Christian nation. It was but it's not any more.
 
Who is the Beast in the Book of Revelation?
The Beast from the Sea (Revelation 13) is inexorably tied to two other symbols employed in Scripture, all representing the same power and the same kingdom.
•The Harlot riding the Seven-Headed Beast (Revelation 17)
•The Little Horn (Daniel 7)



15 Identifying Characteristics of "the beast" power:

(1) . . . is both a Church and a City.
"And the woman [harlot] whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth." (Revelation 17:18, NKJV)
Note: A "woman" in prophecy = a church (Jeremiah 6:2)
A "harlot" woman, therefore = an unfaithful/apostate church.


(2) . . . is seated upon Seven Mountains.
"Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman [harlot] sits." (Revelation 17:9, NKJV)



(3) . . . is arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones.
"And the woman [church] was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls . . ." (Revelation 17:4, KJV)

(4) . . . asserts power over ALL the inhabitants of Earth.
" . . . And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation." (Revelation 13:7, NKJV)

(5) . . . arose within a densely populated area with cultural diversity.
"Then he said to me, 'The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.' " (Revelation 17:15, NKJV)

(6) . . . completely eradicated three other kingdoms when rising to power.
"I was considering the horns [kingdoms], and there was another horn [kingdom], a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns [kingdoms] were plucked out by the roots." (Daniel 7:8, NKJV)
Note: A "horn" in prophecy = a king/kingdom (Daniel 8:21-22)


(7) . . . makes war with the Saints.
"I saw the woman [harlot], drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Yahushua." (Revelation 17:6)

(8) . . . has a Single Man acting and speaking for the whole.
" . . . And there, in this horn [kingdom], were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words." (Daniel 7:8, NKJV)

(9) The sovereign of this kingdom exalts himself as high as Yahuwah.
Let no one deceive you by any means… the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called Eloah (God) or that is worshiped, so that he sits as Eloah in the sanctuary of Yahuwah, showing himself that he is Eloah. (See 2 Thess. 2:3-4.)

(10) The sovereign of this kingdom is identified with the number "666."
"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six [666]." (Revelation 13:18, KJV)

(11) . . . speaks pompous words and blasphemies.
"And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies . . ." (Revelation 13:5, NKJV)

(12) . . . has attempted to change Yahuwah's Calendar and Law.
"He . . . shall intend to change times [calendar] and law." (Daniel 7:25, NKJV)

(13) . . . ruled supreme for 1,260 years.
". . . and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months." (Revelation 13:5, NKJV)

(14) . . . was stripped of authority by a civil power and taken into "captivity."
"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword . . ." (Revelation 13:10, NKJV)
Note: "The sword" here indicates civil power. (See Romans 13:1, 4.)


(15) . . . was mortally wounded, but will ultimately recover.
"And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast." (Revelation 13:3, NKJV)

Only one power in history fits every detail of the prophetic description . . .
The Roman Catholic Church! Let's Review.


The Roman Catholic Church . . .


(1) . . . is both a Church and a City. (Revelation 17:18)
Vatican City
The Roman Catholic Church and the Roman Vatican City-State are synonymous. The Lateran Treaty (Mussolini-Pope Pius XI, 1929) gave Vatican City “independent status” and recognized the pope’s sovereignty within the city.
“The agreements included a political treaty, which created the state of Vatican City and guaranteed to the Holy See full and independent sovereignty.” (Encarta Reference Library, 2004)





(2) . . . is seated upon Seven Mountains. (Revelation 17:9)
seven hills of Rome
Rome: “The City of Seven Hills”
1.The Palatine
2.The Capitoline
3.The Aventine
4.The Caelian
5.The Esquiline
6.The Viminal
7.The Quirinal
“The historical site of Rome on the famous seven hills . . . was occupied as early as the Bronze Age.” (Encyclopedia Britannica, 1990, Vol.10, p.162)



(3) . . . is arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones. (Revelation 17:4)

Catholic Church arrayed in purple and scarlet
“The color for bishops and other prelates is purple, for cardinals scarlet… The pectoral cross should be made of gold and… decorated with gems…” (Our Sunday Visitor's Catholic Encyclopedia, 1991, p. 175, 178, 466)
Pope Paul VI's pectoral cross and papal ring

Note: There were four colors, given by Yahuwah, to be worn by the High Priest: gold, blue, purple, and scarlet. (Exodus 28:1-6)
What is the relevance of the Catholic Church's missing color? Blue
Again Yahuwah spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak to the children of Israel: Tell them to make tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and to put a BLUE thread in the tassels of the corners. And you shall have the tassel, that you may look upon it and remember all the Commandments of Yahuwah and do them, and that you may not follow the harlotry to which your own heart and your own eyes are inclined, and that you may remember and do all My Commandments, and be holy for your Eloah." (See Numbers 15:37-40)


(4) . . . asserts power over ALL the inhabitants of Earth. (Revelation 13:7)
Pope Benedict XVI and George W. Bush
“We define that the Holy Apostolic See and the Roman Pontiff [pope] hold the primacy over the whole world . . .” (Laetentur Coeli, Council of Florence, 1439)
There is “no higher authority . . .” (Pastor Aeternus, 1870)
Pope Gregory (reigned 1073-85) “presented himself as heir to the unlimited commission . . . over all souls.” (Encyclopedia Britannica, 1990, Vol.26, p.927)




(5) . . . arose within a densely populated area with cultural diversity. (Revelation 17:15)
The Roman Catholic Church-state rose to power from within the ten original tribes (monarchies) of divided Europe:
1.Anglo-Saxons (England)
2.Alemanni (Germany)
3.Visigoths (Spain)
4.Franks (France)
5.Lombards (Italy)
6.Burgundians (Switzerland)
7.Suevi (Portugal)
8.Heruli
9.Ostrogoths
10.Vandals

(6) . . . completely eradicated three other kingdoms when rising to power. (Daniel 7:8)
Gold tremissis of emperor Zeno (474-491)
Gold tremissis of emperor Zeno (474-491)

History records that the Roman Papacy wiped out three of the original ten tribes (monarchies) of divided Europe:
1.The Vandals (454 A.D.)
2.The Heruli (493 A.D.)
3.The Ostrogoths (538 A.D.)
"The Catholic emperor Zeno (474-491) arranged a treaty with the Ostrogoths in 487 which resulted in the eradication of the kingdom of the Arian Heruls in 493. And the Catholic emperor Justinian (527-565) exterminated the Arian Vandals in 534 and significantly broke the power of the Arian Ostrogoths in 538. Thus were Daniel's three horns' the Heruls, the Vandals, and the Ostrogoths--'plucked up by the roots.' " (C. Mervyn Maxwell, God Cares, Vol. 1, p. 129)
Today, there is not a single bloodline that can be traced back to any of these three kingdoms. They were literally eradicated (“plucked out by the ROOTS")!

(7) . . . makes war with the Saints. (Revelation 17:6)
papal inquisition


“That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind will be questioned by no Protestant who has a complete knowledge of history… It is impossible to form a complete conception of the multitude of her victims… and it is quite certain that no powers of imagination can adequately realize their sufferings.” (W.E.H. Lecky, History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe, Vol. 2; 32)





(8) . . . has a Single Man acting and speaking for the whole. (Daniel 7:8)
The pope “is the only spokesman for the entire Roman Church.” (Encyclopedia Britannica, 1990, Vol.26, p.951)

(9) The sovereign of this kingdom exalts himself as high as Yahuwah. (2 Thess. 2:3-4)
Pope Leo XIII“We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.”
(Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Letter, Dated-June 20, 1894)

(10) The sovereign of this kingdom is identified with the number "666." (Revelation 13:18)

The Pope's triple crown holds the inscription Vicarius Filii Dei, which is latin for "Vicar [Substitute] of the Son of God." The numerical value of this blasphemous title is 666.
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Vicarius = V(5), I(1), C(100), A(0), R(0), I(1), U(5), S(0) = 112
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Filii = F(0), I(1), L(50), I(1), I(1) = 53
•Dei = D(500), E(0), I(1) = 501

•Vicarius Filii Dei = 666

Pop'e tiara (crown) with inscription: "Vicarius Filii Dei"

(11) . . . speaks pompous words and blasphemies. (Revelation 13:5)
Scripture defines blasphemy as:
(1) Claiming to be YAH on Earth (John 10:33)
“The pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, hidden under a veil of flesh.” (The Catholic National, July 1895)
John Paul II sitting on throne with inverted cross(2) Claiming the power to forgive sins (Mark 2:7)
“This judicial authority will even include the power to forgive sins.” (The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 12, Article “Pope”, p.265)
(3) Persecuting the people of the Most High in the Name of the Most High (1 Timothy 1:13)
“[W]e must rank the Inquisition… as among the darkest blots on record of mankind.” (Will Durant, The Story of Civilization, Vol. 4, p. 78)
Some historians estimate more than 100 million people were killed by the Roman Church.

(12) . . . has attempted to change Yahuwah's Calendar and Law. (Daniel 7:25)
Pope Gregory the Great (Public domain, via Wikimedia Commons)
“The pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine laws.” (Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca, Article “Papa”, II Vol.6, p.29)
“Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles...From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.” (Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August 1900.)
“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change [of the Sabbath to Sunday] was her act…And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical power.” (Letter by H.F. Thomas, chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons)
(Note: This change was not simply a change of worship days; it was a change of calendars. Rome, in the fourth century, adopted the modern counterfeit pagan calendar and outlawed the Biblical luni-solar calendar.)

The Papacy also removed the 2nd Commandment, which forbids idol worship. In order to keep 10 Commandments, they divided the 10th Commandment into two parts.

(13) . . . ruled supreme for 1,260 years. (Revelation 13:5)
538 AD – The Papacy, working through the civil government, broke the power of the Ostrogoths, leaving the Pope’s claim of ecclesiastical supremacy unchallenged. The Roman Church could (and would) now exercise her full authority.
1798 AD – “In 1798, General Berthier [of France] made his entrance into Rome, abolished the papal government, and established a secular one.” (Encyclopedia Britannica, 1941 edition)
The Papacy ruled supreme for exactly 1,260 years! (from 538 until 1798)


(14) . . . was stripped of authority by a civil power and taken into "captivity." (Revelation 13:10)
Pope Pius VI being taken captive by French armies


“The ultimate humiliation of the Church came when Pius VI was driven out of Rome by the French armies in 1798 and in the following year was taken captive by them and dragged back to France, where he died.” (Encyclopedia Britannica, 1990, Vol.26, p.938)


(15) . . . was mortally wounded, but will ultimately recover. (Revelation 13:3)
The Papacy is mortally wounded…
1798 – General Berthier abolished the papal government.
The Wound begins to heal . . . and the Papacy is revived.
1929 – “Rome . . . was granted sovereign extraterritorial status in 1929 by the Lateran Treaty and Concordat.” (Encyclopedia Britannica, 1990 Edition)

"Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book." (Revelation 22:7, NKJV)
This is not a new understanding, beloved. This is the historical Protestant view of the Roman Church. We live in a very privileged time, having the ability to see this evidence more clearly than our faithful predecessors. Yahuwah has given us these precious gems of prophecy so that we may know and understand. Soon, the beast's wound will be completely healed and she will again openly seek to destroy Yahuwah's faithful. May none be deceived by the beast, this mother of all harlots, the Roman Catholic Church
 
Woman means CHURCH in Bible prophecy. Harlot in this case means the Apostate Church.
 
Woman means CHURCH in Bible prophecy. Harlot in this case means the Apostate Church.

I think you are wrong on this one brother. The book of Revelations says the woman is a city, not a church.

Revelations 17:18

And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
 
Shortly after he became president in 2009, while speaking in Egypt, he said that the United States was NOT a Christian nation.

I recently found some 2013 statistis I want to share with you.

Only 78.4% say they are Christian or Jew.

Only 16% say aboration is wrong for any reason. 7% in mainline churches.

50% say homosexuality is ok. 44% in mainline churches.

50% say same sex marriage is ok. 43% in mainline churches.

56% say religion is very important in their life. 52% in mainline churches.

15% attend church more than once a week. 8% in mainline churches.

33% believe in a litteral interpretation of scripture. 22% of mainline churches.

ONLY 71% have a firm belief in God. 73% in mainline churches.

Obama actually said something I can agree with.:mad:

3Scoreland10,
Please cite where you got your statistics, so we can read the articles.
I tried to find several of the stats and could not find them.
I want to read up on the context of the stats.

Thanks.
 
3Scoreland10,
Please cite where you got your statistics, so we can read the articles.
I tried to find several of the stats and could not find them.
I want to read up on the context of the stats.

Thanks.

PewResearch Religion & public life project.
 
This nation isn't the first or second beast. It is the harlot seated on top of the first beast with seven heads and ten horns. Rev chapter seventeen and eighteen. And you are right it is not a Christian nation. It was but it's not any more.

I agree with this as I believe the U.S. is the daughter of Babylon as found blended in with Babylon in 8 or 9 O.T. chapters and 4 N.T. chapters.