Was Obama right?

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just so we're dealing with something a little more factual than emotional. ..

according to Wiki America ranks 95th in percent of population professing Christian belief among nations.

here's a link -- Christianity by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

because the USA is so low ranked on the list, i hit the character limit trying to post the table here.

Botswana is more of a "Christian Nation" than America is. Botswana and 94 other nations.

it's just the math.

one might note that America is known world-wide for her arrogance, pride, boastfulness and mis-characterization of herself as the 'moral compass' of the earth. we're a self-aggrandizing group of rich hypocrites is what we are, not "god's chosen people (nevermind Israel)"

posthuman, tell me then, when was the kingdom of God taken from America and given to Botswana or some other "more of a Christian nation?"
 
Is the United Stated a Christian nation? Well, let's see.

Since Roe v Wade we have systematically murdered 54 million unborn babies.

The divorce rate is now well over 50%.

Adultery is regarded as fashionable and sexual promiscuity is encouraged even among our youth as the acceptable norm.

The exercise of self control is not only a lost art but is now considered as an unrealistic expectation.

Homosexuality is embraced in every corner of society, even within the Church. Not only has it received social acceptance, it is now protected by lawmakers.

God has been incrementally removed from our schools, our work places and from social events. It has become unpopular and even criminal to speak of God.

The Word of God has become the enemy of the state.

Moral integrity has collapsed within our nation and all that is evil has become good and that which is good has become evil. Our nation has become so morally bankrupt that it can no longer distinguish between good and evil, right or wrong.

One can now be held legally accountable for publicly denouncing sin in any of its forms. It is regarded by the social sciences to be psychologically damaging to call someone a sinner.

We have become a nation obsessed with catering to our vanities. We deny ourselves nothing. Every commercial on television is designed to appeal either to our sense of vanity or to our desire for convenience.

We have become a nation obsessed with constant entertainment that steals our time and resources.

Is the United Stated a Christian nation? It certainly does not seem to fit the profile.

I am Indonesian but reside in United State.
Yesterday my pastor preach from Kings, He believe just like Israel when run from the Lord, then the Lord stop the rain for some time, he believe when United State run from the Lord, the Lord will stop the rain with translate as economic collapse.


And I believe what my pastor said is on the way.
 
here's some visual reference for my post above:

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You will notice that bottom visual is color coded based upon growth only, not on a total number of Christians. Even then, many of the people classified as Christian in these nations would be Maryology type Catholics, Mormons, and other cult types. These maps are not showing the type of Christian in America's "Bible belt." These other nations do not have a "Bible belt." America does, but they do not.

The top visual is color coded to include a type of Christian whose concept of God is a woman in a blue robe, the woman they pray to as God. These nations, put together, would not have as many real Bible believing Christians as in America alone. If, as you claim, they are so much more Christian than America why is it always America who is sending them missionaries and Bibles? Why is it never the other way around?
It doesn't take much in the way of critical thinking skills to debunk the criterion used by the above secular sources in defining what is a real Christian.



 
He has already judged the U.S the u.s is awaiting the destruction they laboured so hard for

Perhaps then Apostol2013, America, as a type of indulgence, should give more money to, and fight more unconstitutional wars, for the Pharisees in old Palestine and God will hold off destroying us. Right? After all, America's purpose is to blindly support the "synagogue of Satan" (Rev. 2:9; 3:9) is it not?
 
Peace be with you and all, and please, in compassion do witness for our selves, comparing the New Covenant and the body of CHRIST/church at operation for the Kingdom of GOD until today in this world, inwardly and outwardly.
Do their lives mirror in all the given written things that are spirit and life when practiced, working or worked in them so that the manifestation proves a reliable spirit and truth worshiper church.

The spirit and truth worshiper's manifestation will show the FATHER, SON and the HOLY SPIRIT words of the New Covenant flowing from inside of them and out. As they also prove to be ones who have 'abide' in the words of JESUS and the instructions of the Apostles and they did so and have become free and they 'bear fruits' and further also evidently visible that their fruits also 'abide' and remain 'united' as 'one body of CHRIST'.

Clearly the evidence is visible and justified as 'lawlessness' from the 'SPIRITUAL Law Book's justification' (the New Testament in the Holy Bible). Majority are using the gift of the HOLY SPIRIT and are continuing doing what is pleasing in their sight without a Spiritual lesson guide, slowly living away from the written New Covenant GOD has made with those who are called 'by Grace through faith' and further also called in lesson to add/supplement to their 'gifted' faith with knowledge/virtue of the Kingdom and etc in Apostle Peter's letter.

Time to repent from 'Lawlessness', failing to sustain a house, by failing to lay it on the rock, the strong foundation which the house will take a strong stand from many spiritual trails and will not ever fall.

As it is sadly written and in One's compassion it speaks; "The most important stone that the builders have rejected."

'The stone that became the first and corner stone of GOD's New Covenant Spiritual house.'

This is to remind and to stir up memory of the past, written that still stand 'the same yesterday, today, tomorrow and forever, Amen.'
 
The problem is that the ungodly are trying to force me/us to accept their ungodly lifestyle as the norm.
They call us bigots when we proclaim the truth.
Your are corect that we cannot force them to accept God's standards but we are commanded to point out their sin and try to lead them to Jesus.
As the ungodly grow in numbers and influence we lose. And this country is about lost.

I dont see how they are trying to force you to do something you do not believe in? The ONLY thing i see that might have gotten harder is that the temptation for the young is greater, so people go to the government and complain and when the government doesnt do anything, they then hate. then kids start to grow up with hate. and when their children learn hate they then blame it on the government and more hate is created into a never ending cycle. People need to start talking to each other not preaching to each other. Understand each other, whether you believe them or not doesnt have to be the defining parts. Every human can relate to any other human. when we start to do this you WILL see a change, it will take years but i believe that it is possible. if Christians put a wall up to defend themselves from a believed threat, Christians in-turn keep people out as well. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink.
 
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here's some visual reference for my post above:

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I was looking at this and thinking and saw alot of the more educated countries of the world are declining in Christians but alot of the repressed and uneducated countries is on the rise. just by the graph no research on my part i would state that when people arent educated and repressed its easier to bring them to the Christian way of life. When they are educated its harder since they think more critically. Im sure there are many other ways to look at it but in the higher educated countries i see 2 options, get rid of education or maybe change the way people's perception of the religion. Since Christians are the majority many, i believe, feel entitled that their way is the only logical way and forget other people have opinions and that they are supposed to lead them to church not drag, so they are hostile toward those who dont believe and others see this hostile behavior and run for the hills. Countries that are used to this behavior by their governments or culture it might not have an issue.

Just my opinion on looking at these diagrams. Its Puzzling to me so just wondering why the graphs show what they show.
 
The problem is that the ungodly are trying to force me/us to accept their ungodly lifestyle as the norm.
They call us bigots when we proclaim the truth.
Your are corect that we cannot force them to accept God's standards but we are commanded to point out their sin and try to lead them to Jesus.
As the ungodly grow in numbers and influence we lose. And this country is about lost.
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I would disagree on a few points.

1. They can not force you to do anything. Christians in Paul's day lived in the most immoral of circumstances. They not only had to deal with homosexual sin as the norm. But many types of immoral practices. Add on top of that paganism and its destructive practices. If you put pagan asia and europe next to modern day US. The Modern day US would still seem like a christian nation.

2. We are NOT commanded to show them their sin. We are commanded to show them their need for Christ through the Gospel, and how we show our love to them. Jesus did not alienate himself and protect himself from sinners like so many modern day churches are doing. (a prideful sin of the church I may add). He also did not go in and show them their sin. He showed them the love of God. and that love brought them to him, because he gave them hope the world could not give them. Paul did the same as did the rest of the apostles. It was the pharisees who came out judging people.

People should hate the church because it is changing lives, and taking their friends from them who do not wish to participate in their sinful ways anymore. Not because the church is alienating themselves, and being judgmental pharisee hypocrites who demand sinless lives when they can not even do it themselves. As scripture says. We can not obey the law, it is impossible. why would we demand someone do what we can not do?
 
I think you are wrong on this one brother. The book of Revelations says the woman is a city, not a church.

Revelations 17:18

And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.


You need to realize that the Vatican IS a City. Its both a Church and a State, so to speak. Vatican City, officially Vatican City State.
 
I am Indonesian but reside in United State.
Yesterday my pastor preach from Kings, He believe just like Israel when run from the Lord, then the Lord stop the rain for some time, he believe when United State run from the Lord, the Lord will stop the rain with translate as economic collapse.


And I believe what my pastor said is on the way.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]To illustrate the truth behind the words of Jesus in Matthew 6:31-32 we need only remember the charge given to Israel as they prepared to enter the land of Canaan. In Deuteronomy 28:8-24 Joshua reminds them of what the Lord had spoken to them at Sinai in Leviticus 26:3-33. Their success in the land would not be contingent upon their labors but upon the Lord. This did not suggest that they were not to do the plowing, the planting, and the harvesting. This was their part. If they would keep the Laws of the Lord, he would bless their cattle and give them the harvest of their labors in abundance. If however, they failed to obey the Lord, all of their labors would prove an exercise in futility. The Lord promised to send upon them curses, confusion, and frustration in all that they undertook to do. No amount of labor on their part could overturn what the Lord would bring against them. The land would not produce and what little it did produce would be devoured by their enemies, insects, and diseases. Rather than enjoying blessings, their land, their herds, and their labors would be cursed. Returning to the Lord would remove the curses and restore the blessings. Everything they enjoyed was contingent upon their continued relationship with the Almighty. He is the causative agent in all things and in all things man is nothing more than an incidental element within the equation.[/FONT]
 
I am Indonesian but reside in United State.
Yesterday my pastor preach from Kings, He believe just like Israel when run from the Lord, then the Lord stop the rain for some time, he believe when United State run from the Lord, the Lord will stop the rain with translate as economic collapse.


And I believe what my pastor said is on the way.

I agree with this as sexual perversion is the (straw) that breaks the camel's back and is a sure sign of impending judgment...Book of Romans
 
Question....

Is it biblical to have a man made law that allows men to worship God anyway they please?....John 4

Go stand on a corner in a big city and preach while slamming homosexuals, abortion and a few other contrary ways of life and see how long it takes to be arrested under the banner of hate speech.

The government has labeled all who believe in the bible as (cult members)

If you mouth Christianity you are accepted and even embraced by the majority of society, but if you make a stand on Christian values and teaching you are labeled a bigot, uneducated, backwards, stupid, a fool etc....

This country has run it's course and all signs point to a fall and judgment by God.

Even a study of secular history concerning (The Empire that was Rome) will show that this nation is following the same course/path that Rome took and the end result will always be the same when biblical Christianity is sidelined in favor of wickedness and anti-Christian values.
 
Question....

Is it biblical to have a man made law that allows men to worship God anyway they please?....John 4

Go stand on a corner in a big city and preach while slamming homosexuals, abortion and a few other contrary ways of life and see how long it takes to be arrested under the banner of hate speech.

The government has labeled all who believe in the bible as (cult members)

If you mouth Christianity you are accepted and even embraced by the majority of society, but if you make a stand on Christian values and teaching you are labeled a bigot, uneducated, backwards, stupid, a fool etc....

This country has run it's course and all signs point to a fall and judgment by God.

Even a study of secular history concerning (The Empire that was Rome) will show that this nation is following the same course/path that Rome took and the end result will always be the same when biblical Christianity is sidelined in favor of wickedness and anti-Christian values.

Question.

Who was it that stood on the street corner slamming sexually immoral people, drunkards and other types of immoral practices?

The Pharisees?

Or Jesus?

Should we act like the pharisees, or like Jesus?
 
I was looking at this and thinking and saw alot of the more educated countries of the world are declining in Christians but alot of the repressed and uneducated countries is on the rise. just by the graph no research on my part i would state that when people arent educated and repressed its easier to bring them to the Christian way of life. When they are educated its harder since they think more critically. Im sure there are many other ways to look at it but in the higher educated countries i see 2 options, get rid of education or maybe change the way people's perception of the religion. Since Christians are the majority many, i believe, feel entitled that their way is the only logical way and forget other people have opinions and that they are supposed to lead them to church not drag, so they are hostile toward those who dont believe and others see this hostile behavior and run for the hills. Countries that are used to this behavior by their governments or culture it might not have an issue.

Just my opinion on looking at these diagrams. Its Puzzling to me so just wondering why the graphs show what they show.

Yes, you can see a correlation between more educated countries and a rejection of Jesus. However, this rejection is not based on critical thinking. Being uneducated is not a qualifier for being a Christian. The real issue at hand is a simple matter of pride. The more you know, or the more you think you know, the more prideful you become. When you become prideful, you think you don't need God and that you know better than God, hence the rejection of God. It's not a matter of being educated or uneducated, it's a matter of if your increase of knowledge makes you prideful or not.
 
God has used the Saints of the US to spread the Gospel to the world. For many years Christian values were the values of this nation. One might say we were a Christian nation.
But fact is fact. We are no longer predominantly Christian.
And just as God judged Israel for their willful rejection of Him, He will judge the US.
The only question is, how soon.

You did not answer the question. If America, the most significant nation in world history, is not "...the nation bearing the fruits thereof" (Matt. 21:43), then who is?
 
You did not answer the question. If America, the most significant nation in world history, is not "...the nation bearing the fruits thereof" (Matt. 21:43), then who is?

America would by no means be the most significant nation in History. whoever claimed this would be mistaken!.
 
I dont see how they are trying to force you to do something you do not believe in? The ONLY thing i see that might have gotten harder is that the temptation for the young is greater, so people go to the government and complain and when the government doesnt do anything, they then hate. then kids start to grow up with hate. and when their children learn hate they then blame it on the government and more hate is created into a never ending cycle. People need to start talking to each other not preaching to each other. Understand each other, whether you believe them or not doesnt have to be the defining parts. Every human can relate to any other human. when we start to do this you WILL see a change, it will take years but i believe that it is possible. if Christians put a wall up to defend themselves from a believed threat, Christians in-turn keep people out as well. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink.


Do you pay taxes?---->taxes fund ?????
 
Question.

Who was it that stood on the street corner slamming sexually immoral people, drunkards and other types of immoral practices?

The Pharisees?

Or Jesus?

Should we act like the pharisees, or like Jesus?

You missed the point and exactly what did Ezekiel mean when he discussed at length about warning the wicked man of his way and YOU being held accountable if YOU choose to keep YOUR mouth shut and refuse to warn the wicked of their ways.

The Pharisees were lost men who held themselves above the people and is not compared to a saved person (preaching) on the corner doing EXACTLY WHAT JESUS TELLS US TO DO WHICH IS----->WARN THE WICKED OF THEIR WAYS...