10 Ireconsilable Question The "Modern Pharisees " Can Not Answer.

[4enlightment]

Physically??? Now Try Hebr 11:27 How Did He See The Invisible ? If It Is Spiritually Then They ALL Have Seen Him, But
Here Speak Only Moses Saw Him, Now Try Num 14:14 What Seen The Lord Face To Face Means , Let Not Change Or Wrest
The Scriptures Is Not Good Practice ,Because Of 2 Pet 3:16..Scriptures Please.......

16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Yes, that is why I'm here, to set things right...The old way has left people confused, and the atheist with more ammo to fight with.

 

[Vernon]

this thread shows that this site has a lot of people who hold unorthodox beliefs, further example of the church's fallen state.
apostates claiming to abide in the truth, the son of perdition should be revealing himself soon.

 

[john832]

this thread shows that this site has a lot of people who hold unorthodox beliefs, further example of the church's fallen state.
apostates claiming to abide in the truth, the son of perdition should be revealing himself soon.

He'll put on his fish head hat and begin doing wonders and calling fire down from heaven very soon.

 

[Vernon]

lol fishhead hat funny

 

[Nick1939]

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

If Jesus is God but Not God then you have two Gods. That is a big problem as the bible clearly states there is only one God (Deut. 6:4). The Jehovah's Witnesses claim Jesus is a small god but Jehovah is The God. This means they have two Gods (polytheism).

At Least The Jw 's Have Two, For Polytheism, But The Trinitarians Have TREE. And Yet ONE? Who Have Heard Such A Thing???

 

[tucksma]

The doctrine of trinity is scriptural.

There is one Supreme Being, God, who eternally exists in three Persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
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These indicate plurality within the Godhead:

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
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Genesis 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
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Jesus is fully God and fully man, and possesses all divine attributes.

Colossians 2:8-9
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
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Jesus is neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit. Here we see the activity of all three Persons in the Godhead:
- Jesus baptised,
- God the Father testified of Jesus' eternal sonship,
- and the Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus

Matthew 3:16-17
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
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The "us" in genesis is Elohim, which is God and the angels. Angels are called Elohim frequently. Moses is also called Elohim at least once that I know of. God can be called Elohim, but Elohim doesn't ALWAYS mean God.

So because the english version just says "God" doesn't mean it is just the father, just a triune God, or any such things. Elohim can mean angels as well. Elohim simply means "mighty ones" based off how it is used in scripture. Genesis 1 proves no trinity.

 

[starfield]

The "us" in genesis is Elohim, which is God and the angels. Angels are called Elohim frequently. Moses is also called Elohim at least once that I know of. God can be called Elohim, but Elohim doesn't ALWAYS mean God.

So because the english version just says "God" doesn't mean it is just the father, just a triune God, or any such things. Elohim can mean angels as well. Elohim simply means "mighty ones" based off how it is used in scripture. Genesis 1 proves no trinity.

So angels participated in creation? That's totally scriptural...

 

[homwardbound]

Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

 

[homwardbound]

16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Yes, that is why I'm here, to set things right...The old way has left people confused, and the atheist with more ammo to fight with.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
He came in the flesh with a life-giving Spirit being born of a Virgin. He died to the flesh in this flesh and was risen back to life in the flesh and appeared to over 550 people, even hung around after his resurrection for forty days and ate with the disciples.
Then went and ascended, and today we know him no more in the flesh, rather now in the Spirit where we are justified, by this for God today can only be worshiped in Spirit and truth John 4:23-24 shows this as truth today. So daily we are to be co-crucified in the flesh and reckon ourselves dead to flesh,m since by the cross all sin has been condemned to flesh, Rom. 8:3 clear on that and 8:1 no condemnation being in the Spirit. Yet people bounce in and out of the Old Flesh trying to be righteous, better than the other and are fooled by this. Competition is a way of the world and not of God at all

1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

 

[john832]

The "us" in genesis is Elohim, which is God and the angels. Angels are called Elohim frequently. Moses is also called Elohim at least once that I know of. God can be called Elohim, but Elohim doesn't ALWAYS mean God.

So because the english version just says "God" doesn't mean it is just the father, just a triune God, or any such things. Elohim can mean angels as well. Elohim simply means "mighty ones" based off how it is used in scripture. Genesis 1 proves no trinity.

This is some of the worst exegesis I have ever heard.

 

[tucksma]

So angels participated in creation? That's totally scriptural...

God uses angels to do his work all the time, so yes it is.

The more you study how god works the more you realize just how much the angels do. Like 99% of the time when God says he did something, it was an angel under decree of God.

For example giving the law to Moses was an angel, not God. In the OT it says God but in the NT it says it was an angel, showing that angels can take the name of God, if they are doing work given by him.

 

[tucksma]

This is some of the worst exegesis I have ever heard.

To say it is a triune God is just the same for Elohim doesn't mean a triune GOd, you all assume it does in this scenario.

THe reason it fits to be the angels is because of how MANY times an angel will be doing the work of God, yet be called God. Also angels are called Elohim. So it fits for the Elohim in Gen. to be God and the angels.

 

[GregoryC]

To say it is a triune God is just the same for Elohim doesn't mean a triune GOd, you all assume it does in this scenario.

THe reason it fits to be the angels is because of how MANY times an angel will be doing the work of God, yet be called God. Also angels are called Elohim. So it fits for the Elohim in Gen. to be God and the angels.

Angels are created beings not creators. You are mistaken here.

 

[tucksma]

Angels are created beings not creators. You are mistaken here.

A created being created to do the work of the lord.

From what I've read, it seems like angels were alive pre-creation of the earth, so it is VERY plausible that the angels helped God in creating us.

For example, we are made in their image right. Well many times when angels are shown in the bible, people don't even realize it at first because they look like us.

Also is there a verse that says angels were created? I've never looked into that, I assumed they were. Looking back on it I don't know of a verse saying they were though.

 

[GregoryC]

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth....

If it is as you assume and angels assisted in creation ,that verse should read God and the angels right? But is does not say that.

 

[tucksma]

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth....

If it is as you assume and angels assisted in creation ,that verse should read God and the angels right? But is does not say that.

It says Elohim though, which CAN mean god and the angels, or it can mean a triune God, or it CAN mean the judges of Israel, or it CAN mean Moses. We base what Elohim is off context, because it doesn't always mean God. Obviously Moses and the judges of Israel aren't the case in here because they didn't exist, I was just showing you that Elohim isn't a concrete word. It is possible though that it means God and the angels.

Also going off how often GOd uses the angels, its even more likely it was both him and the angels.

 

[starfield]

God uses angels to do his work all the time, so yes it is.

The more you study how god works the more you realize just how much the angels do. Like 99% of the time when God says he did something, it was an angel under decree of God.

For example giving the law to Moses was an angel, not God. In the OT it says God but in the NT it says it was an angel, showing that angels can take the name of God, if they are doing work given by him.

Christianity 101: The sovereign God alone created the universe; He did not collaborate with any of His creation.

Job 26:13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Isaiah 45:11 Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.
Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Colossians 1:13-16
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

 

[john832]

this thread shows that this site has a lot of people who hold unorthodox beliefs, further example of the church's fallen state.
apostates claiming to abide in the truth, the son of perdition should be revealing himself soon.

The orthodox beliefs would be those of the RCC?

 

[john832]

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth....

If it is as you assume and angels assisted in creation ,that verse should read God and the angels right? But is does not say that.

God created the angels.

 

[john832]

To say it is a triune God is just the same for Elohim doesn't mean a triune GOd, you all assume it does in this scenario.

THe reason it fits to be the angels is because of how MANY times an angel will be doing the work of God, yet be called God. Also angels are called Elohim. So it fits for the Elohim in Gen. to be God and the angels.

Haven't read what I posted, did ya?