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If you think that was the Father, then Christ LIED...
Joh 5:37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
Joh 6:46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.
1Jn 4:12 No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.
How about reconciling this if you believe Christ and the Father are the same person.
OK, and so? The promise of receiving the Holy Spirit proves the trinity how?
You certainly don't understand the song of songs.
And yet...
Joh 5:37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
That passage absolutely proves the Father and Christ were two different personages. Moses saw Christ but no one has ever seen the Father.
???What has this to do with the trinity.
OK, we are supposed to pray to the Father...
Joh 14:13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Shouldn't that say that I may glorify myself if they are the same person?
Joh 16:26 In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father for you;
We have direct access to the Father. Christ prayed to the Father? If the trinity is a real doctrine, He would have been praying to Himself. Speaking of which, who was He praying to here?
Luk 22:42 saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done."
Was He saying this to Himself? Whose will was supposed to be done here?
OK and that proves the trinity how?
Joh 5:37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
Joh 6:46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.
1Jn 4:12 No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.
How about reconciling this if you believe Christ and the Father are the same person.
OK, and so? The promise of receiving the Holy Spirit proves the trinity how?
You certainly don't understand the song of songs.
And yet...
Joh 5:37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
That passage absolutely proves the Father and Christ were two different personages. Moses saw Christ but no one has ever seen the Father.
???What has this to do with the trinity.
OK, we are supposed to pray to the Father...
Joh 14:13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Shouldn't that say that I may glorify myself if they are the same person?
Joh 16:26 In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father for you;
We have direct access to the Father. Christ prayed to the Father? If the trinity is a real doctrine, He would have been praying to Himself. Speaking of which, who was He praying to here?
Luk 22:42 saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done."
Was He saying this to Himself? Whose will was supposed to be done here?
OK and that proves the trinity how?
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Really this is redundant and will lead no where as it is evident where you stand, to answer questions with questions is not answering the questions, and on top of that, at best this is frivolous as God is God, can do what he wants, his ways are higher than our ways and when we try to understand the complete concept of God and God's being will always fall short as we are finite in our understanding and blinded by our own ignorance's concerning many things.
The bible teaches a three fold view...In the name of...when immersing
Language teaches One God manifest three ways
A human body and who we are teaches a 3 in one principle
numerous examples are found in nature that teach a three in one principle
God uses examples of three's to teach concepts in (ones) all through the bible
concept-----> If I am King, My son could/would be representative of myself and my kingship (if you will)..The Words that come from my Son from me would be representative of me and equal to me as if I were standing there. Holy (Breath) Spirit
Father=Intellect/will of God
Son=Pressed out Invisible Intellect of God in Flesh
Holy Spirit=Spoken word from the Intellect through the Son of God
Together collectively as well as separately they=GOD
The bible teaches a three fold view...In the name of...when immersing
Language teaches One God manifest three ways
A human body and who we are teaches a 3 in one principle
numerous examples are found in nature that teach a three in one principle
God uses examples of three's to teach concepts in (ones) all through the bible
concept-----> If I am King, My son could/would be representative of myself and my kingship (if you will)..The Words that come from my Son from me would be representative of me and equal to me as if I were standing there. Holy (Breath) Spirit
Father=Intellect/will of God
Son=Pressed out Invisible Intellect of God in Flesh
Holy Spirit=Spoken word from the Intellect through the Son of God
Together collectively as well as separately they=GOD
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Truly trying to understand here??? The trinity is deity always existed no beginning and no end as I understand it... Because Jesus died to save us then it makes us sons and daughters of God but we are all human created beings right? So I still believe in a trinity but Yes God can include us into His family but that does not make me a God right? Please help me understand your position. Thanks.
Truly trying to understand here??? The trinity is deity always existed no beginning and no end as I understand it... Because Jesus died to save us then it makes us sons and daughters of God but we are all human created beings right? So I still believe in a trinity but Yes God can include us into His family but that does not make me a God right? Please help me understand your position. Thanks.
that is the main problem with understanding the trinity or if jesus is god. ppl dont understand and it doesnt make sense to them so many because it doesnt add up write it up as false.
Jesus was worshipped as god and he forgave sins- both of which only god can have and do. since no one is able to explain this when they dont believe in the trinity that alone is proof enough. because if they attempted to while trying to to disprove the trinity then jesus would be a liar and manipulator and the pharasees were right and the gospels are a joke.
so u see the issue isnt is jesus god the issue is it is beyond our human understanding. why do u think we are told not to lean on our own understanding?
Jesus was worshipped as god and he forgave sins- both of which only god can have and do. since no one is able to explain this when they dont believe in the trinity that alone is proof enough. because if they attempted to while trying to to disprove the trinity then jesus would be a liar and manipulator and the pharasees were right and the gospels are a joke.
so u see the issue isnt is jesus god the issue is it is beyond our human understanding. why do u think we are told not to lean on our own understanding?
I wonder can anyone distinguish the difference between the winds that has came from the north from the winds that has came the south by sight? We can see them from by their works by looking at the directions the trees are swaying; that is how we can see the winds. Essence is the spirit of a thing, and which the people in those times didn't know anything about it, and so was trying to describe it to them by using something natural like a parable so that they will have something to compare it to, because they didn't know how to capture the essence like a poet that can.
Matthew 13:24
Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.
Matthew 13:33
He told them still another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like yeast that a woman took and mixed into about sixty pounds of flour until it worked all through the dough.”
Matthew 13:44
“The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field.
Matthew 13:11
He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.
Luke 24:44
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”
“The energy of the mind is the essence of life.”
― Aristotle, The Philosophy of Aristotle
tags: energy, essence, life-lessons, mind
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Matthew 13:24
Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.
Matthew 13:33
He told them still another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like yeast that a woman took and mixed into about sixty pounds of flour until it worked all through the dough.”
Matthew 13:44
“The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field.
Matthew 13:11
He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.
Luke 24:44
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”
“The energy of the mind is the essence of life.”
― Aristotle, The Philosophy of Aristotle
tags: energy, essence, life-lessons, mind
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It is also important to distinguish Essence, or spirit, from "soul." The fundamental ground of our Being is Essence or Spirit, but it takes a form we call "the soul." Our personality is a particular aspect of our soul. Our soul is "made of" Essence or Spirit. If Spirit were water, soul would be a particular lake or river, and personality would be waves on its surface—or frozen chunks of ice in the river.
Generally, we do not experience our Essence and its many aspects because our awareness is so dominated by our personality. But as we learn to bring awareness to our personality, it becomes more transparent and we are able to experience our Essence more directly. We still function in the world, but with a growing realization of our connection with Divinity. We become aware that we are part of a Divine Presence all around us and in us that is constantly and miraculously unfolding.
https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/articles/NArtPandE.asp
Generally, we do not experience our Essence and its many aspects because our awareness is so dominated by our personality. But as we learn to bring awareness to our personality, it becomes more transparent and we are able to experience our Essence more directly. We still function in the world, but with a growing realization of our connection with Divinity. We become aware that we are part of a Divine Presence all around us and in us that is constantly and miraculously unfolding.
https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/articles/NArtPandE.asp
okay and to each their own Sister. For he said:
[h=3]Matthew 13:9-11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? [SUP]11 [/SUP]He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Luke 8:10
And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
How if one does not understand physical analogies, how will one ever understand spiritual realities?
[h=3]Matthew 13:9-11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? [SUP]11 [/SUP]He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Luke 8:10
And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
How if one does not understand physical analogies, how will one ever understand spiritual realities?
Let's see, what is God's plan?
Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
God is making children in His image and His likeness, what are they?
Rom 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
We will be like Christ. Not different, like Him. What is He? God. What will we be like? Him. We will be like God. We will be God. Christ says so...
Psa 82:6 I said, "You are gods, And all of you are children of the Most High.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I SAID, "YOU ARE GODS" '?
Now Christ Himself says we are to be gods. Never in power, authority, glory or honor as the Father and Christ, nevertheless, we will be His children and like Him.
Are your children insects or cats? Or are they humans, just like you?
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
God is making children in His image and His likeness, what are they?
Rom 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
We will be like Christ. Not different, like Him. What is He? God. What will we be like? Him. We will be like God. We will be God. Christ says so...
Psa 82:6 I said, "You are gods, And all of you are children of the Most High.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I SAID, "YOU ARE GODS" '?
Now Christ Himself says we are to be gods. Never in power, authority, glory or honor as the Father and Christ, nevertheless, we will be His children and like Him.
Are your children insects or cats? Or are they humans, just like you?
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
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That IS THE PROBLEM ,With Many To Day ,They Don't Know WHO WAS Back Then,That The Scriptures Reffering ,And God Said ,In Gen 3:8-11 Why Adam Hid From The Presence Of God,After He Eat The Fruit? While Day Before He MUST Have
Seen Him? NOW Try To Explain This, John 1:18 NO MAN( no Adam,No Moses,NO ONE,) Hath Seen GOD At Any TIMEEEEE.
The Only Begotten SON ,Who Is In The Bosom Of The FATHER, He Hath Declared Him. ,,,,,
Compare This With 1 Tim 6:15-16 So Who Is The ONLY Potentate, Who Is Who Only Hath Immortality, And Who Is He
Who NO MAN HATH SEEN, NOR CAN SEE?.. If You Can Find Out Who This Is, Then You Will Be Able To Understand The
Above 10 Questions, Remember People In The Past Saw And Talk To God,But The Above Verses Say Otherwise, So What Is The Truth? .........God Bless.....
Seen Him? NOW Try To Explain This, John 1:18 NO MAN( no Adam,No Moses,NO ONE,) Hath Seen GOD At Any TIMEEEEE.
The Only Begotten SON ,Who Is In The Bosom Of The FATHER, He Hath Declared Him. ,,,,,
Compare This With 1 Tim 6:15-16 So Who Is The ONLY Potentate, Who Is Who Only Hath Immortality, And Who Is He
Who NO MAN HATH SEEN, NOR CAN SEE?.. If You Can Find Out Who This Is, Then You Will Be Able To Understand The
Above 10 Questions, Remember People In The Past Saw And Talk To God,But The Above Verses Say Otherwise, So What Is The Truth? .........God Bless.....
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Physically??? Now Try Hebr 11:27 How Did He See The Invisible ? If It Is Spiritually Then They ALL Have Seen Him, But
Here Speak Only Moses Saw Him, Now Try Num 14:14 What Seen The Lord Face To Face Means , Let Not Change Or Wrest
The Scriptures Is Not Good Practice ,Because Of 2 Pet 3:16..Scriptures Please.......
Here Speak Only Moses Saw Him, Now Try Num 14:14 What Seen The Lord Face To Face Means , Let Not Change Or Wrest
The Scriptures Is Not Good Practice ,Because Of 2 Pet 3:16..Scriptures Please.......
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Let's read Exodus 24:9-11 and discuss:
Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.
Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.