Tongues - Conclusion

[endtimes]

In past discussions of speaking in tongues, there have been certain of those that seem to have a grudge against, even a hatred for this. Please understand that the original thread did say that God desires to give (in one mode or another) for everyone born of the spirit.

If we don't speak in tongues, although many here do, ... then we should at least desire what God Himself has waiting.

1Co_14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

 

[Reformedjason]

I have no haterd for tongues. I believe it has it's place. It must be interpreted and is not just babbling. It is not for all believers but for the ones with this gift.

 

[fredjames]

Peace be with you Babes in CHRIST and please read 1Corinthians chapter 12-14 for CHRIST's justification;
1. About the diversify of gifts that are placed in believers ('in order to serve and not to be served'). Not everyone have the same gifts. Each one have their duties to perform for the Kingdom of GOD.
2. Desire the best gift.
3. Most of all practice love for one another while using these gifts.
4. Speaking in tongues, one must also ask the gift of interpretation.
5. Not to forbid tongue speaking in the meeting places.
6. With interpretation, only two or three be allowed to speak in tongues at one time and others may take turns.
7. If there is no interpretation to what these tongues mean, They are to remain silent and pray quietly in their hearts between themselves and GOD.
8. I rather beseech them to prophesy, the best gift that they can bring people to repentance, a touch between a sinner and GOD.

In the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST, may i ask you dear endtimes, who is it that have grudge against who and who hates who? Are they not the ones who are proud and brag about their given gift, speaking in tongues. They truthfully fail to understand that 1 Corinthians chapter 12-14 also speaks about them and other, correcting them and straightening them to use the gifts in an obedient and orderly manner rather than going wild in a peaceful meeting place, the kingdom of GOD here on earth.

Who is it truthfully my dear, are the ones that are ignorantly having the grudges and hatred against, especially the written Holy Scripture, called the GOD made New Covenant with us by the blood of JESUS, which was`inspired by the HOLY SPIRIT through lame men for us to 'abide' and bear fruits and our fruits must 'abide'.

Not too late friends, to turn back to the GOD of the Holy Scripture and by the Help of the LORD JESUS CHRIST through the HOLY SPIRIT and come into submission and obedience to all of them.

Then you have all wisely 'worked out your Salvation in fear and trembling' towards 'GOD's every Word (CHRIST) that proceeded out of HIS mouth' through CHRIST and the HOLY SPIRIT.

All Honor, All Praise and All Glory and togetherness with all joy and thankfulness, be to our GOD, the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, forever and ever, Amen.

 

[p_rehbein]

I accept that speaking in tongues/other languages is a gift of the Spirit because the Bible says it is.

However, it is NOT the ONE true, all proving of salvation gift that some would make it out to be. It is just one of the gifts of the Spirit, and even the Apostle Paul counted it as being far less of a gift than the other gifts.

The problem I have is when people tell me I am not saved, sanctified if I don't speak in tongues.......that is not Biblical. It is a false understanding of Scripture in my opinion.

The gift of "tongues" was/is given for the express purpose of spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ throughout the world. It is not a form of personal entertainment........but, now, that is just my opinion.........so......

But surely "hate" is a strong term to apply to a conversation about the gift of tongues.

The Apostle spoke in more tongues than all others, but HE counted it as "naught." Maybe there is a lesson to be learned there yes? Well, maybe...........

 

[just-me]

I have determined that the gift of tongues today is esteemed higher by some as the greatest spiritual gift one can have, because it's so extraordinary and noticeable. That means that it is being abused even though it is still a gift for today as it was during the time of Paul. Whatever is spoken must be understood.

1 Corinthians 14:5-6 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

Luke 6:45 (KJV)
[SUP]45 [/SUP]A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

Some say they have a prayer tongue that is different than speaking in tongues, even though they don't know what they are saying themselves, but claiming it as a spiritual uplifting experience. If praying is going to be an uplifting experience, it has to be accompanied with understanding to be fruitful to the one praying, as Paul teaches.

1 Corinthians 14:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

1 Corinthians 14:37-38 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP]If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

 

[nathan3]

The thing is, people are not reading 1 Cor 14 correctly, as its written. The word tongues used there, means a language you were born with. It dose not mean the tongue of Acts 2; which had no need of an interpreter.

The ones Paul is talking about there, is actually languages we speak plainly here on earth, which need a translator if your going to want to teach others, to edify them, but they only understand their own language. In that case there needs to be an interpreter. That is what Paul is teaching in 1 Cor 14.





Default Greek Definition: Tongue .

The word Tongue ,in the Greek manuscripts it was taken means:
glōssa

gloce’-sah

Of uncertain affinity; the tongue ; by implication a language (specifically one naturally unacquired) : – tongue.

Now it documents in the definition : this is not the tongue of the mouth .

It is the Language of the mouth .

Tongues means a language ; specifically a language that is present at birth, determined by factors present in an individual from birth : Innate : that is the meaning of un-acquired .




The word "Unknown" .

"Unknown" -

( The word ” unknown” was added by man , to carry the subject in the English, its normally found in Italics….

Rread again the definition for glōssa . It is a language present you grew up with .
The speaker naturally was raised with the language.

But in the context of its use, it would be foreign to the hearer : That is why the unknown was added.



We read in verse 1 Corinthians 14 : 3, prophecy is to teach others for edification exhortation .

If you speak in a language that the listener did not learn naturally ; that is the language of the teacher would be a foreign language to listener.

And they would Not understand the message of the teacher. The speakers message , would just be a mystery to the hearer.

Unless, they they had a interpreter for that specific language

 

[thecreationtutor]

In past discussions of speaking in tongues, there have been certain of those that seem to have a grudge against, even a hatred for this. Please understand that the original thread did say that God desires to give (in one mode or another) for everyone born of the spirit.

If we don't speak in tongues, although many here do, ... then we should at least desire what God Himself has waiting.

1Co_14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

The disdain usually comes from people elevating their gift as their theology, and acting, or saying indirectly that you must not have the Holy Spirit if you don't speak in tongues - or that there is a different "anointing" or knowledge that some believers just can't have without speaking in tongues.

The Denomination that this mostly comes out of doesn't actually have any root through the history of the church, not saying I agree with everything from the past, but 2000 years of people reading the same book, there should be some consistency you would think, at least be rooted in sound theology. Because of the lack of theology it has gone into other false churches easily. -- moot point

Usually these gifts are associated with experiences and feelings, which is the heart leading, when the mind is supposed to lead

- The greatest battlefield is the mind, and if someone can circumvent that mind and go right to the heart - you are brainwashed. Go to a "concert Christianity" event with strings that will make you cry, and notice how they sprinkle a verse or two, they could say anything in those concerts and the crowd would believe - it's scary

 

[thecreationtutor]

I have determined that the gift of tongues today is esteemed higher by some as the greatest spiritual gift one can have, because it's so extraordinary and noticeable. That means that it is being abused even though it is still a gift for today as it was during the time of Paul. Whatever is spoken must be understood.

1 Corinthians 14:5-6 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

Luke 6:45 (KJV)
[SUP]45 [/SUP]A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

Some say they have a prayer tongue that is different than speaking in tongues, even though they don't know what they are saying themselves, but claiming it as a spiritual uplifting experience. If praying is going to be an uplifting experience, it has to be accompanied with understanding to be fruitful to the one praying, as Paul teaches.

1 Corinthians 14:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

1 Corinthians 14:37-38 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP]If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

You would think this would be pretty plain, right? It's a testimony to that abuse IS going on, and the people involved in it, don't care. They oppose themselves, and you if you speak contrary to their experience - no wonder - disdain happens on both sides

 

[fredjames]

Peace be with you all. and once said and quoted from the Holy Scripture, is enough for the Babes in CHRIST or anyone to understand GOD's New Covenant through CHRIST and the HOLY SPIRIT our given Helper and Teacher, acting and responding in our unworthiness and undeserving manner, have already explained words of spirit and life, in using our given gift, in order to make them understand and furthermore, we no need to go on to use harshness and forcefulness to make them submit to the Kingdom of GOD.

If they want to continue, let us ignore and move on like CHRIST, to those who have faith in the Word, in what is shared for building and edifying the church to come into 'unity' as 'one thinker'.

We don't have to answer to any tread like this anymore unless it is Truthfully necessary, but further on, that when remaining, this may slow us down and be discouraged and out be of mind, failing to help others who are Truthfully in need.

They are just Babes in CHRIST and are excited to the happenings in the gifts realm.

The chosen Apostles of CHRIST, our forefather of New Foundation faith, in their written epistles to the churches, have faced them all, believers who have come from diversify previous culture, in their time of given services to the churches and have boldly justified, also documented in their written words, in order by the very will of CHRIST, goodness to bring them all into orderly worship and conduct in oneness, worshiping the LIVING GOD in spirit and truth and be anointed that we are also learning witnesses to all and sharing, the 'Grace and Truth' written documentation of CHRIST of the New Covenant, continuing to further build and edify HIS lambs and sheep, whether we like them or not, but they are the justified Eternal Life called ones, now growing in the Kingdom of GOD.

 

[endtimes]

In the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST, may i ask you dear endtimes, who is it that have grudge against who and who hates who? Are they not the ones who are proud and brag about their given gift, speaking in tongues. They truthfully fail to understand that 1 Corinthians chapter 12-14 also speaks about them and other, correcting them and straightening them to use the gifts in an obedient and orderly manner rather than going wild in a peaceful meeting place, the kingdom of GOD here on earth.

Here is the link that this thread is referring to:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/85143-speaking-tongues-controversy.html

 

[notuptome]

I have a question. Tongues are a sign. Signs are for the Jews according to scripture. Where are the Jews when this sign gift is being evidenced?

Ok I have two questions. The sign of tongues represents what exactly? Many claim the presence of the Holy Spirit which I can agree to but what is the significance of the sign? When I see diversity of languages in the scripture it is associated with judgment. Babel was Gods judgment for mans sin. God told Israel that a people whose language they would not understand would carry them into captivity. So how does all this translate into the gift of tongues of today? Joel's prophecy was to the Jews not to all flesh save the gift of the Holy Spirit in salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[thecreationtutor]

I have a question. Tongues are a sign. Signs are for the Jews according to scripture. Where are the Jews when this sign gift is being evidenced?

Ok I have two questions. The sign of tongues represents what exactly? Many claim the presence of the Holy Spirit which I can agree to but what is the significance of the sign? When I see diversity of languages in the scripture it is associated with judgment. Babel was Gods judgment for mans sin. God told Israel that a people whose language they would not understand would carry them into captivity. So how does all this translate into the gift of tongues of today? Joel's prophecy was to the Jews not to all flesh save the gift of the Holy Spirit in salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Few posts make me think things I have never considered - hmmmz - wheels, spinning.... need paper.... pen.... out of ....reach

 

[nathan3]

Notuptome : Don't forget the Italian band ? They were gentiles. There are more scriptures that are along those lines; and they received the gift of the Holy Spirit.

But, the gift of thee H.S, in Acts 2, is not what Paul is taking about in 1 Cor 14. as talked about in the posts below. Joel the prophet was to Christians . Specifically Christians living in the end times at the appearance of Antichrist.

 

[fredjames]

Peace be with you beloved ones of CHRIST, please listen and pay attention to the Words of the LORD JESUS CHRIST, 'the author and finisher of our faith' who called us to be conformed and abiding according to the New Covenant.

It is written in 1 Corinthians chapter 13, verse 1 that there are two types of tongues;
1. There are 'tongues of humans'.
2. And 'tongues of angels'.

The book of Acts:
1. Tongues of humans;
These are tongues that the Apostles and believers received on the day of Pentecost in order to Prophesies that the Kingdom of GOD is at hand and salvation is for all people in the world that naturally consist of many dialects of communication. In fact the foreigners in Israel were astonished upon hearing lame men who were Jews from Galilee ('can anything good come from/out of Galilee'), speaking their traditional mother tongue prophesying and not what they hear today between themselves used in the common market place.

2. Tongues of angels;
Theses are tongues that the house of the Centurian, Cornelius received through Apostle Peter. These are tongues of intercession, angelic tongue in prayers to the LIVING GOD. That is why Apostle Paul mentioned about the requirement of interpretation in order to explain the meanings of these strange tongues, used for intercession in the meeting place when they meet together. Then others who do not have such gift may understand upon interpretation what the prayers is all about and at the end of it all, all together may agree and say, 'Amen'.

'HOLY SPIRIT gifts are not toys to enjoy and play with whenever we feel like it but they are heavenly precious tools given to build and edify, not 'oneself' but given in order to serve others in humble and humility, in unworthiness and undeserving manner for as it is written;

"Grace has been shown onto you, so show grace onto others."

The multitude of one's sins once documented and stand punishable justified in Heaven are now freely forgiven and erased. We have been permitted access through the gate (CHRIST) of Heaven because of only the unmerited favor/grace gift of the LIVING GOD, 'By grace through faith'. For I AM that I AM, in the name LORD JESUS CHRIST, who labors days and nights refusing to condemn anyone in hell.

But if we continue in ignorance and pride, also lacking in the knowledge and understandings of the FATHER's every Word about HIS Kingdom manners, then we are only accumulating for ourselves trouble for on judgement day and to be thrown out where there we will cry and greet our teeth in pain.

No one can deceive anyone by twisting the Holy scripture , taking out of context, preaching a new gospel in order to suit and make it all seem right regarding sins and selfish feelings and desires living anymore. For the Double Edged Sword, the Every Word of the LIVING GOD, that is sharper than any other swords is cutting into the depths of our hidden to others identity, in verily revealed plain and simple Grace and Truth.

"We cannot hide anything nor hide anywhere from HIM anymore, if we are truthfully Christian! We have to give HIM an account now then later when it is already too late'

'Don't waste your precious time in judging me, for i am no better than you all, for i know and i am guilty and ashamed of my poor walk state, in remorse according to the Living Truth.'

'i am not anyone's judge nor teacher but the LORD's witness and messenger proclaiming reminders and stir up of memories in accordance to the New Covenant given and made known to others, HIS Living truth from HIS FATHER for all to come secure into HIS Kingdom that last and never changes forever and ever, Amen.

 

[Yudahkid12]

11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
(Is 28:11 KJV)

20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: 25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
(1Cor 14:20-25 KJV)

 

[nathan3]

11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
(Is 28:11 KJV)

Stammering is not a good thing :


לעג

lâ‛êg

law-ayg'

From H3932 ; a buffoon ; also a foreigner: - {mocker} stammering.


It is also used another place in the Bible and definitely not in connection to the H.S


Psalm 35:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 With hypocritical mockers* in feasts, they gnashed upon me with their teeth.

 

[phil112]

Paul said let all things be done unto edifying. I have heard "tongues" many times, and not one time did I see one person edified - except the one using "tongues"....using "tongues" to puff up themself. Tongues is passe. When that which is perfect is come then that which is in part shall be done away...the written word of God is perfect, and it is here now. When I became an adult I put away childish things. Time to grow up.

 

[fredjames]

Peace be with you dear beloved endtimes and thank you, be further justified in the Holy Scripture and be blessed in a sound mind in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST. Be not troubled with spiritual warfare because a lot of rubbish of the evil one is brought into this forum which need to straighten up to avoid deception and division among believers.

Some believers think that the Kingdom of GOD is based on their sightings, thinking, understanding, opinions and standards. It is as we are clever than the HOLY SPIRIT the Teacher of HIS inspired Holy Scripture in the Holy Bible. We even give advice to GOD, how to make this world a better place.

As it is clearly written; "Even satan disguises himself as an angel of light and it is not surprising that his servants disguises themselves as servants of righteousness."

The Apostles reminds and stir up the memory of the church, 'from their initial lesson given to them, learn to distinguish between the spirit of error and the spirit of truth'.

 

[Yudahkid12]

Stammering is not a good thing :


לעג

lâ‛êg

law-ayg'

From H3932 ; a buffoon ; also a foreigner: - {mocker} stammering.


It is also used another place in the Bible and definitely not in connection to the H.S


Psalm 35:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 With hypocritical mockers* in feasts, they gnashed upon me with their teeth.

Not sure if you think that I'm saying that speaking and tongue is anything more then the the gift of the H.S to talk to other nations that was not able to understand the the language that the disciples were speaking in

 

[nathan3]

Not sure if you think that I'm saying that speaking and tongue is anything more then the the gift of the H.S to talk to other nations that was not able to understand the the language that the disciples were speaking in

I thought you were using the Isaiah scripture in support of what some people are doing today . I'm not sure what other reason you could have been referencing Isaiah ; you didn't say.

I think Isaiah is teaching about a unrelated issue.