RETHINKING WHAT A CULT IS

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p_rehbein

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why did you skip part of the passage, and the part we are speaking of??

[SUP]6 [/SUP]I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, [SUP]7 [/SUP]which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. [SUP]9 [/SUP]As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

This is the part we are speaking of. This can be (and has been) confusing to many people.

It is not confusing at all in the greek.
I don't find any confusion in the KJV translation either...........but whatever..........I gave the particular points that Paul was making...........that being he did not rely on the wisdom/knowledge of man for his understanding/preaching of the Gospel of Christ.....but he relied on Christ.

Still, look, nothing wrong with studying original text/wording, BUT IF one states it is the only way to achieve true understanding of Scripture, then I disagree...........


Originally Posted by dcontroversal
And a primo example of why we should all study the words from the original languages if possible! The gospel of a different kind was Jesus plus works for salvation---->Galatians chapter three....

yep. lets not tell the KJV only cult we found another flaw in their perfect bible. We might start WW3, which will bring in the AntiChrist, Which will bring about Gods wrath.................etc etc


now, it may not be what either of you meant, but it is how it reads............perchance you should have gone with the "original" text? (that's me poking fun at you)

and please don't say you were not making fun of the KJV only folks.........read your words in red above............

so, anyway...............God bless and do as you believe you are led to do.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I don't find any confusion in the KJV translation either...........but whatever..........I gave the particular points that Paul was making...........that being he did not rely on the wisdom/knowledge of man for his understanding/preaching of the Gospel of Christ.....but he relied on Christ.

Still, look, nothing wrong with studying original text/wording, BUT IF one states it is the only way to achieve true understanding of Scripture, then I disagree...........
well I guess God is a God of confusion.

so be it..


the point paul was stressing, is that even if a Gospel has the name of Jesus in it does not mean it is a true gospel. How many people will end up in hell because they have a Gospel which has the name of jesus in it. yet do not understand the meaning of the passage you failed to mention in your post? I shudder to think how many
 

p_rehbein

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#83
well I guess God is a God of confusion.

so be it..


the point paul was stressing, is that even if a Gospel has the name of Jesus in it does not mean it is a true gospel. How many people will end up in hell because they have a Gospel which has the name of jesus in it. yet do not understand the meaning of the passage you failed to mention in your post? I shudder to think how many
I don't know about your god, but mine is not...............my God is fully able to impart the understanding of His Holy Word regardless of the text/language/version it is printed in............

and for the umpteenth time, I fully understood the gist of your comments..............and I pointed out the fallacy of the connotative message being presented............and, not for nothing, but you make a point again and again of my omitting part of the scripture quoted.............and all the while you do the same?

Maybe if you read the entire Chapter without cherry picking a couple of scriptures you would understand without having to turn to the original text? Dunno, maybe?

Galatians
1



1 .) Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
2 .) And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
3 .) Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
4 .) Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5 .) To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6 .) I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 .) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 .) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 .) As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 .) For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 .) But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 .) For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
13 .) For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 .) And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
15 .) But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 .) To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
17 .) Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
18 .) Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
19 .) But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
20 .) Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.
21 .) Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia;
22 .) And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:
23 .) But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
24 .) And they glorified God in me.

Galatians
2



1 .) Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.
2 .) And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
3 .) But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
4 .) And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
5 .) To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
6 .) But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
7 .) But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 .) (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
9 .) And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
10 .) Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
11 .) But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 .) For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 .) And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 .) But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
15 .) We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 .) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17 .) But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18 .) For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 .) For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 .) I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 .) I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

(shall I go on?)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I don't know about your god, but mine is not...............my God is fully able to impart the understanding of His Holy Word regardless of the text/language/version it is printed in............

and for the umpteenth time, I fully understood the gist of your comments..............and I pointed out the fallacy of the connotative message being presented............and, not for nothing, but you make a point again and again of my omitting part of the scripture quoted.............and all the while you do the same?

Maybe if you read the entire Chapter without cherry picking a couple of scriptures you would understand without having to turn to the original text? Dunno, maybe?

Galatians
1



1 .) Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
2 .) And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
3 .) Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
4 .) Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5 .) To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6 .) I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 .) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 .) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 .) As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 .) For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 .) But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 .) For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
13 .) For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 .) And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
15 .) But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 .) To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
17 .) Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
18 .) Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
19 .) But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
20 .) Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.
21 .) Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia;
22 .) And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:
23 .) But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
24 .) And they glorified God in me.

Galatians
2



1 .) Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.
2 .) And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
3 .) But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
4 .) And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
5 .) To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
6 .) But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
7 .) But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 .) (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
9 .) And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
10 .) Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
11 .) But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 .) For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 .) And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 .) But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
15 .) We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 .) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17 .) But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18 .) For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 .) For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 .) I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 .) I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

(shall I go on?)
Again, It is not about me, it is about others. I always knew what it meant, but when i found it in the greek. it made it so much more clearer, and easier to explain.

This is not even the problem passage. Acts 2: 38 is one of the major ones.

 

john832

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lo

lol. Well I would probably disagree with youalso. I do not see America having the characteristics of Babylon. But I do see America falling.. And it will be a hard fall. And the world will rejoice at her fallen state. and praise god as her cities go up in smoke.
Let me give you some ammo...

The good ole USA is Manasseh and Britain, Canada, Australia and Nwe Zealand are Ephraim. Together, these are the nations labelled Israel...

Gen 48:14 And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn.
Gen 48:15 And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day,
Gen 48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

OK, now that your weapon is loaded...

INCOMING>
 

JesusLives

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[h=3]1 Corinthians 13[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

I think we all should pay more attention to this above - than to denominational bashing of any church. If people are lead to a saving relationship with Jesus - I don't care what name is on the door.

 

Angela53510

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Let me give you some ammo...

The good ole USA is Manasseh and Britain, Canada, Australia and Nwe Zealand are Ephraim. Together, these are the nations labelled Israel...

Gen 48:14 And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn.
Gen 48:15 And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day,
Gen 48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

OK, now that your weapon is loaded...

INCOMING>
This has to be the most absurd eisegesis of that passage I have ever heard! Our nations did not even exist at the time of Jacob. Unless you are referring to the Natives, which I am not sure why you are saying this.

Projecting that we created Israel? I think it was the UN, actually, and not sure it was the best decision on their part. You do have some really weird beliefs!
 
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I don't find any confusion in the KJV translation either...........but whatever..........I gave the particular points that Paul was making...........that being he did not rely on the wisdom/knowledge of man for his understanding/preaching of the Gospel of Christ.....but he relied on Christ.

Still, look, nothing wrong with studying original text/wording, BUT IF one states it is the only way to achieve true understanding of Scripture, then I disagree...........


Originally Posted by dcontroversal
And a primo example of why we should all study the words from the original languages if possible! The gospel of a different kind was Jesus plus works for salvation---->Galatians chapter three....

yep. lets not tell the KJV only cult we found another flaw in their perfect bible. We might start WW3, which will bring in the AntiChrist, Which will bring about Gods wrath.................etc etc


now, it may not be what either of you meant, but it is how it reads............perchance you should have gone with the "original" text? (that's me poking fun at you)

and please don't say you were not making fun of the KJV only folks.........read your words in red above............

so, anyway...............God bless and do as you believe you are led to do.
Well the first set of words in red were mine and I made fun of no one, just simply gave a fine example of why we should study every word from the original....now Paul did you take your Prozac today<------DISCLAIMER THIS IS A JOKE!
 
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I don't know about your god, but mine is not...............my God is fully able to impart the understanding of His Holy Word regardless of the text/language/version it is printed in............

and for the umpteenth time, I fully understood the gist of your comments..............and I pointed out the fallacy of the connotative message being presented............and, not for nothing, but you make a point again and again of my omitting part of the scripture quoted.............and all the while you do the same?

Maybe if you read the entire Chapter without cherry picking a couple of scriptures you would understand without having to turn to the original text? Dunno, maybe?

Galatians
1



1 .) Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
2 .) And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
3 .) Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
4 .) Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5 .) To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6 .) I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 .) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 .) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 .) As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 .) For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 .) But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 .) For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
13 .) For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 .) And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
15 .) But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 .) To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
17 .) Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
18 .) Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
19 .) But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
20 .) Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.
21 .) Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia;
22 .) And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:
23 .) But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
24 .) And they glorified God in me.

Galatians
2



1 .) Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.
2 .) And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
3 .) But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
4 .) And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
5 .) To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
6 .) But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
7 .) But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 .) (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
9 .) And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
10 .) Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
11 .) But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 .) For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 .) And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 .) But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
15 .) We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 .) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17 .) But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18 .) For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 .) For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 .) I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 .) I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

(shall I go on?)
Only if you want to look ridiculous <----DISCLAIMER this is a joke HAH!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Well the first set of words in red were mine and I made fun of no one, just simply gave a fine example of why we should study every word from the original....now Paul did you take your Prozac today<------DISCLAIMER THIS IS A JOKE!
lol. I missed the second part.

I did not make fun of people. I was mocking a dangerous cult. I guess some people do not understand just how dangerous that cult is..Oh well.
 

notuptome

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No need to rethink when the evidence is obvious in this matter. Deny Gods grace and be labeled a cult. Seems very straight forward to me.

For the cause of Christ
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Hello there again,

when I was reading your posts about CASD church (adventist) and I came across to post from Jackson 123 (adventists deny eternal damnation (hell), and also to much dispute and speculates about heaven and eternal life on their part) and it is actually truth in my country in CASD too. Lot of things you mentioned here is not true (I mena not in my country), but this one is true. I remembered, that once I had heated discussion about this with my friends from CASD


So that is really bad... but I still stand behind what I said ...that they are christians and they are really good in arguing Bible, they have a great knowledge and I do remember, that I actually felt little bit dumb and unprepared and that I told myself that I surely must study more bible, cause my knowledge is not that good. My faith remained unwavering thou... and it was a good experience for me, and lesson, and I actually kinda enjoyed that discussion back then, hm.


But this is not what I wanted to say...


I just have to remind youall, that we have so many churches with big (or little) holes in dogmatics, or beliefs, and yet we dont label them as cult... or non christians


What about RC? They almost worsh the pope, believe in his infallibility, they pray to the saints..etc etc (now my apology to every roman catholic member here....I have few friends among RC and I respect them)
But Im telling you, if you try to call them (RC) a cult or non christians or sect, believe me, you would get laughed at by all europe ..


The same goes for pentacostals (I loved them bytheway and occasionally I go there) when they first came here from west with that ridiculous teaching about prosperity and healing.. all church was alarmed and rumours went from church to church in terms „brothers, be aware false west nonsence came here...“


Or baptist (o mine I hope that never ever noone from my family or friends will read this... cause I was raised in BJB and half of my family went there and I also loved them dearly) but they are not so accurate in teachings about Lords supper ...


And we can go on and on by every church and denomination and we will find holes and bad things..


But I coud not call them names such as cult or nonchristians. They are christians, and I believe that even in RC or CASD are people who are saved, disgarding of false doctrines or some holes in their dogmatics.
I dont like this hunt cult. I believe there are some (maybe really few) brothers or sisters out there in those communities and I believe that for Jesus is not impossible to save people in CASD or even RC regardless of their dogmatic beliefs (teaching).

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We could rather criticize and reveal specific heretical teachings or those specific people who are false prophets or people who expand and state heresies, rather than tag whole community or church as a cult [/FONT] ...dont you think? or am I wrong?
be blessed
 

Jackson123

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#93
Guesnto2,Jesus is the only way to the Father and to heaven. It's mean the teaching of Jesus is the only way to the Father.

Many road leads to Rome but only one way to the Father that is Jesus.

One way, ==> one teaching,

To say teaching other than Jesus teaching lead to hell is not hatred.
If your best friend not aware take the road that lead to brink and you say you take the right road brother. Your friend may happy and love you but it mean you careless his salvation. which mean you not love him.

If you love him than tell him only one way to heaven and that is to follow Jesus. Follow Jesus mean follow His teaching. And love mean to show him that he take the wrong road. He may be angry but we should keep love him and that is ter risk we have to take to love other, and that is our duty as Christian.

Jesus said, if you love to the person that love you than what is the different between you and non believer.
 
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2Thewaters

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#94
Every church that follow men is a cult
 
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2Thewaters

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When a church realizes there is money to be made the compromise the Bible principle of giving up wverything and following Jesus and change the requirements to just showing up once a week and bringing lots of money for offerings
all religions are now cultsnone follow the Bible
No religion keeps the Bible anymore
 

john832

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This has to be the most absurd eisegesis of that passage I have ever heard! Our nations did not even exist at the time of Jacob. Unless you are referring to the Natives, which I am not sure why you are saying this.

Projecting that we created Israel? I think it was the UN, actually, and not sure it was the best decision on their part. You do have some really weird beliefs!
Who do you think we are descended from? Aliens?
 

john832

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This has to be the most absurd eisegesis of that passage I have ever heard! Our nations did not even exist at the time of Jacob. Unless you are referring to the Natives, which I am not sure why you are saying this.

Projecting that we created Israel? I think it was the UN, actually, and not sure it was the best decision on their part. You do have some really weird beliefs!
So, are you saying that the state of Israel came into being by the U.N. in 1948? They do not have a past history? The nation we call Israel today is not really Israel at all, it is Judah. You do know that Judah and Israel are two separate nations and will not be joined together again until Christ returns, don't you? Where do you think the Northern ten tribes migrated to?
 
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UriahSmith1844

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#98
Just one last thought. The Roman Catholic Church is actually one of the biggest true Cults in the World. And any Church who bows down to the Pope in keeping the false Sunday Sabbath, instituted by Rome, has linked themselves to this Roman Catholic Cult. That is why God commands His people to "Come out of Babylon, My People that ye be not partakers of her sins and receive not of her plagues" Revelation 18.

“If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath Day (Saturday). In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.” Albert Smith, chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, Feb. 10, 1920.

“The observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the Catholic church.” Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today (1868).

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

The Catholic Church is commanding you to disobey God and to break His Law. And if you obey, you are therefore a servant of the Pope, though you claim to be a servant of God. God "winketh at sin in times of ignorance" it says in the Book of Acts, but now is the time to repent! ...it says. Once you know better than God holds you responsible for the light that you have.

Christians had better get this straightened out, because by the looks of things with the Pope claiming there are no Protestants left... there is not much time before they pass the National Sunday Law.


"SUNDAY is our MARK of authority. . . . The church is ABOVE the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.”—Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

"The Bible says, Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day. The Catholic church says, No! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day, and command you to keep the first day of the week. And lo, the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic church!" Father Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, History of the Sabbath, p. 802

The Bible Says: "He shall speak great words... and think to change times and laws." Daniel 7:25
 
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UriahSmith1844

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If you really want to know what the Pope's aim is for America...
[video]http://www.3angelstube.com/video/1584/catholic-power-vs-american-freedom[/video]
You have to log in to be able to watch this video.
Go to the site, sign up and log in... its free. Then type in "Ron Goss" and in the list of videos choose the one called
"Catholic Power vs. American Freedom"
 
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Nancyer

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I would like to know what are some of Ellen White's main points of teaching. And I don't mean Christ is our Savior, that's too easy. I mean things like how He lived, what He did, what He said. Specifics, please. I remember someone talking about her writings as pretty "out there" but don't remember what was referenced.

What are her main points and why is she considered the one to listen to?

I'm curious.

Thank you.

In Christ,