How Old Is The Earth?

[Fishbait]

Wrong.

First of all, you don't know what a secularist is.

Second, who believes "man is God"? Secularists? Be more specific! Christians who accept the theory of evolution - no, they believe God is God. Atheists? No, atheists don't believe there are any Gods (and they don't believe themselves to be gods either).

I also noticed everyone is trying to change the topic, save for Elizabeth619. If we're to continue our discussion, let's address my points. It's senseless to ignore them.

Essentially, secularism says that man does not need God. It can be defined as “a system of doctrines and practices that disregards or rejects any form of religious faith and worship. Its primary objective is the total elimination of all religious elements from society.” Secularism, also known as secular humanism, teaches that there are no objective or absolute
truths defining right and wrong. In essence, to secularize something is to make it worldly and unspiritual. Its intent is to deprive something of its religious character, its spiritual influence and significance.

Secularism permeates all facets of our society: education, government, the criminal justice system, the news media, the entertainment industry, etc. Secularists believe that man is the measure of all things, that morals are man-centered, not God-centered. As such, no one is entitled to determine right from wrong, and morality is best determined by what is good for today’s culture. Secularists do not believe that mankind can have a set of permanent values such as taught in the Bible. Secularism pays lip service to tolerance and
diversity, yet many times secularists are intolerant of those who look to the Bible as God’s standard for morality.

 

[oldhermit]

The problem the atheist has who attempts to confront the biblical text is that he has no earthly idea how to read this book. Any time the atheistic mind engages the text of scripture this immediately creates a state of discontinuity between the mind of the reader and the text itself. Since the atheist does not understand how to create a synthesis between human reason and scripture, the only thing he can do is attempt to discredit the text by appealing to his own understand of reality that comes out of his own experiences.

 

[Nancyer]

Another point I'd like to make, not to clear this all up, just my 2 cents worth....God made Adam as an adult man, not an infant. Even was a woman. I'm sure when he made animals they were all adults. Therefore God could have made mountains that appeared to be very, very old. Trees in the Garden of Eden had to be mature to bear the fruit for Adam and Eve to eat. So how far fetched is it that he made the ground, rocks, hillsides, etc. mature enough to support what grew there?

This is one reason why I don't see the need to determine the age of earth. It's subjective to God's original plans for this planet. Some scientist decides the planet is 14,000,000,000 years old. Then he comes to Christ, goes to heaven and God tells him he created a 13,999,993,000 year old planet about 6000 years ago. So how old would earth be?

I believe completely that God created everything, nothing was by accident, none of it "just happened". We are God's creation, all special and unique and wonderful to Him. We aren't treating His planet that way, which is a shame.

 

[paulsfam4]

I believe the age of the earth is a mute point. If god thought that it was necessary for our salvation it would have been stated directly. but it is not me personally I go with god on the wisdom of man.1 Corinthians 3:19[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”[SUP][a][/SUP]; I believe it to be 8 to 10 thousand yrs old but it doesn't matter. this world will end and I cant wait for the new one.

 

[Percepi]

Liar, tell the truth. Your here because you have unanswered questions. In the back of your mind you are hoping to find answers here. EVO has failed you, science has failed you. You knowingly or not are on a journey for truth.

I am not here because I doubt evolution.

Now you're treating me like an atheist because I defend evolution - despite the fact that most people who accept evolution are, themselves, Christian.

Mankind think they're top dog, that they define truth (nowadays it seems most believe truth is relative) and everything else. They worship their accomplishments and get others to do likewise (eg. science and technology will be our saviour, look how good we are, we can do all of this without the help of a divine power). That's the behaviour of mankind trying to be god.

Trying to discover the truth is the equivalent of trying to be like God? I believe you understate what it would take for someone to try and be God or "a god".

Can one believe in the evolution creator god and remain a Christian? - that is, still be saved by faith in Christ the Creator? Not for long, it seems.

There is no specific "evolution creator god". Atheists believe evolution occurred naturally - without gods. Christians who accept evolution believe God is behind the process.

Essentially, secularism says that man does not need God.

No, it doesn't.

Secularists believe God should not be a part of certain things.

For example, there are many people who want a secular government because governments can't accurately represent what God wants, and all they'll do is bastardize his name for their own personal gain. Therefore, they want the government to act, not according to what politicians think God wants, but what the people want. (If the people want Godly things, then it's the people who make that decision.)

“a system of doctrines and practices that disregards or rejects any form of religious faith and worship. Its primary objective is the total elimination of all religious elements from society.”

The second sentence is false. Secularism only removes God from a group. A person who wants a secular government does not necessarily support removing religion from the nation all-together.

Secularism, also known as secular humanism, teaches that there are no objective or absolute
truths defining right and wrong.

Secularism and secular humanism are two different things.

Secularism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Secularism is often associated with atheism, sometimes rightfully so - most of the time not.

I'm really not digging your breach of the 9th commandment.

Now, can we please go back to addressing science? Character assassination is nothing more than a straw-man to change the topic.

 

[Tintin]

Can one believe in the evolution creator god and remain a Christian? - that is, still be saved by faith in Christ the Creator? Not for long, it seems.

Yes, I believe they can be Christians (because they believe/trust/have faith in Christ and his suffering, death and resurrection and that He's the One True God). BUT their faith is built on a weaker foundation, as they don't trust the authority of the Bible from beginning to end. History is relegated to myth. Their Christian witness suffers because there is a compromise.

 

[Percepi]

Yes, I believe they can be Christians (because they believe/trust/have faith in Christ and his suffering, death and resurrection and that He's the One True God). BUT their faith is built on a weaker foundation, as they don't trust the authority of the Bible from beginning to end. History is relegated to myth. Their Christian witness suffers because there is a compromise.

Even Bible literalists must compromise. They must look at solid evidence and assume somehow it's wrong - without understanding exactly how it's wrong.

"It's wrong because it contradicts the Bible."
"How is it wrong?"
"I don't know how it's wrong, but I know it is, because it contradicts the Bible."

 

[Bowman]

God made Adam as an adult man, not an infant. Even was a woman.

Not exactly.

That YEC position of God creating with the appearance of age simply does not withstand Biblical exegesis....and, in fact, is pure speculation, at best.

The Hebrew in the Gen narrative indicates LARGE passages of time after Adam was created until the time Eve was created. After all, Adam had a lot of tasks beset him, and he was not a superman in the sense that he needed to get everything done in 24hrs!

It took him a very long time to discover that he was lonely, in the first place...and there is no indication that he was created an adult....moreover, he was raised as a child, by God, his first parent. Adults don't need to be raised....but children do.

Moreover....If Eve was created as a adult female, then why did God have to take her away from Adam to begin with?

Eve had to be brought BACK to Adam because she was away being raised by God, so that she could be more age-compatible with Adam's age.

Simple, Biblical truth...

 

[Elizabeth619]

The problem the atheist has who attempts to confront the biblical text is that he has no earthly idea how to read this book. Any time the atheistic mind engages the text of scripture this immediately creates a state of discontinuity between the mind of the reader and the text itself. Since the atheist does not understand how to create a synthesis between human reason and scripture, the only thing he can do is attempt to discredit the text by appealing to his own understand of reality that comes out of his own experiences.

^^^^^ I love this guy...

 

[Elizabeth619]

Not exactly.

That YEC position of God creating with the appearance of age simply does not withstand Biblical exegesis....and, in fact, is pure speculation, at best.

The Hebrew in the Gen narrative indicates LARGE passages of time after Adam was created until the time Eve was created. After all, Adam had a lot of tasks beset him, and he was not a superman in the sense that he needed to get everything done in 24hrs!

It took him a very long time to discover that he was lonely, in the first place...and there is no indication that he was created an adult....moreover, he was raised as a child, by God, his first parent. Adults don't need to be raised....but children do.

Moreover....If Eve was created as a adult female, then why did God have to take her away from Adam to begin with?

Eve had to be brought BACK to Adam because she was away being raised by God, so that she could be more age-compatible with Adam's age.

Simple, Biblical truth...

Uh... what???? Scripture please

 

[Spokenpassage]

Isn't the earth 5 days older than mankind? There ya go!

 

[Tintin]

Not exactly.

That YEC position of God creating with the appearance of age simply does not withstand Biblical exegesis....and, in fact, is pure speculation, at best.

The Hebrew in the Gen narrative indicates LARGE passages of time after Adam was created until the time Eve was created. After all, Adam had a lot of tasks beset him, and he was not a superman in the sense that he needed to get everything done in 24hrs!

It took him a very long time to discover that he was lonely, in the first place...and there is no indication that he was created an adult....moreover, he was raised as a child, by God, his first parent. Adults don't need to be raised....but children do.

Moreover....If Eve was created as a adult female, then why did God have to take her away from Adam to begin with?

Eve had to be brought BACK to Adam because she was away being raised by God, so that she could be more age-compatible with Adam's age.

Simple, Biblical truth...

A very long time? It was possibly a matter of weeks from the creation of the universe and everything in it, to the Fall of Mankind.

 

[Laodicea]

Not exactly.

That YEC position of God creating with the appearance of age simply does not withstand Biblical exegesis....and, in fact, is pure speculation, at best.

The Hebrew in the Gen narrative indicates LARGE passages of time after Adam was created until the time Eve was created. After all, Adam had a lot of tasks beset him, and he was not a superman in the sense that he needed to get everything done in 24hrs!

It took him a very long time to discover that he was lonely, in the first place...and there is no indication that he was created an adult....moreover, he was raised as a child, by God, his first parent. Adults don't need to be raised....but children do.

Moreover....If Eve was created as a adult female, then why did God have to take her away from Adam to begin with?

Eve had to be brought BACK to Adam because she was away being raised by God, so that she could be more age-compatible with Adam's age.

Simple, Biblical truth...

Simple Biblical Opinion

 

[Kerry]

We don't know how long the garden era lasted. I meant there was no hurry or sense of time as He was eternal. Many scholars suspect 40 days as that is the number for completion. Rain 40 days, Moses 40 years, Jesus fasted for 40 days, 400 years in Egypt. So forth and so on.

 

[oldhermit]

We don't know how long the garden era lasted. I meant there was no hurry or sense of time as He was eternal. Many scholars suspect 40 days as that is the number for completion. Rain 40 days, Moses 40 years, Jesus fasted for 40 days, 400 years in Egypt. So forth and so on.

It is even possible that Cain and Able were born in the garden.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not exactly.

That YEC position of God creating with the appearance of age simply does not withstand Biblical exegesis....and, in fact, is pure speculation, at best.

The Hebrew in the Gen narrative indicates LARGE passages of time after Adam was created until the time Eve was created. After all, Adam had a lot of tasks beset him, and he was not a superman in the sense that he needed to get everything done in 24hrs!

It took him a very long time to discover that he was lonely, in the first place...and there is no indication that he was created an adult....moreover, he was raised as a child, by God, his first parent. Adults don't need to be raised....but children do.

Moreover....If Eve was created as a adult female, then why did God have to take her away from Adam to begin with?

Eve had to be brought BACK to Adam because she was away being raised by God, so that she could be more age-compatible with Adam's age.

Simple, Biblical truth...

Alot of fluff there.

God created man on on day, male and female he created them..

why do people want to twist the literal word of God to make a doctrine which does line up with Gods word??

[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all[SUP][b][/SUP] the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” [SUP]27 [/SUP]So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”


[SUP]29 [/SUP]And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so. [SUP]31 [/SUP]Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

so did he create them on day 6. or did he lie??

 

[johnluke]

AND scientists have found fossils of these fire breathing dragon/dinosaurs. TRUE STORY.

Scientists have recently proven that one atom CAN BE IN TWO PLACES AT THE SAME TIME.

When you drop this kind of information, it would be good to quote your source. I would be interested in the scientific stories behind this information. Thanks.

 

[johnluke]

I think it's real bad when someone's attitude is "there's no creator, there's no creator" I think it's even worse when people who say that they are redeemed by the creator agree with them

I don't think I have ever met a redeemed person who agreed that there was no creator. The person would be diabolically opposed to himself.

 

[johnluke]

My undergrad degree was in Science - a major in physical geography and minor in biology. I was an agnostic looking for God when I started University. It was there I began to see all the holes in evolution. University got me to think for myself, even though it was very secular. I found information about creation as an alternative, and believed in Creation before I believed in Christ!

But the hound of heaven wasn't far behind, and God met me and saved me about a month out of my first year of university. As a Christian, I met many science profs who believed in creation. I think it is a crime the way Christians in Science are bullied not to reveal their true beliefs, based on both the Bible, and what nature tells us.

As for me, I think the age of the earth is between 6000-10,000 years old. We don't understand that often in a genealogy, the Hebrew often uses "father" to mean a grandfather or great grandfather etc. So a few more years to wiggle, but no long earth ages. I am a firm creationists, and I believe science always backs that claim.

Since you have a science background, how do you explain the dinosaur problem to Christians. You may not have thought about it, so I hope I have not put you on the spot. I have a son that is going sideways and this is one of his big problems.
Anybody can chime in. Thanks

 

[oldhermit]

Since you have a science background, how do you explain the dinosaur problem to Christians. You may not have thought about it, so I hope I have not put you on the spot. I have a son that is going sideways and this is one of his big problems.
Anybody can chime in. Thanks

I am not Angela but, just out of curiosity, what "problems" did you have in mind?