How Old Is The Earth?

[Jay1]

2 Peter 3 is talking about people doubting the return of Jesus, so Peter is letting us know that God does not view time as we do. We may think 100 years or in this case 6000 years (give or take) is a lot, but what is that compared to God who is eternal. The bible says that God completed creation in six literal days and rested on the seventh, it should not even be a debate among christians. To take 2 Peter 3:8 and say that maybe God completed creation in 6000 years is to disregard God's word. It's one thing not to understand scripture, no one understands all the bible, truth is progressive, but to flat out dismiss scripture and come up with your own idea or an idea from nonbelievers is heresy.

 

[Historicist]

so, lets follow the secular world. because it is causing people to not believe in God if we take the word of God as truth. But not taking the bible literally will make people come to God (rolls eyes) yeah thats been the problem for along time, wer appease people. and bring them a false God.

ever heard of DNA? it is perfectly not only possible but probably that what you claimed could not happen did happen.

stop listening to secular scientists who want to disprove God (romans 1 among other many passages) and start listening to God. he will not let you down

To be consistent then you must also believe then that "...all the world should be taxed" (Luke 2:1) means that Caesar Augustus sent collectors to all the continents in the world. The terms "earth, world, under the whole heaven," etc, in the flood account, are not confined to meaning the entire planet. They do not require us to believe that the entire planet was covered, not anymore than context in "...all the world" (Luke 2:1) means that Caesar Augustus collected a tax from Eskimos and people in Hawaii at that time.

The more I follow this subject the more I'm convinced of the harm caused by universal flood teaching. It's the best friend atheists ever had. Millions of young people, told to believe that Noah's flood was universal, dismiss the Bible based upon what they know is impossible.

 

[Tintin]

To be consistent then you must also believe then that "...all the world should be taxed" (Luke 2:1) means that Caesar Augustus sent collectors to all the continents in the world. The terms "earth, world, under the whole heaven," etc, in the flood account, are not confined to meaning the entire planet. They do not require us to believe that the entire planet was covered, not anymore than context in "...all the world" (Luke 2:1) means that Caesar Augustus collected a tax from Eskimos and people in Hawaii at that time.

The more I follow this subject the more I'm convinced of the harm caused by universal flood teaching. It's the best friend atheists ever had. Millions of young people, told to believe that Noah's flood was universal, dismiss the Bible based upon what they know is impossible.

Millions of young people, told to believe the evolutionary theory is fact, dismiss the Bible based upon what they've been told by society is truth. Millions of Western Christians, trying to reconcile their faith with evolutionary theory, are forced to compromise and justify their beliefs by jumping through hoop after hoop. God's Word is no longer held as the greatest authority. A plain reading of these Genesis chapters show that there's no confusion. The bollocks about a local flood is a reasonably new invention.

 

[Historicist]

If you look at geneology starting with Adam of course, all the way to present time it comes to approximately 6000 years. There is no one verse. Adam lived to be 930 years (Genesis 5:5) - count forward or work backward - 2014. Jesus was born year 4 (no scripture just history) sorry. But take a look at www.bible-history.com/rome/rometimeline_biblical_history.htm

Based upon Bible chronology Adam and Eve do seem to have been created about 6000 years ago. After years of studying this subject I've concluded that the humans in chapter one were around thousands of years before Adam. It had to be they that Cain worried about when he sasid "everyone that findeth me shall slay me" (Gen. 4:14). And it had to be they who were the origin of Cain's wife. There are at least four references in Genesis four to the humans who preexisted Adam and Eve.

 

[Historicist]

Millions of young people, told to believe the evolutionary theory is fact, dismiss the Bible based upon what they've been told by society is truth. Millions of Western Christians, trying to reconcile their faith with evolutionary theory, are forced to compromise and justify their beliefs by jumping through hoop after hoop. God's Word is no longer held as the greatest authority. A plain reading of these Genesis chapters show that there's no confusion. The bollocks about a local flood is a reasonably new invention.

That the the earth revolves around the sun is also "a reasonably new invention," and one resisted by people who insisted that the Bible says otherwise. Your universal flood belief, like that of a sun which revolves around the earth, is medieval type theology. At least you did not try to tell me that the Romans sent tax collectors to Hawaii.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

To be consistent then you must also believe then that "...all the world should be taxed" (Luke 2:1) means that Caesar Augustus sent collectors to all the continents in the world. The terms "earth, world, under the whole heaven," etc, in the flood account, are not confined to meaning the entire planet. They do not require us to believe that the entire planet was covered, not anymore than context in "...all the world" (Luke 2:1) means that Caesar Augustus collected a tax from Eskimos and people in Hawaii at that time.

The more I follow this subject the more I'm convinced of the harm caused by universal flood teaching. It's the best friend atheists ever had. Millions of young people, told to believe that Noah's flood was universal, dismiss the Bible based upon what they know is impossible.

lol.. Quite the opposite.

old earth ( a non literal translation of scripture) is more harmfull.

The universal flood explains the fossil record compltely
The universal flood explains plate techtonicks and the movement of the continents completely
The universal flood explains why many large creatures died off the planet.
The universal flood explains so much, Where Old Earth and a local flood just buys into the athiests argument that there is no God and the Bible can not be trusted.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Millions of young people, told to believe the evolutionary theory is fact, dismiss the Bible based upon what they've been told by society is truth. Millions of Western Christians, trying to reconcile their faith with evolutionary theory, are forced to compromise and justify their beliefs by jumping through hoop after hoop. God's Word is no longer held as the greatest authority. A plain reading of these Genesis chapters show that there's no confusion. The bollocks about a local flood is a reasonably new invention.

I will be the first to admit the church was caught off guard by the new science as they did not have an answer. and instead of trying to fight, just changed to go along with it (I did this when I first heard of the gap theory. I fell hook line and sinker)

but if people study, and read. they will see most of the science used to prove Old earth has since been defunct. many things they said coul dnot happen but yet one way has been proven in error (mt st helens and the mini grand canyon for example)

people just have to open their eyes. Science still does prove the bible. we do not have to change the bible to agree with science.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Based upon Bible chronology Adam and Eve do seem to have been created about 6000 years ago. After years of studying this subject I've concluded that the humans in chapter one were around thousands of years before Adam. It had to be they that Cain worried about when he sasid "everyone that findeth me shall slay me" (Gen. 4:14). And it had to be they who were the origin of Cain's wife. There are at least four references in Genesis four to the humans who preexisted Adam and Eve.

then the bible was a lie. and we can just throw it out.

 

[Cobus]

Based upon Bible chronology Adam and Eve do seem to have been created about 6000 years ago. After years of studying this subject I've concluded that the humans in chapter one were around thousands of years before Adam. It had to be they that Cain worried about when he sasid "everyone that findeth me shall slay me" (Gen. 4:14). And it had to be they who were the origin of Cain's wife. There are at least four references in Genesis four to the humans who preexisted Adam and Eve.

Nope Cain was afraid of these people..... Genesis 5:4....And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:


And they all knew Cain will be avenged sevenfold.... Gen 4:24... Remember they had at leat 600 years to breed and revenge Abel, becasue people, including Cain lived that long then.

 

[Fishbait]

Based upon Bible chronology Adam and Eve do seem to have been created about 6000 years ago. After years of studying this subject I've concluded that the humans in chapter one were around thousands of years before Adam. It had to be they that Cain worried about when he sasid "everyone that findeth me shall slay me" (Gen. 4:14). And it had to be they who were the origin of Cain's wife. There are at least four references in Genesis four to the humans who preexisted Adam and Eve.

You seem to be quite an expert on the Bible. As I am just learning the Bible can you answer a few question's for me?

Q: Was there death and suffering before Adam and Eve sinned?

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” (Genesis 2:16–17)

God gave the command in Genesis 2:16–17 that sin would be punishable by death. This is significant when we look at the big picture of death. If death in any form was around prior to God’s declaration in Genesis 1:31 that everything was “very good,” then death would be very good too—hence not a punishment at all.

Q: Did the people "who preexisted Adam and Eve" ever sin or die?

I find that the Bible tells us very clearly that there was no death before sin. In fact, there are no Bible verses indicating there was death prior to sin. Help me with this.

Q: Could it be that the only reason some people try to insert death before sin is to fit man’s ideas of “millions of years” of death from a uniformitarian view of the fossil record into the Bible?

Q: Doesn't death and suffering before sin make a mockery of God’s statement that everything was very good in Genesis 1:31?

Death, animals eating other animals, thorns, cancer, tumors, and so on are not very good, and, yet, these are found in fossil layers supposedly millions of years old. Again, help me to understand this.

Q: Should all of us take a warning from Psalm 118:8 very seriously when we look to fallable, sinful men for answers?

"It is better to trust in God, than to trust in man."

I am looking forward to learning what someone that "after years of studying this subject" has to say so that I may better understand the Bible and God's word.


God bless you.

 

[Historicist]

Nope Cain was afraid of these people..... Genesis 5:4....And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:


And they all knew Cain will be avenged sevenfold.... Gen 4:24... Remember they had at leat 600 years to breed and revenge Abel, becasue people, including Cain lived that long then.

Have you not considered that when Cain said "...every one that findeth me shall slay me" (Gen. 4:14), that the people you refer to---were not yet born!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Have you not considered that when Cain said "...every one that findeth me shall slay me" (Gen. 4:14), that the people you refer to---were not yet born!

Nope. Because Adam and eve had many sons and daughters. And they had children, All who would be alive at this time.

 

[Historicist]

You seem to be quite an expert on the Bible. As I am just learning the Bible can you answer a few question's for me?

Q: Was there death and suffering before Adam and Eve sinned?

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” (Genesis 2:16–17)

God gave the command in Genesis 2:16–17 that sin would be punishable by death. This is significant when we look at the big picture of death. If death in any form was around prior to God’s declaration in Genesis 1:31 that everything was “very good,” then death would be very good too—hence not a punishment at all.

Q: Did the people "who preexisted Adam and Eve" ever sin or die?

I find that the Bible tells us very clearly that there was no death before sin. In fact, there are no Bible verses indicating there was death prior to sin. Help me with this.

Q: Could it be that the only reason some people try to insert death before sin is to fit man’s ideas of “millions of years” of death from a uniformitarian view of the fossil record into the Bible?

Q: Doesn't death and suffering before sin make a mockery of God’s statement that everything was very good in Genesis 1:31?

Death, animals eating other animals, thorns, cancer, tumors, and so on are not very good, and, yet, these are found in fossil layers supposedly millions of years old. Again, help me to understand this.

Q: Should all of us take a warning from Psalm 118:8 very seriously when we look to fallable, sinful men for answers?

"It is better to trust in God, than to trust in man."

I am looking forward to learning what someone that "after years of studying this subject" has to say so that I may better understand the Bible and God's word.


God bless you.

You are forgetting that "This is the book of the generations of Adam..." (Gen. 5:1). This book, the Bible, was written to for and about Adam and his descendants, but through the covenant line only. Those who were not of Adam, or were, but were not of the covenant line (i.e., Ishmael, Esau, etc.) were not given the same responsibilities. The prophet Amos reminded us of this when he said of the Israel covenant people, "...you only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for your iniquities" (Amos 3:2). This is why Paul said: "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law" (Rom. 5:13). Sin therefore was not imputed to those not of the covenant line, to Adam and his covenant line descendants yes, but not to far off non covenant people on other continents at that time. These near and far non covenant people were and are the other "families of the earth" Most people in the world were, and are, in this category. Because God did not give them his law, he is not going to judge them according to it. There are scores of scriptural precedents for the distinction between covenant and non covenant people. As Jesus said to the Canaanite woman, " I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel...It is not meet to take the children's bread and to cast it to dogs" (Matt. 15:24, 26). Yes, he had mercy and healed her daughter, but only after she sought him. He did not seek her. There were no Canaanites in the first century church.

 

[Historicist]

Nope. Because Adam and eve had many sons and daughters. And they had children, All who would be alive at this time.

Where does the text say that Cain, when he killed Abel, had other siblings, and that they were living in the land he would be driven to? Where? You are so desperate to prove something you want to believe that you are reading this idea into the text.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Where does the text say that Cain, when he killed Abel, had other siblings, and that they were living in the land he would be driven to? Where? You are so desperate to prove something you want to believe that you are reading this idea into the text.

where does it say he did not?

If adam was the first man created, and eve the first woman. Where did all these other kids come from?

Did God lie when he stated he created adam from the dust of the groung (no parents) And thold him and eve to multiply and fill the earth?

 

[Historicist]

then the bible was a lie. and we can just throw it out.

Why do people of your mindset, when proved wrong by proper exegesis, resort to accusing someone of calling God a liar? Why, instead of name callling and accusations, do you not try to build an argument using logic and reason?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why do people of your mindset, when proved wrong by proper exegesis, resort to accusing someone of calling God a liar? Why, instead of name callling and accusations, do you not try to build an argument using logic and reason?

lol.. your proper exigesis destroys the literal text of the word. and would make the bible meaningless.

 

[Historicist]

where does it say he did not?

If adam was the first man created, and eve the first woman. Where did all these other kids come from?

Did God lie when he stated he created adam from the dust of the groung (no parents) And thold him and eve to multiply and fill the earth?

The type of response you are now using is known as circular reasoning.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The type of response you are now using is known as circular reasoning.

So when we answer, it is circular reasoning. When you use it it is not..

Thanks for showing you can not prove you point..

next........

 

[oldhermit]

The type of response you are now using is known as circular reasoning.

You need to look up the definition of circular reasoning.