Fallen angels, humanity and Enoch
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Its a waste of time.The only thing that will happen is you will wind up worshiping fallen angels instead of Jesus.That's exactly what satan wants.
that's not what I've gathered.. I watched it and I worship Jesus Christ. I'm intrigued by certain things.. "as the days of Noah were so shall the last days of man be."
Enoch was the 7th generation after Adam, Noahs grandfather and he is explaining that he is writing a book for a "remote generation."
P.S. Jude mentions it
Jude 1:14
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Enoch was the 7th generation after Adam, Noahs grandfather and he is explaining that he is writing a book for a "remote generation."
P.S. Jude mentions it
Jude 1:14
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Book of Enoch: Book 1: Watchers
that link will take you to the actual text. You will find Judes reference literally in the 9th verse
that link will take you to the actual text. You will find Judes reference literally in the 9th verse
also when you get in and see what the demons taught "in the days of Noah" you will see all of those things alive and thriving today.. even abortion..
"the evil Kasdeja taught the smitings of the embryo in the womb, that it may pass away."
I think the book deserves a close look.
"the evil Kasdeja taught the smitings of the embryo in the womb, that it may pass away."
I think the book deserves a close look.
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The_highwayman
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You should read this only as a historical reference and not allow yourself to apply it as you do the inspired scriptures. I personally enjoyed reading this one and the Book of Jasher, but would never teach/preach anything out of either one.
There is credible evidence that Enoch had some very powerful revelations from God, but God chose not to allow the Book of Enoch to be put into the Bible. I also agree with your stance on Jude and Jude did quote directly from Enoch, but that does not make the Book of Enoch part of Holy cannon.
Take as historical and interesting, but don't ever confuse it with the truth of the Bible.
I understand your stance but as I look into it and if indeed it pans out like I suspect then God did in fact put that book here for our generation and no board of man who decides which book does and does not make the cut will in any way dictate my view. The fact that our bible does day Enoch prophecied and then the quote is precise is more credible than any board. Choose what you trust and I will follow where God leads me.
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The_highwayman
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You make good points and I respect that. God leads us to use wisdom in all things.
The fact remains that ENOCH is written more from a Christian perspective and not a Jewish one. When the Book of Enoch was found at Qumran, it solidified the belief that the book was never written by enoch himself, but by a someone living in the 3rd Century church, who used his name.
There are also part of the Book of Enoch and the Secrets of Enoch, that refute the Bible. I will leave it to your own study and diligence to discover this.
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The_highwayman
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RachelBibleStudent
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the bible says that enoch prophesied...
it does not follow that some strange book claiming to be enoch's prophecy is authentic...
also if you compare the quotation in jude with the quotation in the book of enoch...they are -not- exactly the same...so the one is -not- a direct quotation of the other...at best the one is paraphrasing the other...or both are paraphrasing a -third- source...
and furthermore the new testament actually quotes several openly pagan writers...no christians ever advocate for -those- books with the same logic used to advocate for the book of enoch...
K here's the problem that I have with not putting the book of Enoch in the actual Bible...it's quoted in Scripture, it's been found with the Dead Sea Scrolls. And you say that God chose not to allow the book of Enoch to be put into the Bible, when in fact it was the Catholic Church that chose this (you know, the same church that we all broke away from, saying that many of the things they did/do was heretical.). Many of them didn't want to put the Book of Revelation in the Bible either, claiming that it was too dangerous of a text. It BARELY made it in the Bible.
So what happened? God inspired the Catholic Church to throw the Bible together and then quickly left them, turning their future actions into uninspired mistakes and booboos?
OR
Did the Catholic Church just make another booboo in their long historical list of booboos?
I haven't even read the entire book of Enoch, but from what I have read, it explains A LOT about how/why ancient civilizations knew about a lot of things that they could have never known otherwise without modern technology. It kicks the ancient aliens theories in the butt and gives a Biblical answer. Also, it follows the anti-gnosis (unless given by God) theme of the Old Testament.
Also, I have yet to read anything from the book that would incredibly change Christianity like trying to give new paths to redemption or any junk like that
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RachelBibleStudent
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actually it does say that in one case...paul calls the cretan writer epimenides 'one of their own prophets'
This is the beginning of my journey researching "the book of Enoch"
fragments of the book of Enoch were found among the deadsea scrolls which clearly predate christianity.
Which means that the fact that this book (which self proclaims it is for a remote (later) generation and is written in far more Christian-like manner only seem to validate its authenticity seeing as the unchanging God inspired both the old and new testament writings..
That means its all from the same author. So if He had someone before the flood document important things for us now -(in my opinion) He would do best to write it in the clearest manner we would understand. Which for all of us is obviously in a christianlike manner.
as far as not exactly the same? It's awfully close. ESPECIALLY in context.
Next:
Jude 1:14
King James Version (KJV)
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
verse 9 of the 1st book of Enoch
9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
I'm just beginning this research it will probably be days before I get to where I feel I have a real grasp, but I remain definitely optimistic that God has givin us something very special for these times..
fragments of the book of Enoch were found among the deadsea scrolls which clearly predate christianity.
Which means that the fact that this book (which self proclaims it is for a remote (later) generation and is written in far more Christian-like manner only seem to validate its authenticity seeing as the unchanging God inspired both the old and new testament writings..
That means its all from the same author. So if He had someone before the flood document important things for us now -(in my opinion) He would do best to write it in the clearest manner we would understand. Which for all of us is obviously in a christianlike manner.
as far as not exactly the same? It's awfully close. ESPECIALLY in context.
Next:
Jude 1:14
King James Version (KJV)
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
verse 9 of the 1st book of Enoch
9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
I'm just beginning this research it will probably be days before I get to where I feel I have a real grasp, but I remain definitely optimistic that God has givin us something very special for these times..
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RachelBibleStudent
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there is a lot in your post to disagree with...for now i will just point out that the dead sea scrolls contain a lot of really weird stuff...after all the community that produced the dead sea scrolls were basically the 'koreshans' of the ancient jewish world...so the inclusion of a text in the dead sea scrolls does not really validate that text...
I would have to look into all of that to decide what to make of it. Besides the possibility of a bible version discrepancy, my first thought would be to trust Paul, but again I would have to really look into it.
Rachel, the fact its in the dead sea scrolls is not what makes me think twice, its the fact it predates Christianity.. Again I'm going to look into it, you are free to your opinions but I'm going about the right way.
Good point; referring to actual Biblical characters does not make the Deuterocanonical to become Canonical... (as one might say).
Blessings.