Who was Lucifer?

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Dec 20, 2013
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I have examined and replied to every verse given. You on the other hand throw out verses without explaining how they represent your point only to ignore the responses. This is a very common practice of those who just think they know something because of something they once heard said, with no idea as to how to prove it without adding to the word to do so! I know that you are politely abrasive and demand of others what you refuse to do, because you truly can not support what you claim! Truly anyone who does not think Jeremiah 8:8 does not have anything to do with everything prier to Jeremiah is unstudied and showing extreme ignorance or denial, or both.



I cant figure out if you're being serious, or if you're only asking for more scripture, which HAS been overwhelmingly presented to you, by the way, to continue arguing with us about who Lucifer and Satan are. Why dont YOU tell US who they are, for once? Or is it because you dont know. They are both referred to in the bible by name, in ANY version you look at. Jeremiah 8:8 has NOTHING to do with the original question, which for the millionth time is, WHO was Lucifer/Satan?!!!! The other posters and myself have tried to answer that question not only for Jruiz, who posted the OP, but you as well, and you keep saying "more scripture please." Fine then, dig into your own bible and provide US with proof of who Lucifer and Satan are. They are one and the same, I assure you, and the bible tells you plainly who Lucifer was before he got cast out of heaven, and what his earthly name became once he arrived to hell. How much more "proof" do you need?!!
 

blue_ladybug

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I have examined and replied to every verse given. You on the other hand throw out verses without explaining how they represent your point only to ignore the responses. This is a very common practice of those who just think they know something because of something they once heard said, with no idea as to how to prove it without adding to the word to do so! I know that you are politely abrasive and demand of others what you refuse to do, because you truly can not support what you claim! Truly anyone who does not think Jeremiah 8:8 does not have anything to do with everything prier to Jeremiah is unstudied and showing extreme ignorance or denial, or both.
Woodartdon,

1.) I am not abrasive, I really dont understand why you have such trouble grabbing the concept of who Lucifer and Satan are. The bible scripture that has been given in previous posts CLEARLY tells us who they are.

2.) I dont demand things of others, I simply asked that you show us your scripture and tell us who you think they are. You keep demanding more scripture to prove a point, so enlighten us with your POV on it. I have adequately explained to you who I think Lucifer/Satan are. Each time I have quoted a bible verse, I have expounded on what the verse(s) mean. If your opinion differs from mine, or from other poster's on here, by all means, please tell us what your concept is, of who Lucifer and Satan are. The bible is the best source of knowing who they are!! It explains very clearly who they are, and that Lucifer became the hell-bound Satan when he was cast out of heaven.
I look forward to reading your viewpoint on who they are. :)

 
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Do you think that when you deny what you do and say,that you did not do it or say it? I am starting to fell really sorry for you if you now think what you say you think about your past comments and your way of ignoring responses. Why do you continue to respond anyway,as you disagree with me so strongly, do you just have to have the last word as a prop for surety? Needless to say I disagree with you and consider you a traditionalist, what else is there for us to say to each other!


Woodartdon,

1.) I am not abrasive, I really dont understand why you have such trouble grabbing the concept of who Lucifer and Satan are. The bible scripture that has been given in previous posts CLEARLY tells us who they are.

2.) I dont demand things of others, I simply asked that you show us your scripture and tell us who you think they are. You keep demanding more scripture to prove a point, so enlighten us with your POV on it. I have adequately explained to you who I think Lucifer/Satan are. Each time I have quoted a bible verse, I have expounded on what the verse(s) mean. If your opinion differs from mine, or from other poster's on here, by all means, please tell us what your concept is, of who Lucifer and Satan are. The bible is the best source of knowing who they are!! It explains very clearly who they are, and that Lucifer became the hell-bound Satan when he was cast out of heaven.
I look forward to reading your viewpoint on who they are. :)

 

blue_ladybug

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Do you think that when you deny what you do and say,that you did not do it or say it? I am starting to fell really sorry for you if you now think what you say you think about your past comments and your way of ignoring responses. Why do you continue to respond anyway,as you disagree with me so strongly, do you just have to have the last word as a prop for surety? Needless to say I disagree with you and consider you a traditionalist, what else is there for us to say to each other!
How am I denying what I do or say? If I was denying what I do or say, I would retract all my comments I have made in this thread so far. I am not ignoring responses, I am just baffled at the way YOU keep ignoring poster's requests to give us your viewpoint on Lucifer and Satan. You keep asking for more scripture to prove our stance, and we have done that. YOU, sir, are the one ignoring responses. Either you dont know who Lucifer or Satan are, or you dont have scripture proof to back up your point of view on the matter. NO, I do NOT "need to have the last word as a prop for surety." But it seems like you have to have the last word as a prop for further argumentation. :)
You have done nothing but argue with each reply people have posted on here. Even when we give you scripture reference, you still argue and say "more, more." Why the reluctance to tell us your view on who Lucifer/Satan are and how they came to be? I could ask you the same question, why do YOU continue to respond?
 
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Clearly you are being defensive but to answer your question just one more time: The king James is not in any way a translation of the original scripts. Any encyclopedia will tell you that King James edict was as follows: "The translators are to follow the original scrips except where it differs from the pope's bible." King James words not mine! So regardless your preferred translation, only a willingness to be blind to facts exists unless truth is sought in the original scripts! As far as your demand for me to give the details: How hypocritical of you to offer absolutely no details in most all of your post and after that being pointed out to you, you demand the same only you want it first! You should be ashamed to publish reflecting such an self serving earthly spirit.
Again i ask who is lucifer according to you?if am wrong,then convince the world with Truth you have.Please,otherwise you are doing a great sin!
 
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So now you assume the knowledge of God by judging me to sin, does your arrogance ever stop! The Name you choose for the Devil is a translator exerting their privilege of selecting new words to help you better understand how lacking you are in your own cognitive ability's. Your reply's are truly a reflection of your ignorance and I am sad for you.


Again i ask who is lucifer according to you?if am wrong,then convince the world with Truth you have.Please,otherwise you are doing a great sin!