. I believe if people are worshipping incorrectly and if they are not told the truth they may lose their soul. It is our duty to tell them and some that I have seen on here have gone out of their way not to tell them for being afraid of hurting their feelings, which they should be worried more about them losing their soul. I believe if you're not a member of the Church of Christ, you are lost. I have no problem letting people know that their lost by doing it in the right way and still some will say that I was harsh, but I would love for them to show me a reply that shows that type of reply. I find people who say their a Christian and criticize other Christians are doing nothing but acting childish and lack spiritual maturity. I have been told I was giving false info when I have never done that and I would love for anyone to PROVE that I have. Yes you're going to cause strife with some. I believe the Church of Christ is the one and only true church and I believe in letting people know that, again in the right way.
Churches of Christ with or without instruments, which is the right way to worship?
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-- that faculty is a lot more important to me than the topic of the thread!Claiming to be A Church (ekklesia, synagogue, school) of Christ does not make it what the Spirit OF Christ commanded both inclusively and exclusively for the Synagogue or Church of Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness. The Holy Convocation which came to meat each Sabbath day was:
INCLUSIVE of Rest, Reading and Rehearsing the Word as delivered from God to Moses. The provision was made in Exodus 18.
EXCLUSIVE of Vocal or Instrumental rejoicing including high-sounding rhetoric or speaking on your won.
That was exampled and commanded by Jesus who STOOD UP to Read the Word and then decently and in order sat down for any comments. The Jews followed the pattern of PREACHING the Word by READING the Word for comfort and doctrine. That is how Paul commanded Timothy to hold public Reading Assemblies. Early refuseniks in England held their secret Prophesying Assemblies. Unless you are a PROPHET then prophesying is speaking that which IS inspired.
The Campbells following Calvin's call to Restore the Church of Christ understood the pattern which is defined by Peter and Paul which happens after all of the performers are silenced.
"who, at the same time are ignorant of, and even averse to, the religion it inculcates; and whilst others profess to embrace it as a system of religion, without imbibing the spirit, realizing the truth, and experiencing the power of its religious institutions; but merely superstruct to themselves, rest in, and are satisfied with, a form (acts) of godliness; and that, very often, a deficient, imperfect form, or such as their own imagination has devised;
"let us, with an open bible before us, distinguish and contemplate that religion which it enjoins and exhibits--I mean the religion of christianity, for it also exhibits the religion of Judaism;
but with this, in the mean time,
we christians have nothing directly to do--
we derive our religion immediately from the New Testament. TC
He noted that Baptism is a first act of worship:
"But that this may be the case, the next immediate ordinance of the christian religion, namely,
the reading, I mean the musing upon, or studying the Holy Scriptures;
taking them up in their connexion, and meditating upon the subjects they propose to our consideration, with a fixed contemplation of the various and important objects which they present.
This dutiful and religious use of the bible, (that most precious, sacred record of the wonderful works of God,
The Lord's Supper is another TEACHING remembrance to put US in our place to hold a one-way communication FROM God to true Disciples. I would make certain that I understood the meaning
CHURCH as the school of Christ through the prophets and apostles.
OF is a preposition and shows that Christ is the only Teacher when if you have APT elders they "teach that which has been taught.
CHRIST God made Jesus of Nazareth to be both Lord and Christ. Jesus said that "doctors of the law take away the key to knowledge." Therefore, Christ is the HEAD (the only Thinker) of the BODY which has no earthly head as senior pastor person or Minister of Bad Breath.
So, we should be careful that we haven't switched sides.
The "ministers" or all of the performing singers and sacrificial mediator were called PARASITES so watch that STAFF thingy before you shoot.
INCLUSIVE of Rest, Reading and Rehearsing the Word as delivered from God to Moses. The provision was made in Exodus 18.
EXCLUSIVE of Vocal or Instrumental rejoicing including high-sounding rhetoric or speaking on your won.
That was exampled and commanded by Jesus who STOOD UP to Read the Word and then decently and in order sat down for any comments. The Jews followed the pattern of PREACHING the Word by READING the Word for comfort and doctrine. That is how Paul commanded Timothy to hold public Reading Assemblies. Early refuseniks in England held their secret Prophesying Assemblies. Unless you are a PROPHET then prophesying is speaking that which IS inspired.
The Campbells following Calvin's call to Restore the Church of Christ understood the pattern which is defined by Peter and Paul which happens after all of the performers are silenced.
"who, at the same time are ignorant of, and even averse to, the religion it inculcates; and whilst others profess to embrace it as a system of religion, without imbibing the spirit, realizing the truth, and experiencing the power of its religious institutions; but merely superstruct to themselves, rest in, and are satisfied with, a form (acts) of godliness; and that, very often, a deficient, imperfect form, or such as their own imagination has devised;
"let us, with an open bible before us, distinguish and contemplate that religion which it enjoins and exhibits--I mean the religion of christianity, for it also exhibits the religion of Judaism;
but with this, in the mean time,
we christians have nothing directly to do--
we derive our religion immediately from the New Testament. TC
He noted that Baptism is a first act of worship:
"But that this may be the case, the next immediate ordinance of the christian religion, namely,
the reading, I mean the musing upon, or studying the Holy Scriptures;
taking them up in their connexion, and meditating upon the subjects they propose to our consideration, with a fixed contemplation of the various and important objects which they present.
This dutiful and religious use of the bible, (that most precious, sacred record of the wonderful works of God,
The Lord's Supper is another TEACHING remembrance to put US in our place to hold a one-way communication FROM God to true Disciples. I would make certain that I understood the meaning
CHURCH as the school of Christ through the prophets and apostles.
OF is a preposition and shows that Christ is the only Teacher when if you have APT elders they "teach that which has been taught.
CHRIST God made Jesus of Nazareth to be both Lord and Christ. Jesus said that "doctors of the law take away the key to knowledge." Therefore, Christ is the HEAD (the only Thinker) of the BODY which has no earthly head as senior pastor person or Minister of Bad Breath.
So, we should be careful that we haven't switched sides.
The "ministers" or all of the performing singers and sacrificial mediator were called PARASITES so watch that STAFF thingy before you shoot.
the only wrong in worship..is worshipping an IDOL...
The Roman Catholics Church believed they are the true church of Christ...with all the history and popes...
other churches claim they are the true church of Christ
You claim you need to be a member of the Church of Christ...
Question..Which Church of Christ?
registered in Jerusalem?or Registered in Rome? Or Registered in USA...wait USA was not yet established back then...
immediately....after receiving the holy Ghost
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Did they fill up any forms? Did they preached the church...Did it took them many days to be added???
membership...Those that gladly received his word were baptized...
The Roman Catholics Church believed they are the true church of Christ...with all the history and popes...
other churches claim they are the true church of Christ
You claim you need to be a member of the Church of Christ...
Question..Which Church of Christ?
registered in Jerusalem?or Registered in Rome? Or Registered in USA...wait USA was not yet established back then...
immediately....after receiving the holy Ghost
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Did they fill up any forms? Did they preached the church...Did it took them many days to be added???
membership...Those that gladly received his word were baptized...
If you can concentrate/ and understand movies you've watched, despite all of its background music.
For sure you will concentrate more especially if it is worship.
That is why, saying you cannot concentrate in worship because of those background music while you can concentrate if ypu are watching movies. That is hypocrisy.
For sure you will concentrate more especially if it is worship.
That is why, saying you cannot concentrate in worship because of those background music while you can concentrate if ypu are watching movies. That is hypocrisy.
Actually I often buy soundtracks to movies, and play them without the interruption of the plot of the movie. I am a huge fan of Disney Sountracks, and anything by James Horner. So yes, many times background music does attract my attention to where I end up purchasing it.
That also isn't hypocrisy. It is you grasping at straws.
And background music usually isn't the type of music used in worship. On occasion the band may play something softly, but usually when singing praises it isn't "background music". Background music is not conspicuous while worship music stands out to accompany the hymn.
That also isn't hypocrisy. It is you grasping at straws.
And background music usually isn't the type of music used in worship. On occasion the band may play something softly, but usually when singing praises it isn't "background music". Background music is not conspicuous while worship music stands out to accompany the hymn.
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I am watching this sermon now. So far I agree with this minister.
Why Do We Not Use Instrumental Music, Church of Christ Sermon - YouTube
Why Do We Not Use Instrumental Music, Church of Christ Sermon - YouTube
see thats well and god if you dont use music. I honestly couldnt care less how the church i DONT attend worships. The problem is when you have nutjobs like shava walking around talking about how people who use music are sinners and losing their salvation. Its just ridiculous to the point of hilarity and the frequnecy of it completely discredtis the entire CoC.
You know I'm not the only nutjob that thinks that way, why not ask another CoC member if this is true or not. Instrument use in worship is forbidden, which means if you worship that way you have sinned, and with sin you have punishment. Quit putting the blame on me or the CoC for you not obeying the Lord and becoming a Christian, the blame lies with you for not doing what you have been told to do, as I told you the truth on how to become a Christian, but it's up to you to do it.
You know with rules like that you arent far off from the catholic church or of course...a cult. I've never seen a single thou shalt not use instruments in the bible. Nowhere does it say its a sin. If you want to based the argument off of the NT not giving explicit permission to use instruments then fine, but the NT also doesnt give you permission to be a troll on the internet. So I guess either way you're failing at the whole christianity thing too. And besides its people like you Im glad I didn't meet until after I was saved, because otherwise I would have turned and walked away and never given christianity a thought.
You know there are COMMANDMENTS for SINGING ONLY, so why would God need to put oh by the way don't use instruments since he has given you specific commands TO SING. I don't think God will be pleased with you saying it's shava's fault, what a childish thing to say. You're mad at me for telling you the truth that in order to be a Christian you MUST be a member of the Lord's church.
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