What Is Love?

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Angela53510

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One thing not mentioned here is that Greek is a much richer language than English, there are 4 different words for love. (Although one of the words is not used in the Bible.)

i think the main word that is being discussed is agape, or more properly agapeo

The Greek word for the word “love” that is rarely, if ever, used outside of the context of the Greek New Testament Bible. It’s the word Agapeo’, which is the “God kind of love”. Agapeo’ love is an informed, intentional and firmly resolved, supernatural, transforming, holy and violent kind of love that in some cases was actually used to describe the very essence of God Himself. In fact, the Greek New Testament Bible says “God is Agapeo‘”. The actual definition of the word Agapeo’ is this.

Agapeo’: A God kind of Love that always contends for the highest possible good in every situation and keeps contending until it’s a present-tense reality."

"God demonstrates his love for us in this, that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8
 
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crossnote

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Very good point.....I will add...is it a

1. Commandment
2. Fruit of the Spirit
3. Spiritual Gift

I will say all three.....A spiritual gift manifested as spiritual fruit that allows us to keep the commandments of God?
So 'it allows us' to keep the commandments of God but it is not commanded?
Perhaps it is a fruit that God commands and what God commands bears fruit?
 
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So 'it allows us' to keep the commandments of God but it is not commanded?
Perhaps it is a fruit that God commands and what God commands bears fruit?
I didn't write this to try and make things overly complicated. :D

I wrote it, because I think much of the church in the west doesn't see correction or rebuke as a part of love. People emphasize God's grace/love to the point that they can literally be in the midst of adultery while claiming " I am the righteousness of Christ."

they do not see any contradiction and there is no love for God that prompts obedience.

I think a lot of this comes about, because people don't see all facets of God in his love and holiness.
 
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To find out what love is, one should not start by dissecting the word "love", and in that find comparisons with distinct (Greek, Latin, or English) names. Rather, study Biblical examples to find out what emotions, motivations, thoughts, words, and actions are loving, and on which of these aspects the Bible places the emphasis. Actions and words carry more weight than emotions. Not that emotions aren't great! ...when they are positive, that is, and actions speak louder than words.

[SUP]1Samuel 1522 [/SUP]And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. [SUP]23 [/SUP]For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

[h=3]Matthew 9[SUP]12 [/SUP]But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.[/h]Who are the sinners? Who is righteous?
[h=3]Romans 3:10-12[/h]English Standard Version (ESV)


[SUP]10 [/SUP]as it is written:
“None is righteous, no, not one;
[SUP]11 [/SUP] no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”
 
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Jda016

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#45
To find out what love is, one should not start by dissecting the word "love", and in that find comparisons with distinct (Greek, Latin, or English) names. Rather, study Biblical examples to find out what emotions, motivations, thoughts, words, and actions are loving, and on which of these aspects the Bible places the emphasis. Actions and words carry more weight than emotions. Not that emotions aren't great! ...when they are positive, that is, and actions speak louder than words.

[SUP]1Samuel 1522 [/SUP]And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. [SUP]23 [/SUP]For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Matthew 9[SUP]12 [/SUP]But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Who are the sinners? Who is righteous?
Romans 3:10-12

English Standard Version (ESV)


[SUP]10 [/SUP]as it is written:
“None is righteous, no, not one;
[SUP]11 [/SUP] no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”
exactly. I think someone may have mentioned this earlier, but it is like the woman caught in adultery whom Jesus saved and forgave, but also told her to go and "sin no more."

Savior AND Lord all in one.
 
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So 'it allows us' to keep the commandments of God but it is not commanded?
Perhaps it is a fruit that God commands and what God commands bears fruit?
The English language uses the word law when it might better be translated instructions. Often people compare God's law with secular law, something you better obey or you go to jail. Secular law was never designed to show love, God's law was designed around love. They aren't given in the spirit of something to do if you don't want to go to jail, but something to do to live a life of love.

Some things are so important for living in love that disobedience results in death, for sin is death.

Scripture doesn't give exclusive commands, it talks of the fruit of the spirit, it talks of bearing fruit when we obey. When scripture tells us something it usually isn't for us to choose one instruction as a cancellation of another. They fit together.
 

Dan58

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"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." (John 15:13)

The question is; Would any of us lay down our lives for Christ?
 
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Jda016

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"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." (John 15:13)

The question is; Would any of us lay down our lives for Christ?
it is a great question and one not easily answered until we are tested. I would say, "yes" in a heartbeat that I would give my life for Christ, but would I? I think of what Jesus said of the disciples, "The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak."

I do think there is a type of special grace though that helps martyrs endure. Though I have not been in that type of situation, I do know that when life has gotten extremely hard, I have felt a special grace or peace that enabled me to handle things that normally would have sent me off the edge.

I think there is also an importance in giving our lives everyday to Christ by, "dieing daily" or crucifying the flesh. When we are willing to give up the things we love to do, in order to take time for God and other people, then we show a sacrificial life which gives evidence to the idea that we would gladly lay down our lives.

if a person boasts that they would die for Christ, but live extremely selfishly, then I would doubt their willingness to lay down their life if the time came.
 

imnotur

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Just goes to show one how truly USELESS the religous leaders and church buildings are at this time. Love is not a what: Love is a who and Christ is not him; though truly a part of him.

Love has many traits, but i know the trait that is the strongest of all and that is his fairness. He cannot stand un-fairness and He truly hates it to the point that if it is not corrected, He will utterly destroy it.

True, pure, un-pretentious love is (GOD) Getting Over Death in and through His Christ.

If anyone believes in dying, then they obviously don't know Our Father.

Praise be to Yahaveh
Judah be to Yahaveh's Saviour
 

john832

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What Is love? Good music track By Haddaway. Lol. Love is having Christ in your heart. Without Christ in your heart, True Love will never be seen.
Ya gotta get the head shake going with that.
 
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What is Love?

People seem to have a vastly different idea of what love is compared to the Biblical version of love.


We use the word so often that it even loses it's meaning. In fact half the time I don't think people even know what love really is.


The purest and most perfect love is God's love. This is a sacrificial love, as we see Jesus laying down His life for us and even he testifies, "there is no greater love than that you lay down your life for your brother" (John 15:13). This essentially says, I give preference to another before I give it to myself. This love takes on the role of a servant as we see Jesus washing the feet of his disciples.


However, our definition of love seems to stop there, but it is intrinsically important that it does NOT stop there.


Love also speaks the truth, corrects, and warns. You can have a deeply unselfish love for your child, but that doesn't mean you don't warn them and tell them not to play in the street, even if the child wants to. We see that love sets boundaries and commands, for if these boundaries or commands are not followed then bad things will happen. This is why we must follow Christ's commands, because they are not set to harm or hinder us, but they are set out of love for us.


For instance, when we follow the command to not have sex outside of marriage, we know that God is telling us this for our protection, not because he is trying to hinder our "fun." A person may not be aware of all the dangers that breaking a command entails, (and the spiritual death that can follow) but that is where trust comes in. Just as the child trusts the parents not to play in the street, even if they don't know about the danger of passing cars, so we trust in all of God's commandments even if we don't always understand them.




We have gone astray when we think that God's love means that we can do as we please. I fear many Christians have adopted this attitude of "love allows me to do whatever I want." However, this is not Biblical love at all.


Biblical love also "chastens" or rebukes. ( "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent" Revelation 3:19) This is REALLY where people's definition of love diverges. Anytime correction is brought about many people cry "foul play" and "how dare you judge me."


When we cry "how dare you judge me or correct me" we are generally doing this out of a fleshy motive. Our pride is hurt, or our self-righteousness is insulted. A servant would never cry out like this to his master. A servant would receive correction. Many may object and say, " I will gladly receive correction from The Lord, but another Christian is not my master and has no right to correct me." This is not entirely true. If a Christian brings a rebuke to you BASED on the Word of God, then you are dealing with a rebuke from God's word and not the word of the Christian.


For instance, If you are engaged in course joking and sexually perverted talk and a Christian brings to you the Scriptures that say you are wrong ("Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving." Eph 5:4) then you are hearing a rebuke directly from God.


This is SUCH an important part of love. We are to rebuke the fellow Christian in sin. Do it kindly and show them the scriptures, but do not think that "loving someone" means "live and let live." We are commanded to rebuke (judge) fellow Christians in sin (1 Corinthians 5:11-13). The Bible even commands us to rebuke elders in sin on the basis of several witnesses (1 Timothy 5:19).


Hebrews 12:6 "For the LORD disciplines those he loves, and he punishes each one he accepts as his child."


We say, but "God is love! He would never punish us!" However when we hear that child screaming in the restaurant we earnestly desire the parent to punish/correct/spank the child in order to get the bad behavior to stop. We do not object to parents punishing their kids, in fact some of the worse kids we see are those who are spoiled and are never punished.


This is the same with God. How do we grow and change into Christ-likeness if we are not willing to receive the correction/punishment that God sometimes brings? "Blessed is the one you discipline, LORD, the one you teach from your law;" (Psalm 94:12). When we realize that God's punishment/rebukes are for our GAIN and not for our hurt, then we come to embrace them, even from our fellow Christians.


If you are working out in the gym and someone comes and corrects your bad form, you thank them, because bad form can cause injury. The only reason to get mad at this correction is if your pride is wounded. This applies to Biblical correction as well. Remember, this correction is a part of God's love.


I have more I might add, but I don't want the post to get too long.


Any insights or correction? :)
Real definition is God..
"He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love." - 1 John 4:8 KJV1
1 Corinthians 13 KJV is the real answer,its not easy....but attained by Grace of God:)
 

imnotur

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Real definition is God..
"He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love." - 1 John 4:8 KJV1
1 Corinthians 13 KJV is the real answer,its not easy....but attained by Grace of God:)
Actually it is not hard, it is very easy, as soon as one stops listening to mankind.
 

p_rehbein

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"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." (John 15:13)

The question is; Would any of us lay down our lives for Christ?
.........didn't Jesus ask Peter this very question?.........I believe it was Peter.........then admonished him that he would deny Jesus three times.............
 
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Love is a gift of God. Love is what God shows of who he is. Without it? we would be heartless humans. God's Love conquers all. Why? because God can do anything. and through him, we cannot succeed. Love is God, God is Love.
 

Dan58

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it is a great question and one not easily answered until we are tested. I would say, "yes" in a heartbeat that I would give my life for Christ, but would I? I think of what Jesus said of the disciples, "The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak."

if a person boasts that they would die for Christ, but live extremely selfishly, then I would doubt their willingness to lay down their life if the time came.
.........didn't Jesus ask Peter this very question?.........I believe it was Peter.........then admonished him that he would deny Jesus three times.............
Yes, a tough question, but in the days of tribulation, Christians may be delivered up before the anti-Christ and face that dilemma? Accept the anti-Christ and deny the real Christ or die.

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WHEN YOU ARE IN DEEP TROUBLE, LOOK STRAIGHT AHEAD, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT, & SAY NOTHING
 

Angela53510

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I didn't write this to try and make things overly complicated. :D

I wrote it, because I think much of the church in the west doesn't see correction or rebuke as a part of love. People emphasize God's grace/love to the point that they can literally be in the midst of adultery while claiming " I am the righteousness of Christ."

they do not see any contradiction and there is no love for God that prompts obedience.

I think a lot of this comes about, because people don't see all facets of God in his love and holiness.
I think you are talking about the character of God. God is both holy and righteous, and part of his love is his holiness.

We should always be imitating Christ, who showed us how to love the sick, the poor and the stranger, but yet, showed no mercy with the Pharisees who shamed his Father's house. We need to stand against sin in our own lives, yet cultivate the fruit of love by walking with the Holy Spirit.

The word "love" is very important when we look at God's character, because God is love.

"God is love" 1 John 4:8,16
 
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I absolutely agree! Here in America we have SO many people claiming to be Christians that are not saved at all. They think they can trample the Grace of God underfoot and still find salvation.

However, because these people are so prevalent, they would try to lead astray the true Christian, by simply saying "God is love" and "you don't have to obey him."
As one of those whom you are saying isn't a 'true' Christian, I must disagree. I must consider myself an Universalist - or it doesn't make any sense, that I can see, to believe in God at all.

If all there is is 'true' Christians, 'mainstream' Christians, then everyone else - and God only cares about the 'true' christian and the rest are worse than rubbish to him, then that isn't God, in my opinion.

A loving parent loves their child, always, especially when the child is in rebellion against them. A loving parent also chastens their child, but not without mercy - beating your child so that they will obey is entirely shameful and abusive. I don't believe God punishes for lack of knowing what else to do. Love says "you can do what you want - but remember me in all you do" not "you can't do what you want - and if you disobey I'll disown you"

Maybe I have the message from those who call themselves True Christians wrong. But as a member of mainstream Christianity, that's my 2 cents.
 
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It was a man who said it, but I think a very wise man. He said love is something you can't have unless you give it away.
 
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As one of those whom you are saying isn't a 'true' Christian, I must disagree. I must consider myself an Universalist - or it doesn't make any sense, that I can see, to believe in God at all.

If all there is is 'true' Christians, 'mainstream' Christians, then everyone else - and God only cares about the 'true' christian and the rest are worse than rubbish to him, then that isn't God, in my opinion.

A loving parent loves their child, always, especially when the child is in rebellion against them. A loving parent also chastens their child, but not without mercy - beating your child so that they will obey is entirely shameful and abusive. I don't believe God punishes for lack of knowing what else to do. Love says "you can do what you want - but remember me in all you do" not "you can't do what you want - and if you disobey I'll disown you"

Maybe I have the message from those who call themselves True Christians wrong. But as a member of mainstream Christianity, that's my 2 cents.
Hi!

I saw in your other post that you said you go between Athiesm, agnosticism, universalism, and here you say Christian. You also said in your other post that God makes no sense to you.

so I am confused about what you believe.

God's love is amazing and powerful, but it also must be reconciled with his Holiness. He is the judge of the world and he very clearly says sin will be punished.